To hear the lamentations of their women

Will Hutton manages to equate his own views with reality and truth:

Britain is a country of the European Enlightenment, or so I have thought. For decades, we have muddled through without a written constitution. But the impact of a referendum that went against majority opinion in parliament, along with a desperately weak parliamentary opposition, a weaponised rightwing media and lack of mass support for the rule of law, has shown how vulnerable our civilisation is to know-nothing populism and a profoundly dysfunctional democracy.

Enlightenment values – tolerance, respect for the importance of fair debate, checked and balanced government, objectivity and impartiality, recognition of international interdependencies – are being trashed. Matters could get very ugly, very fast. It is not just Europe we are leaving, but an idea of Britain.

The Enlightenment was much more about insisting that people should be left alone to get on with what they want to do than anything else. Freedom of religion, of commercial occupation, these are enlightenment values, no?

Ever since the referendum, I have been filled by a growing sense of foreboding as a series of catastrophes in the public sphere has unfolded. Britain is being recast, but not for the better. How our democracy works, the chance of there ever being a liberal, social democratic government, how we relate to our EU neighbours, the prospects for our economy and even Britain as a home for Enlightenment values, all are now in question.

Liberal social democratic government means, here, that we all tug our forelocks as we do what Will Hutton tells us to do.

We think we know who she is. Yet her right remains untamed and dominant, obsessed with Ayn Rand individualism, deluded by dreams of a new British empire and keen to create a fantastical, low-tax Britain, as a European Hong Kong.

A European Hong Kong means we get to tell Willy to fuck off and we go do our own thing. Which sounds rather more enlightenment to me.

It would actually be interesting to run the vote along these lines, wouldn’t it?

All those in favour of Willy ruling say Aye!

27 comments on “To hear the lamentations of their women

  1. Just a thought, but has anyone ever seen Will and Spud in the same room? There can’t be a closer competition to find the worst sufferer of the Dunning–Kruger effect, maybe its the same person?

  2. But the impact of a referendum that went against majority opinion in parliament

    Majority at the time, sure. Majority afterwards…. well, that changed real fast. As it should.

  3. “Enlightenment values… are being trashed.”

    Tolerance – open borders not a proxy for tolerance Willy.

    Respect for the importance of fair debate – dianne abbott needs extra time for her answers? Does she have a note?.

    checked and balanced government – coalitions: everybody loves em now apparently.

    bjectivity and impartiality: of the law yeah, BBC sort of, but everybody, including you?

    Recognition of international interdependencies – Sneaked that one in there. Succession is so anti liberal… how very PIRA.

  4. If Woolly Willy is so keen on preserving Enlightenment values, will he make a stand against muslim immigration by supporting repatriation grants? Of course not. He’ll have been one of those who criticised pipsqueak Farron for not denying homosexuality is a sin but who would never consider asking our 13(?) Muslim MPs the same question.

  5. A ‘series of catastrophes’ implies they weren’t really catastrophes. Overstating their case again. Hysterical exaggeration is the new hallmark of the left.

  6. I believe in absolute free speech.God forbid any lack of emotional control in listeners/readers.

    .But in terms of emotion–which of course we can NOT be ruled by–that first paragraph of Hutton’s is such a vile collation of arrogant Marxian lies delivered with extra sauce-of-Arrogance and a side order of middle-class CM deceit and arrogance that Hutton really needs that wickedness “pressuring” out of him. By friendly persuasion of course. Then to appear on national media -with an unmarked face. To apologise to the British people and to the Spirit of Freedom. In whose countenance he has just flung a pot of his rancid middle-class leftist piss.

  7. “Why won’t people listen to me and other members of my exclusive, insulated club? It really is most baffling, and proves people are all idiots and bigots.”

  8. “But the impact of a referendum that went against majority opinion in parliament”

    Completely fucking irrelevant, as part of the deal of the majority of MPs getting elected was that they gave up that choice to the electorate in a referendum. Some of them wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t done so.

    The sooner this cunt is gone from public life, the better. I don’t mind the Guardian paying him until that dies, but we have to destroy the BBC.

  9. ‘Never before in my adult life has the future seemed so bleak for progressives’

    Don’t worry, Willy, the Republicans will fuck it up.

  10. I love the idea the Left has TODAY that we need a ‘fairer’ system of electing our parliament. It just so happens that today they are losing. Funnily enough though I remember back to 2010 and the election result leading to the formation of the coalition. I remember the Daily Mirror and the Guardian and those muppet on Mock the Week repeating gleefully that this was a government nobody had voted for and so which had no legitimacy.

    For Will Hutton and his ilk tolerance means the right to agree with them and their world view, a functioning democracy is one that gets them elected. Simple.

  11. “Britain is a country of the European Enlightenment, or so I have thought.” Rather more a country of the Scottish Enlightenment I’d have thought.

    The European Enlightenment often gets blamed for the murderous French Revolution, and Communism too. Whether that’s unfair I don’t know. Probably not.

  12. The Enlightenment was much more about insisting that people should be left alone to get on with what they want to do than anything else.

    …….yeah thats right mate that René Descartes said I can do wot ever I want basically (See Je suis un putain de totale imbécile ) so if I want to hate Polish people I bloody well will ( to quote Rousseau’s little known work Assez-vous, les Polonais ont l’odeur)
    Previously I had thought enlightenment was about establishing truth through objective test and reasoning rather than the tradition and tribal superstition . Thank god for Brexit reasserting the power of a tribe to invent truth by means of publication in the Daily Mail.

    Turkey is about to join
    The EU is responsible for Islamic terrorism
    Erecting barriers between ourselves and Europe will make us richer
    The sky rests on the forest canopy
    Immigrants make houses expensive
    Leeches cure brain cancer
    Theresa May is a National Saviour

    And so on….

  13. lack of mass support for the rule of law

    What? Does anyone have a clue what this means?

  14. Rob – it means nothing. It’s a piece of rather inelegant sophistry to try and obscure the fact that little Willy is disappointed in the people and wants to dissolve them and elect a new one.

    The main point is that leftists like Hutton, Maugham and Grayling have never stopped believing that history progresses to a bright future where all the vices they dislike no longer exist. When reality thwarts this they have to have a little temper tantrum. Progressivism is natural, you see, and reactionaries have succeeded in blocking it.

    None of this has anything to do with the immediate difficulties of Brexit. It’s simply that life hasn’t turned out like Star Trek and they’re unhappy about it.

    Too many people want to spin Brexit as a rejection of globalisation. It might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think people were rejecting internationalism as much as anything else.

  15. ” Britain is being recast, but not for the better. ”

    Translation: ” The anti-Western Globalist Elites have suffered a setback.”

  16. Where and under what stone have you been hiding NewRemainia?

    Been off for a month being reprogrammed by your elite buddies?

    Saga holiday? Hope it was a better , more interesting and vastly more honest saga than the shite you serve up on here.

    Or did you paint your mug with the wrong sort of paint by accident and couldn’t get the Union Jack off–even with turps?

  17. I thought Newmania’s comment funny.
    Not as mad as Arnald, god bless him.

  18. “How our democracy works, the chance of there ever being a liberal, social democratic government, how we relate to our EU neighbours, the prospects for our economy and even Britain as a home for Enlightenment values, all are now in question.”

    Yeah. As long as you hold elections and/or referendums the future is always in question. The people may vote different from how you want them to. It’s a feature, not a bug.

  19. Hutton’s Enlightenment: defer to and unquestioningly obey your rulers (elected or appointed) & betters.

    Scottish then British then Western Enlightenment:

    …Enlightenment thought culminates historically in the political upheaval of the French Revolution, in which the traditional hierarchical political and social orders (the French monarchy, the privileges of the French nobility, the political power and authority of the Catholic Church) were violently destroyed and replaced by a political and social order informed by the Enlightenment ideals of freedom and equality for all, founded, ostensibly, upon principles of human reason…

    …Kant defines “enlightenment” as humankind’s release from its self-incurred immaturity; “immaturity is the inability to use one’s own understanding without the guidance of another.” Enlightenment is the process of undertaking to think for oneself, to employ and rely on one’s own intellectual capacities in determining what to believe and how to act…

    Source: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/enlightenment/

    Newmainia, visit nearest assylum and request sectioning.

  20. I’ve not been to Hong Kong since the handover, but…
    fast cheap clean public transport
    low mass housing costs (ok, gets expensive quickly up the ladder, but it’s very cheap to not be homeless)
    cheap everyday neccessities
    a culture of saving for your future/old age
    tolerance of dissent
    intolerence of corruption
    safe streets of the ‘your daughter can walk home alone at midnght’ type

  21. fast cheap clean public transport

    Nah it’s full of mainlanders taking dumps on it.

    low mass housing costs (ok, gets expensive quickly up the ladder, but it’s very cheap to not be homeless)

    Sure, if you want to live in a cage.

    tolerance of dissent
    intolerence of corruption

    Fading fast since the commies took over.

    safe streets of the ‘your daughter can walk home alone at midnght’ type

    Not when I’m out on the piss in Wanchai.

  22. Democracy means, if it is to mean anything, the unrestricted right of every free-born Englishman to administer an utterly unrelenting hoofing to Will Hutton’s nadgers, until he explodes.

  23. It’s curious.

    After Blair won, a lot of pundits said that the Conservatives would struggle to ever get re-elected. The hill to climb was too great and their voters were dying off.

    I don’t recall any articles by leftist writers lamenting the end of the enlightenment in the way they are now. And where there was a call for strong opposition to Blair it wasn’t because they wanted Blair to be less left wing

  24. blokeinfrance

    Do you think Nemmania could be a lobotomised Arnald – that’s a scary thought!

    As far as I am aware Arnald has been sectioned and is currently not allowed access to t’internet as things stand but this could provide an explanation as to his absence

  25. As a fellow absentee, I would plead another excuse: hilarity.
    Will Hutton , whose fears seem a shade excessive to me , only has to look at the remarks above to see all his comments appear to be entirely justified (though I miss such classics as , from Mr X ,’ all the British Media are dominated by paid up Communists, and the parliamentary Labour Party is responsible for 150,000,000 anti-socialist deaths followed by calls for summary executions of anybody suspected of having read anything).
    Or is Mr X really Will Hutton in disguise? If so, he needs to tone down the exaggeration somewhat.

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