Spudlogic

The first is that Brexit demands closed thinking. The campaign was built on a lie that Brexit would save the UK money and release funds for the NHS. No one now pretends that is true. But the consequence is that those promoting Brexit now have, perforce, to close their ears to rational debate because they are all too well aware that what they are now doing is both irrational and harmful. It is in fact pure fantasy.

There is a time and place for fantasy; the hard politics of international relations is not one of them and yet most of the current narratives the UK is pursuing fit this description.

The UK leaving the EU is a disaster

So there are at least three lies. It would be easy to note more: that Scotland has no chance of making it alone is another tht is regularly repeated to sustain a Unionist myth.

Scotland leaving the EU and the UK would be just fine.

Discuss.

12 comments on “Spudlogic

  1. He just cannot accept that voters decided anything. Like it or not we are now stuck with the decision of the voters.
    Unless some party stands up for going back into the EU and gets elected in the 2020 general election….

  2. I don’t recall anyone saying that Scotland couldn’t “make it” as an independent nation. The debate I’ve been listening to is as to what, Inn Scotland’s case, “making it” means. Would Scotland become more like Norway or more like Albania? More Like Denmark or more like Venezuela?

  3. There is a time and place for fantasy

    Yup, any time at all at the Arran Victory Blog.

  4. I think Scotland would be more like Venezuela than Denmark although hopefully without the violence – on the plus side they will solve the obesity problem.

  5. Now that we don’t need to worry about the French invading from Scotland, just cut ’em loose.

    There was a good reason for the Romans deciding to call it a day and build Hadrian’s Wall.

    As for the EU, how could we not save money realeasing ourselves from that bunch of berks?

  6. Gareth Too said:
    “Now that we don’t need to worry about the French invading from Scotland …”

    Don’t we?

  7. An independent Scotland would be first a bit like Argentina (stridently nationalist, and a queasy mix of elitist ‘populism’ and ‘socialism’) – it wouldn’t be as grim as Venezuela because even the SNP isn’t that crazy.

    Eventually some Scots would work out that that losing 90% of every university graduating class on the first train south wasn’t that clever, There would then be a slow, painful turn towards a better climate for enterprise, and in say 30-40 years Scotland would be a small moderately prosperous Northern European country – perhaps like Norway, but without a sovereign wealth fund.

  8. “An independent Scotland would be first a bit like Argentina (stridently nationalist, and a queasy mix of elitist ‘populism’ and ‘socialism’) – it wouldn’t be as grim as Venezuela because even the SNP isn’t that crazy.”

    This analogy I like.

    “Eventually some Scots would work out that that losing 90% of every university graduating class on the first train south wasn’t that clever, There would then be a slow, painful turn towards a better climate for enterprise, and in say 30-40 years Scotland would be a small moderately prosperous Northern European country – perhaps like Norway, but without a sovereign wealth fund.”

    This, on the other hand, I think is improbable- they’d be more likely to try to do a US-style money grab on “Scots Abroad” by making them pay their “fair share” in return for their education.

  9. “Eventually some Scots would work out that that losing 90% of every university graduating class on the first train south wasn’t that clever, There would then be a slow, painful turn towards a better climate for enterprise, and in say 30-40 years Scotland would be a small moderately prosperous Northern European country – perhaps like Norway, but without a sovereign wealth fund.”

    Judging by the example of the UK, it would take 30-40 years to get the vote to radically change the economic policy (ie from 1945 to 1979), and it would take another 20+ years to repair the damage done. With the very great danger that at any point in the first 10 years of reconstruction a recession could result in slipping back into the old voting patterns and undo all the good work. Had Mrs T lost the 1983 election, we might well not have made it out ourselves.

  10. And the result of a grab of ‘fair share’ of taxes is that some who would be chased for such then become citizens of other countries. Giving up US nationality.

  11. Scotland had to stay in the UK because they were too wee too weak too stupid to go it alone. The UK had to stay in the EU because we’re too wee too weak too stupid to go it alone. Odd how they don’t see they’re using the same argument.

  12. jgh: The “too wee, too poor, too stupid” line was actually first used by the SNP’s John Swinney. Nats have been claiming it is a Unionist insult ever since.

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