Guess who?

Other than that, there are bad points about them both.

With Le Pen it is undoubtedly the very ugly undercurrent of racism and anti-semitism. Yet with Melenchon, the problem is economic stupidity of a Venezuelan level of ghastliness.

A 100 per cent tax rate gains no revenue whatsoever, but that is proposed. In an ageing country, he proposes lowering the pensions age. He would kill off the nuclear industry which supplies 75 per cent of current electricity, and in general appears about as well informed as Chavez himself.

Not an appealing choice, but as your parents should have, but probably didn’t, tell you about choosing a mate: ugly beats stupid every time.

24 comments on “Guess who?

  1. “as your parents should have, but probably didn’t, tell you about choosing a mate: ugly beats stupid every time”: Lizzie Bennet’s mum.

  2. Why would anyone think that the man who found the Socialists too right wing and so went off to join the Communists is not every bit as ugly?

    Le Pen is the daughter of an unrepentant anti-semite. Not her personally. Melenchon is personally an unrepentant apologist for Stalinists if not Stalinism. He is ugly *and* student. While the Le Pens, and especially Le Pen the Younger, is really quite shapely.

    There is a special circle of hell for all women who do not support other women. The only progressive vote is one for Le Pen.

  3. The problem with that piece is that Melenchon is also virulently antisemitic – and more openly than Le Pen. They’re both racist nutjobs and their policies are all but indistinguishable.

  4. You should have stood for the French Presidency Dave. And created a Triumvirate of Waycist nutjobs.

    Think of Israel’s boundless gratitude for your help against the swarming sea of anti-semites.

    Why the very streets of Paris are full of them.

  5. Melenchon too has no murky history of party ties to the Vichy regime or anti-Semitism – a not-so-distant past for the Front National.

    Well the left in the form of the princely and dissembling François Mitterand had very definite ties to the Vichy government.

  6. @Meissen – one telling little thing about Mitterrand; when the French eat ortolans (corn buntings that have been caught, kept in a box, blinded, drowned in Armagnac then roasted – eaten by placing a napkin over one’s head, putting the body in your mouth and letting the fat drain down your throat, and these days illegal on cruelty grounds) you only ever have one, ever. EVER. On his deathbed, Mitterrand ate two.

  7. The fact that it was illegal when he ate them was of course typical of the man, and his regime. Laws are for other people.

  8. Flatcap,

    how can we be sure that his loyal manservant didn’t stuff two of the buggers down his throat to make sure he stayed in his deathbed.

  9. Yes, I’ve always thought the ortolan thing very telling. But then BobRocket’s explanation had not occurred to me!

  10. Anyone with Marion Jeanne Caroline Maréchal-Le Pen in the family gets my vote, God she’s gorgeous, just the name gets my hormones overflowing.

  11. Other than that, there are bad points about them both.

    With Le Pen it is undoubtedly the very ugly undercurrent of racism and anti-semitism.

    Hmmm.. I had assuned the “other” one wrote that.

    Le Pen has problems with a particular form of religious enrichment – that’s it, isn’t it? And you were referring specifically to Marine?

  12. The FN was created by Jean Marie Le Pen. He fought in Algeria but not in WW2.

    Nasty piece of work, but not responsible for Vichy.

  13. > about choosing a mate: ugly beats stupid every time

    I had the good fortune to choose neither; but I’m curious, what exactly is the logic here? Is it practical matter – i.e. living with a ditsy wife means always cleaning up after her mistakes? Or is this one of those evolutionary things, where smarts beats beauty because reasons?

  14. Because it’s easier to shut your eyes than shut your ears?

    Because they all look the same in the dark?

    Or just read P&P to see Miss Austen’s view.

  15. The anti-semitism charge is interesting because FN are the only ones interested in reducing the number of Muslim immigrants, who are literally chasing the Jews out of France. Jewish advocacy groups seem remarkably sanguine about France’s Islamic future.

  16. dearieme,

    Miss Austen wrote about girls choosing husbands; my question is whether the same applies to men choosing wives. Received wisdom is that men marry for looks.

  17. JerryC>

    “Muslim immigrants, who are literally chasing the Jews out of France.”

    Typical far-right incoherence. That’s an example of them assimilating into the local culture.

  18. Andrew M,

    “Miss Austen wrote about girls choosing husbands; my question is whether the same applies to men choosing wives. Received wisdom is that men marry for looks.”

    The one thing you should care about with a wife is whether you’d like to fuck her, because it’s the one thing that your wife has a monopoly on. Everything else, you can either fix yourself, or pay for someone. Paying for sex tends not to be accepted.

  19. A 100 per cent tax rate gains no revenue whatsoever,

    I assumed it was The Fat One until I read that.

  20. Bloke in Wiltshire – “The one thing you should care about with a wife is whether you’d like to fuck her, because it’s the one thing that your wife has a monopoly on.”

    In theory for that monopoly thing. However you should really think about whether you would like to f**k her in ten or twenty years time. Because wanting to f**k her now is rarely a hard choice for any woman. Wanting to wake up in the morning with her is another question entirely. One that men all too rarely consider.

    Also of course, ten years out, the flames may have died down a little, the squirrel suit got a bit old. You may want to ask her to try the pine martin costume. Whether she will or not is not all that closely related to whether you want to f**k her now. Whether she likes you is probably more important.

    These days I would suggest young men consider the chances of her going on Jeremy Kyle.

    In passing, the most unusual article I read this week was over a Furry Society in America that has suspended its good work because, allegedly, it got taken over by Nazi Furries. Yep. There are people who like dressing up as an Adolf Hitler squirrel. And there are enough of them to make the more normal furries into a minority. What glorious times in which we live.

  21. FlatCap: interesting read, and very similar to arguments I was having two years ago about using electorate or population figures for boundary reviews.

    I did a decent chunk of research to show that for the puposes of chopping the country up into 600 bits, electorate figures *are* population figures, merely multiplied by 0.75. You either chop up the country into chunks of 75,000 electors or chunks of 100,000 people. At that scale you get a result that is so close as to be statistically identical.

    But no, “We’ve got to use population figures ‘cos the electorate figures are inaccurate, and they don’t count all the people, froth foam”. Yeah, electorate figures that are compiled annually are less accurate than population figures that are compiled every ten years?

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