So Gary Younge’s back in The Guardian then

The reasons for knife crime are complex, but it’s wrong to ignore the impact of cuts to youth funding

Given Polly’s age about time someone polishes up the Heinz Kiosk impression to keep the meme rolling.

53 comments on “So Gary Younge’s back in The Guardian then

  1. “but it’s wrong to ignore the impact of cuts to youth funding”

    Give us free money or we’ll stab yer.

  2. Yes. I was under the impression knife crime was connected with youth funding. Certainly appeared so to my neighbour, back in London. When she was stabbed during a botched robbery. Not for very long, of course. She bled out on her front doorstep at 8 in the morning, as people hurried by on their way to work.

  3. Scum want something and will use violence to get it.

    If the scum is sometimes well-spoken they call it government.

  4. Pretty sure knife crime in other parts of the UK that are hopeless, poor and boring is much less than London.

    So it’s not finding. In fact London, being a global city has far greater amenities and opportunities than anywhere else in the country.

    I am not buying it Gary.

    Like all things related to youth behaviour it’s to do with what’s perceived as cool and social confirmation of that. Not youth funding. I grew up in the countryside, we had bugger all council funding for youth clubs, didn’t stab anyone.

  5. I guess it’s not wrong to ignore the impact of calling a halt to stop & search due to demands from the likes of Gary that it’s ‘racist’..?

    Screw ’em. Let ’em stab each other.

  6. “wrong to ignore the impact of cuts to youth…”

    Blood?

    “…funding”

    Oh, begging bowls being rattled.

  7. Did they really link “knife crime” and “cuts”?

    But I thought it was mostly stabbing rather than slashing; different action.

  8. I was told an interesting (and second-hand so feel free to question the reliability) story from a Met officer. There is a pound where the Met stores the wrecks from serious accident investigations. Over the last couple of years there have been an increasing number of vehicles turning up riddled with bullet holes from automatic weapons – in fact the last one or two turned up with lots of holes and large quantity of blood all over the insides. The Met has been very successful so far in keeping this quiet.

  9. You know how it is. You’re on track to get A*’s and go to Oxbridge to study rocket surgery and advanced reading, but then one day you find out the heartless tory bastards have removed funding from your local carbon-neutral LGBTQ-inclusive yoof breakdancing initiative.

    “Nooooooooooo!”, you cry. “Damn you, Brexit! You cut my dreams. Now I’ll cut… Raheem!”

  10. “The reasons for knife crime are complex”

    Unlike their American peers, UK youths find it hard to obtain guns. Otherwise they would should each other just like the Americans do.

  11. synp is right. The reason for the rise in knife crime is restrictions on gun ownership. QED

    Had special education teacher (sic), Karen Smith, had a gun, she’d likely still be alive. Had she been able to have a gun but didn’t actually have one, Cedric Anderson probably would not have walked into the school.

    The U.S. spent $3.9 trillion last year. Some austerity.

    BTW, 55% of homicides by firearms discharge in the U.S. are committed by black males, 6.5% of the population. The Left’s solution is to restrict white gun ownership. It’s for the children.

    Picture of Cedric Anderson and Karen Smith:

    https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/cedruc012917.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=300

  12. “The reasons for knife crime are complex”

    Toe rag wants something (respect, your i phone, your girlfriend) he feels (incorrectly) entitled to. So pulls out a knife.

    Only in the Guardian could this be described as “complex”.

  13. I see the Guardian is compiling a listing of knife crime so they can debunk the “myths” surrounding it, there is no myth, per capita black kids are top of the league, but they will find a way as will “Gary” to dispel that fact.
    They are defending the crime in the same way as they distort the rape figures committed by muslim gangs by using the same criteria.

  14. Not least thanks to digital media, there has never been a time when it’s been harder to be bored, isolated or alienated.
    Never has it been easier to find and interact with people with whom you share interests or problems however niche.
    Never has there been so much entertainment so readily and cheaply available.
    Never has there been so much information available about potential pastimes you would never even have heard about a couple of decades ago.
    And most of the pastimes available pre-digital are still available and often more so as any equipment necessary has probably become comparatively cheaper and easier to obtain.

    If boredom and lack of facilities had been a sufficient cause of violent youth knife crime in the 1970s and earlier there would have been bloody corpses piled high in every hamlet in the country every Sunday afternoon.

  15. Yes, if we returned the boy scouts to their origins all would be well. With every boy scout carrying a five inch sheath knife stabbings would be at 1950s levels.
    I assume that is the sort of youth organisation the author wants funding.

  16. I haven’t clicked through, of course.

    But I bet there’ll be something about “issues around” self esteem.

    These shit need less, not more, self esteem.

  17. The only bastard who has tried to stab me was white and, probably, high. But then all the blacks near us back then were either students or doctors.

  18. I’ve been stabbed twice. Both times were in areas that had youth funding, youth centres etc.
    So I don’t accept that a rise in knife crime was caused by what they say. There may be a link, perhaps they are both results of something.
    Round here there was a youth club opened soon after we moved into the area, the locals campaigned to close it down as they didn’t want gangs of youths hanging around outside it.
    Later after it shut the common complaint at neighbourhood meetings was the gangs of youths hanging around street corners….
    From the same people that had complained previous.

  19. With tickets to Wigmore Hall concerts starting at 15quid a pop, it’s no wonder that there’s somch crime about.

    How the kids gonna get access to decent string quartets without gummint funding ?

  20. ‘Every day in America, on average, seven children and teens are shot dead.’

    In 2014, the last year for which I have data, there were 225 children 14 YO or younger ‘shot dead.’

    Less than one a day. So Mr. Younge uses the old combining groups trick to create a false impression. Being a world class journalist, published in the Guardian, one would think he would know. Therefore, he was lying. Intentionally. A lesser paper would fire him.

    If accuracy were important, he would say ‘gang members’ instead ‘teens.’ But that won’t help sell his agenda.

  21. “The reasons for knife crime are complex”

    They really aren’t. Knife crime is mostly about gangs, and gangs exist to protect drug turf, which are about gang members making money. It’s not about hip-hop or respect. Parenting? Well, in a sense of making sure kids are educated so that they seek out better opportunities, I guess.

    But if you legalised weed, coke and E, and handed out drugs like heroin on prescription, you would get rid of 99% of knife crime overnight. Around the world, that’s what nearly all gang activity is about – who controls the distribution of narcotics. It’s what accounts for nearly all of the gun crime in the USA. Crimes like armed robbery and muggings are on the wane. The incentives for both have been eradicated by technology. The yields from armed robbery suggest that the only people doing it are people with learning difficulties.

    And I doubt there’s any evidence that “youth work” works any better than just handing out cash to poor inner city kids.

  22. “But if you legalised weed, coke and E, and handed out drugs”

    No need to hand it out. If you get government out of it, drugs would be as cheap as okra.

  23. BiW

    I agree wholly with the legalisation of drugs bit. But not necessarily just for the reason you suggest.

    What I don’t understand (or can’t predict) is what happens next?

    These gangs – that have grown up knowing little else, including all of the violence – have now lost all of their revenue, any apparent local status or position within their hierarchies, and any need to fight for all of that.

    What happens next? Do they all decide to take up knitting or re-identify as boy scouts or girl guides?

    I don’t know the answer, but I guess I’m simply questioning the statement “you would get rid of 99% of knife crime overnight”?

  24. Run the argument the other way back. We should keep drugs illegal to retain knife wielding thugs in gainful employment?

  25. will be interesting to see how legalising pot works out in Canada, govt have chucked the distribution/licensing over the fence to the provinces at the moment. Parts of BC already have licensing in place at a municipal level for ‘dispensaries’ but I wouldn’t be surprised if the provincial government ignores what already works and come out with some highly convoluted impractical scheme.

  26. PF

    “Overnight” and “99%” are probably exaggerations, but BiW’s essential point still stands. If drugs were legalised, the knife-wielders would probably try other types of less lucrative petty crime, turn on each other or end up in prison. However, the flow of new recruits to the drug gangs would probably dry up fairly quickly.

    Incidentally, the only way those in favour of drug legalisation could ever circumvent The Mail and The Sun is to argue for a trial period of legalisation of, say, three years. IIRC, the pinkos used the same tactic in their opposition to the death penalty – and that worked, for them at least.

  27. Most knife-crime is committed by blacks. As in the US — where billions of $ have failed to improve black educational performance – most blacks in the UK have very low IQs, as they do in Africa. The single-parent, afro-Caribbean ‘family structure’, where a woman has several children but by different fathers, produces inadequately socialised males who are prone to violence and crime. And the much higher incidence in blacks of a genetic mutation that predisposes to extreme violence doesn’t help: indeed, the afro family structure possibly triggers the expression of the mutation.

    Incidentally, I once employed a black woman as a cleaner in a business I was managing. She had good references, and was a church-goer, though she was prone to whinge. After some months, she begged me to give a cleaning job to her teenage son. I agreed to a trial of a fortnight, after interviewing him. He didn’t last 14 days: his time-keeping was very poor, and staff caught him stealing goods on day 5.

  28. “The reasons for knife crime are complex”

    Knife crime is disproportionately carried out by the vibrant quarter, so Gary discovers the reasons are ‘complex’.

  29. “Knife crime is disproportionately carried out by the vibrant quarter, so Gary discovers the reasons are ‘complex’.”

    Quite. I suspect that were it most prevalent in the least-diverse quarter, it would be very simple to Our Gary…

  30. Tim

    Run the argument the other way back. We should keep drugs illegal to retain knife wielding thugs in gainful employment?

    No, of course not, I’m not making the argument, I said I agree with BiW!

    I’m just genuinely curious as to what any second order effects might be?

    Theo

    New recruits – fair point. Re timing for that, I was thinking to myself “next generation”, but it probably would be quicker than that.

    Though, as perhaps you allude to in your following post, they may not be new recruits to drugs, but new recruits for what. These very talented young men are not going anywhere.

    Of course, in the past, we simply sent our more aggressive ones off to earn bravery medals and the like.

    Prison / petty crime / etc. Yes, that’s what I am trying to understand. And of course we still have a major problem with prisons and the RoP?

  31. BiW

    Reminds me of one of the great scenes from The Wire

    Levy: You are amoral, are you not? You are feeding off the violence and the despair of the drug trade. You are stealing from those who themselves are stealing the lifeblood from our city. You are a parasite who leaches off the culture of drugs …

    Omar (interrupting): Just like you, man.

    Levy: Excuse me?

    Omar: I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase. It’s all in the game though, right?

    Forget the question of “What do we do with all the drug dealers if we legalise drugs?” instead, what do we do with all the lawyers, the judges, the probation officers, the prison guards, the police officers, the sociologists? Are there yet enough crimes being committed on Twitter to keep them all gainfully employed?

    Remember, at the heart of any do-gooding organisation not staffed entirely by volunteers, there lies a moral hazard; the people who have the most to gain from the problem are the ones entrusted with stopping it.

  32. And the much higher incidence in blacks of a genetic mutation that predisposes to extreme violence doesn’t help: indeed, the afro family structure possibly triggers the expression of the mutation.

    It’s been over an hour, and no-one has called you an evil racist yet. The usual suspects must be out enjoying the sun.

    Anyway, a mutation will only persist where:

    * it offers an advantage or
    * it is uncommon and recessive or
    * it is associated with a gene complex that offers an overall advantage or
    * any disadvantage is limited until after prime breeding age.

    Modern drug gang warfare hasn’t been around long enough for any significant evolutionary effect, even given the mayfly-esque nature of the generational cycles in some of the afflicted sub-cultures.

    Given the violent nature of our closest genetic relatives, are we really sure it is a mutation rather than the natural state of humanity?

    The evolution of complex civilisations, which happened in the diaspora not in Africa (subsequent memetic importation did create several significant native African civilisations – Ethiopia and Zimbabwe, Egypt and Carthage probably don’t count) would have tended to make uncontrolled violence counter-productive to future progeny by means of execution (unless you made it to Boss / King / Emperor, or henchthug thereto.)

  33. ” And the much higher incidence in blacks of a genetic mutation that predisposes to extreme violence doesn’t help: indeed, the afro family structure possibly triggers the expression of the mutation.”

    Predisposition to extreme violene is an evolutionary adaption to Africal culture. European people have a low level of this genetic variant because it hasn’t been an advatage in European civilisation for a very long time, and has been selected against

    Another good reason not to import morons from the 3rd world.

    Look: we don’t have a lot of time to stop the fall of Europe due to demographics. We need gunships in the Med right now and a complete stop to immigration. Then we need deportations, particularly of Muslims. We don’t have a lot of time. But the biggest threat is yet to come- the demographic bulge of Africa. The Middle East will pale into insignificance in comparison.

  34. SE
    Some 95% of blacks don’t have the mutation of the MAOA gene that predisposes to violence, and just 5% do have the gene – but this is about10x-20x the incidence in English whites or northern Europeans generally. In their natural habitat, most blacks still live in communities engaged in subsistence agriculture and tribal warfare, where a propensity to violence would have certain evolutionary advantages. Given the unstable nature of afro family life, the presence of “warrior genes”, and the low average IQ scores of black populations throughout the world, it is hardly surprising that blacks are prone to anti-social behaviour, crime and violence or that they rapidly sink to the bottom of any society they join.

  35. “…we don’t have a lot of time to stop the fall of Europe due to demographics. We need gunships in the Med right now and a complete stop to immigration. Then we need deportations, particularly of Muslims. We don’t have a lot of time. But the biggest threat is yet to come- the demographic bulge of Africa. The Middle East will pale into insignificance in comparison.”

    Exactly.

  36. It would be great if someone relatively respected and with decent reach like Tim Worstall would make this point on Forbes, ASI, Guardian or somewhere similar.

    It is blatantly obvious what is going to happen when you take a look at the numbers, but nobody with a voice cares to look. Wonder why?

  37. We all know that black* people are more stupid and more violent than white people**. There well may be solutions to this that are complicated, but the simple ones will do.

    *fuck off, we all know what I mean here
    **see above fuckhead

  38. Tomsmith: It’s the same as seeing the usual suspects, who you might think would have a more independent view, supporting the ‘consensus’ on climate change – it would do their reputations a lot of damage to go against that, even with good scientific arguments. And kudos to those who do buck the trend.
    Similarly commentators coming up with the points discussed here in more mainstream fora would then suffer the same sort of character assassination and subsequent marginalisation. Some might relish the challenge but it’s not for everyone.

  39. Tomsmith: Because the scum of the left have set it up beautifully.

    50 years of ever-growing “Waycism.waycism, WAYCISM= the WORST thing in the Universe of all time” have left us with an emotional head of steam that blocks all hope.

    What to do? Write to Dress-Up? She –or her stooges–would bin it if they didn’t pass it on to the Anti-waycist squad for action.

  40. “Remember, at the heart of any do-gooding organisation not staffed entirely by volunteers, there lies a moral hazard; the people who have the most to gain from the problem are the ones entrusted with stopping it.”

    And even volunteers can be corrupted by status, media attention, power, etc.

  41. @Bloke in Wiltshire, April 15, 2017 at 3:12 pm

    “The reasons for knife crime are complex”

    And I doubt there’s any evidence that “youth work” works any better than just handing out cash to poor inner city kids.

    I trust you’re not proposing we restart Camila Batmanloony’s “charity”?

    btw: is she in jail yet?

  42. Ecksy
    You’re right; but the left-liberals also have a societal death-wish, having persuaded themselves that the West is uniquely evil. It is surely unique historically for so many educated and prosperous people to will, directly or indirectly, the destruction of the societies and the civilisation that have nurtured them.

  43. Ecks, the time is now here to do something. Don’t bemoan your choices, just do it. Otherwise the time will be gone.

    The likelihood of someone with something to lose writing anything focusing on the demographic problem where anyone will notice is next to zero, and I understand the reasons for that.

    So what needs to happen is for people with less to lose to do things that are large enough to get noticed. I don’t mean violence, more like stunts to draw attention because most people are just not noticing, so tramlined is their thinking.

    Paul Weston made some good media impact a while back by being arrested for quoting Churchill on muslims. That was well planned and executed. Following that he appeared with Andrew Neil and got some press exposure, which has been helpful because he is a persuasive speaker and not an idiot.

    The other thing we can do is to vote for genuinely game changing political parties, i.e. not UKIP or whatever else is manufactured to pacify and divert. Just vote extreme 100% of the time, doesn’t really matter what until we are presented with a genuine choice we can win like Brexit. The aim is to drain votes from anyone acceptable to the establishment (i.e. anyone who will deal with the establishment)

  44. @Gamecock
    “So Mr. Younge uses the old combining groups trick to create a false impression.”

    So true. As in;

    ‘1 in 4 female students say they have been raped or looked at in a funny way that made them feel slightly uncomfortable’
    (made up as an example but only slightly exaggerated).

  45. “magnusw

    Reminds me of one of the great scenes from The Wire….”

    At times, I couldn’t follow what those fine young ghetto chaps were saying to each other. I seriously needed subtitles. There’d be a scene with two of them talking and I couldn’t work out if they were threatening each other or chatting each other up. Usually, though, one of them would produce a gun and shoot the other. Which, when I think about it, wasn’t really conclusive of anything as it happened so often.

  46. Well, the only solution I can think of is to make Diane Abbot head of a combined Ministry of Justice, Police service, Home office and local Government department.

    Then full integration will take place and we’ll all live happily together

  47. Sorry, guys, I’m not buying the genetic deficiency schtick. Western blacks have been fed crap by the Left for 50 years. That environment fully explains their behavior without genetics.

  48. PF,

    “These gangs – that have grown up knowing little else, including all of the violence – have now lost all of their revenue, any apparent local status or position within their hierarchies, and any need to fight for all of that.

    What happens next? Do they all decide to take up knitting or re-identify as boy scouts or girl guides?

    I don’t know the answer, but I guess I’m simply questioning the statement “you would get rid of 99% of knife crime overnight”?”

    Just had a think about this, and maybe it wouldn’t disappear exactly overnight. I think one thing would be that people already doing it would try and find another outlet for their skills. They might go into looting and robbing shops for a while until they realise how terrible that is for earnings.

    But the next group won’t follow. There won’t be gangs, and the earnings will be bad.

    It’s like journalism. In a few years, maybe a decade, those university degree courses will start emptying. They’re only full now because of kids who see journalism as a good career, because it once was.

  49. One thought I had, perhaps implicit from my last post, would be that – given the particular tatents that Theo and others have alluded to above – is there a greater chance of such skills being used against us rather than against themselves.

    Ie, instead of sometimes knifing and shooting each other (currently), might (for example) the RoP take advantage of an increasing lack of aim and structure in their lives. And we know that there are such procedures already in place (eg within the prison system).

    Following which, perhaps some in fact become “slightly more” of a nuisance to us..

    I guess I’m curious – within groups such as this – to what extent “deciding to study to be a STEM graduate” (or similar) might compete with possible alternative career paths, and particularly when under duress.

    Just one of various random thoughts on this Easter Monday..:)

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