I wonder, I wonder

I seriously doubt it’s going to happen but what if Melenchon and Le Pen are the two that make it to the second round?

Would be rather cat among the pigeons, wouldn’t it?

“Never forget the French are a people who cut off heads. We did this. Literally,”

12 comments on “I wonder, I wonder

  1. Either one of those becoming President would give the EU a lot more of a headache than where to site a couple of bureaucracies.

  2. The France is done and so is the EU.
    Happy about the second bit.
    He’s crazier than Le Pen by a mile.

  3. Seven-to-one odds on a Le Pen / Mélenchon final. It’s not out of the question. Support for Macron is begrudging: he’s the Hillary of France. Support for Mélenchon is more authentic: he’s the Bernie Sanders of France. There are still a lot of undecided voters out there.

  4. I am still hoping the French will break 2000 years of history and appoint a woman as head of State.

    The polls suggest otherwise but they have been wrong before

  5. After 30 years of always voting for massive losers, things changed last year. When a vote is decided by <2% either way it's quite a rush feeling that you might have mattered. I hope that the French who are bothered are getting this rush too.
    It's also sweet to see people you don't care for turding themselves at the possibilities.

  6. Andrew M

    Seven-to-one odds on a Le Pen / Mélenchon final. It’s not out of the question. Support for Macron is begrudging: he’s the Hillary of France.

    Re Macron, I found this interesting.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/emmanuel-macron-frances-ed-miliband-not-justin-trudeau/

    I am an elected municipal councillor and talk to scores, if not hundreds, of French voters from every social class and way of life. I hear plenty of support for Le Pen, including from many young people and women who are concerned about security; much more support than I would have expected for Fillon, and lots of admiration for Mélenchon. Of Macron, oddly, I hear barely a word. I detect no enthusiasm for him whatsoever.

  7. “He wants to renegotiate EU treaties and quit Nato, the World Trade Organisation, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, ”

    Doesn’t President Trump want to renegotiate treaties, alter the relationship with NATO and give the finger to globalist organisations too? And yet apparently one is good, the other very, very bad.

  8. I still think the French system, like the Dutch system, will facilitate the election of someone acceptable to the establishment. Then they’ll ignore the fact that millions of people voted for the other candidate, as with Geert Wilders.

    There aren’t that many similarities between Brexit and foreign politics, but the ones that do exist mostly lie in the attitudes of those that oppose these sorts of movements. The belief that you can go on ignoring a gathering storm without moderating your opinions at all will never end well.

  9. @PF: “Of Macron, oddly, I hear barely a word. I detect no enthusiasm for him whatsoever”

    Not that surprising. Political parties rely on having either the charismatic leaders that attract some voters while possibly repelling others (Thatcher, Blair, Trump, Le Pen), or they go with a safe pair of hands likely to garner a lot of (sometimes half-hearted) support from a broad range of factions within their party/grouping and win support almost by default (Major, Cameron, Merkel).

    Fillon and Macron fall into the latter category while Le Pen and Melenchon are in the former.

  10. The trouble is that Le Pen and Melenchon, despite being labelled right wing and left wing respectively, seem to espouse identical policies. That no commentator is able to see this just goes to show what idiots work in the media. So the protest vote will split between them and neither will get through the first round.

  11. The real political divide these days is not between socialism and capitalism, but between globalism and nationalism. There’s no point worrying about whether your government is ‘left wing’ or ‘right wing’ if your nation has no effective borders.

  12. Diogenes – “The trouble is that Le Pen and Melenchon, despite being labelled right wing and left wing respectively, seem to espouse identical policies.”

    Except they don’t. They espouse similar policies in areas you care about. On the whole “sucking up to terrorists and flooding France with Arabs” front, they have very different policies. Macron apologised for Algeria. Le Pen, whose father fought bravely to save Algeria from Communism, well Communism’s close friends, does not. That is a major policy difference.

    The Soil Association was founded by Fascists. It has been taken up by Charles and the Guardian reading classes. That doesn’t make them Fascists. That just means they share the same irrational views about soil – but not about Jews for instance. I believe in protecting whales. But it doesn’t mean I agree with Greenpeace on anything else.

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