Yep

For decades, Labour took this area and its other heartlands for granted – while it flirted with Mondeo Man and Worcester Woman. It parachuted in its plastic professional politicians – just think of the way Tristram Hunt was airlifted into Stoke – and ignored the need to nurture local talent. Now in Wales and elsewhere, it is paying the price of decades of ingrained arrogance.

And it’s not that Mondeo Man stuff either. It’s that national Labour is every snowflake with a grievance screaming “Waaacist” at people. Tiger Bay does recall where Shirley Bassey came from and isn’t impressed with people who would debate whether a half caste girl is dark enough to win a Miss Black beauty contest. But there are people in London who took that seriously.

We might even put it as those voting fodder realising that they really are being offered dead donkeys to vote for.

53 comments on “Yep

  1. If you hate your voters and are working as hard as possible to make them a minority in their own homeland, don’t be surprised when they don’t vote for you.

    You can parachute complete berks into safe seats if you share a vision with the voters. No matter what that vision is – and the Tories have been the party of government for the past 150 years because a large chunk of the working class votes for them. But you can’t win if you don’t share a vision of the future. And the idea of the inmates running the mental asylum – which is basically what Labour wants – is not popular.

  2. It doesn’t enter his pretty little head that perhaps the Welsh have seen Labour in operation running their country and decided that they are incompetent and that their policies don’t work:

    In most developed countries, success in life is generally based on the quality of education one gets as a child, but in Wales, where the standard of education is beyond miserable, most children would do a lot better if they got expelled!

    To put it all in perspective and how we got to this sorry state, we need to go back to the beginning of Welsh devolution when the Welsh Education became the sole responsibility of the Welsh Assembly Government.

    The newly formed Welsh Labour Government didn’t take long to start dismantling the long established parity with the education system in England under the guise of creating an education system with a unique ‘Welsh Distinction’ that all successive education ministers have followed blindly to this very day.

    And in healthcare:

    NHS patients in Wales wait longer for treatment and diagnosis than patients in England for most of the main categories, BBC Wales can reveal.
    Hip operations showed the biggest difference of four months, with an average wait in England of 75 days compared to 197 in Wales in 2014/15.
    Diagnosis of heart disease takes on average 10 days longer in Wales.
    Deputy Health Minister Vaughan Gething called for a focus on the results of treatment, not just waiting times.
    Waiting times for hip surgery have deteriorated significantly in Wales over the past four years. Since 2011/12, the average wait has risen by a fifth for the nearly 6,000 people who had hip operations in 2014/15.

  3. Incidentally I am listening to the BBC spending more time of Putin’s celebrations of World War Two than they did on British celebrations.

    No mention of the fact that the USSR spent a good chunk of the war fighting on the German side.

    They wonder why their ratings are so poor.

  4. DuckyMcDuckface – “Presumably, SMFS has really got it in for the Finns.”

    I don’t have it in for the Finns. I liked Split Enz. When the BBC ignores British veterans to laud the Finns’ war on the German side, I will have something bad to say about them.

    In the meantime, as much as I deplore Finland’s immoral post-1945 policy, I see nothing much wrong with the pre-1945 policies.

  5. The massive irony being that the Guardian is the absolute distillation of the internationalist, middle-class Progressive wanksense responsible for the party’s decline.

  6. It’s amazing that Labour’s support in the polls refuses to drop below app. 27%, no matter how bad they get. That’s the number of die-hard Commies who will vote for Labour (or SWP, etc.) until the end of time, even if they’ve been put into the gulag themselves.

  7. And there’s now no way back for Labour. The membership voted for Milliband and then twice for Corbyn. The membership does not represent the base voter, so the base voter will look elsewhere, or stay home.

  8. Prefer Crowded House, meself.

    Some of my best friends have Nokias, I’ll have you know.

  9. Don’t forget that Labour buys the votes of bludgers, parasites and state-sector employees (but I repeat myself, etc) with bribe money extracted from actual workers, so it has a solid share of the electorate below which it won’t fall.

    If those who were dependent on the state were deprived of the vote, as they should be, things would be very different.

  10. It’s amazing that Labour’s support in the polls refuses to drop below app. 27%, no matter how bad they get. That’s the number of die-hard Commies who will vote for Labour (or SWP, etc.) until the end of time, even if they’ve been put into the gulag themselves.

    They probably thought the same in Scotland in 2014. Parties can collapse surprisingly quickly.

    Of course, the Scots abandoned Labour for another socialist party daubed in woad.

  11. wat dabney

    The Icelandic Commonwealth offered people welfare. But the price was castration.

  12. SMFS – we declared war on Germany for invading Poland. The Russians also invaded Poland.
    Russia was an ally later and they won WW2. Sure, we helped a bit but without us they’d have still won.

  13. Martin – “Russia was an ally later and they won WW2. Sure, we helped a bit but without us they’d have still won.”

    I am not sure that is true. As fast as the Soviet’s built tanks, the Germans destroyed them. It is remarkable.

    There would have been no moral difference if we had swapped sides – as the Soviets had done – and helped the Nazis.

  14. Yes the Germans destroyed tanks. You did notice which country invaded Berlin from the east?

  15. @SMFS – the role of US and UK weapons, food, materiel and so on delivered to the USSR is often overlooked. Not only tanks, vehicles, planes, radios etc, but also food, cloth and so on were shipped in massive quantities. 17.5 million tons in total.

    There were 34.5M men in the Red Army during the war, so about 500 kg of war aid was shipped per soldier.

  16. “They probably thought the same in Scotland in 2014. Parties can collapse surprisingly quickly.
    Of course, the Scots abandoned Labour for another socialist party daubed in woad.”

    I was thinking of left-wing parties in general – Labour, SWP, Greens, SNP – rather than Labour in particular. Labour-voting civil servants, dole bludgers and academics would gladly switch to a new left-wing party if they thought they had a chance of power, and if they knew all their mates were switching too. (But for the time being Corbyn and his lot have entrenched themselves in position.)

  17. “Yes the Germans destroyed tanks. You did notice which country invaded Berlin from the east?”

    Russia received 7000 tanks from the US and small numbers from the UK. This amounts to about 10% of soviet tanks.

  18. > This amounts to about 10% of soviet tanks.

    By all accounts, the US and UK tanks were more durable. They might only account for 10% by number, but perhaps 15-20% in terms of efficacy.

  19. “every snowflake with a grievance screaming “Waaacist” at people.”

    Jeez, Tim, you really need to get out of this echo chamber. You’re not wrong in general, but really, only far right nutjobs, like several of the commenters here, use ‘screaming waaaaycist’. Instead of ‘making false allegations of racism’.

    You look like you’re aligning yourself with the worst parts of the alt-right movement when you use that language. Is that your intention, or are you just using language you haven’t quite understood?

  20. Much more important than Lend Lease was the naval blockade. Without the RN the Germans would have been able to export freely, earn money, and import the titanium and oil they desperately needed. Plus they could have stopped garrisoning France.

    Britain surrenders in 1940 and Russia would have lost. It was touch-and-go as it was.

  21. Its not only the weapons and military supplies the Allies sent the Russians, it was the transport vehicles.Keeping an army fighting is about logistics – if the fuel, ammo and food doesn’t make it to the front line then you lose. Its said that if the Africa Korps trucks had been in Russia in 1941 and 1942 things could have turned out very differently.

  22. I seem to recall something about UKIP’s main financial backer Arron Banks putting money into a new party to replace the working class voters that Labour has abandoned.

    I wish he would get a bloody move on.

    Labour needs to be given the vampiric burial rites to stop it rising from the dead.

  23. “Russia was an ally later and they won WW2. Sure, we helped a bit but without us they’d have still won.”

    Without us hemming them in Germany would have traded with the worls and found all the resources it needed.

  24. Read the article. Then laughed until I cried. Then laughed some more.
    The Guardian’s turning into that often talked about publication; a good news paper, isn’t it? Hardly an issue comes out, there’s not at least one major article to rejoice at & the comments sections are pure comedy.
    Starting to wonder if chucking a few bob in their begging bowl mightn’t be a wise investment.

  25. @Jim

    >Keeping an army fighting is about logistics

    Spot on. The most feared tanks on the Russian front were the German Tigers, though they didn’t have nearly as many as they wanted/needed. The Tiger was devastating — its cannon had a 2 km range, and was in almost every other way superior to the T-34.

    Knowing the length of the German supply lines, the Russians developed a simple tactic of deliberately crashing a T-34 into a Tiger whenever they could get near enough. Result: the Wehrmacht lost so many Tigers that they also lost the battle of Kursk, arguably the pivot on which turned the entire Axis defeat.

  26. The Russian tanks were pretty good, just their doctrine sucked. The Germans were far superior in force doctrine and basic logistics. The Russians were superior in concealment and Russian logistics – like how to use a road turned to mud. And were used to Russian winters.
    Add in shortened supply chain and a what is to us appalling use of troops the Russians had some advantages.

    The Tiger was a pretty good tank, took a lot more resources to build though. Quantity has a quality of its own, each Tiger taken out hurt the Germans and replacements being so many weeks away….

  27. The Tiger was shite. It was a Porsche in a battle of Skodas. You can have the best armed and armoured tank in history but if it’s not combat available it’s rubbish. It had a ridiculous hydraulic gearbox and the fuel pump kept breaking down. The Germans did this all the time (R. V. Jones said they over-engineered their radar for example). Yet they were still dependent on horses whereas the Western Allies were exclusively motorised.

  28. “or are you just using language you haven’t quite understood?”

    Perhaps it’s your good self that doesn’t quite understand things? Because you’re a dick?

  29. “I seem to recall something about UKIP’s main financial backer Arron Banks putting money into a new party to replace the working class voters that Labour has abandoned.
    I wish he would get a bloody move on.”

    Don’t hold your breath. Banks is all talk and no action. Guido recently put up a list of the many things he said he was going to do, and hasn’t.

  30. Back to Tim’s post:

    This guy was on Newsnight last night, to plug this article as we can now see. He began with “I’ve just got back from Bridgend”.

    Cos that’s what you do with Bridgend right: you go for a short while.and then you get back to North LonDon. That’s what you do with all provincial areas. And then one day they stop voring for you and you go on TV to figure why on Earth they’ve done that. What a wanker.

    For those that know where Bridgend is; 7 years I lived there after buying my first home in Brackla. My neighbours called it Coity; it was Brackla.

  31. Bloke in costa rica – ever wondered how horses cope when the Rodina turns to mud and supplies have to be pulled on sleds?

    Ironman, have been to Bridgend many times. Lots of family in the area. Was always good to get back from Bridgend. 🙂

  32. So many comments to comment on!

    I’ll do two:

    Martin is correct, the Soviets won the war. 7/8s of German division months were in the east. The Western Europe war was tiny.

    What the Soviets had that won the war was . . . .
    In large battles, the Germans killed Soviets 5:1, 10:1, sometimes even 20:1. The problem for the Germans was they couldn’t afford the 1. Germany got into a war of attrition with a much larger country.

  33. Personally, I’m glad one of our own has been able to determine that the “worst parts of the alt-right movement ” are merely using (to some observers) inappropriate language.

    I’d have thought the worst bits (or would the be the “very worst bits”?) would be encouraging the forced repatriation of UK born Muslims and possibly the repurposing of Old Trafford to stage mass battles to the death between the gayers and the feminists.

    “Waaaacist”? Meh.

  34. Martin: they get mired and die. And then the winter comes and they freeze to death.

  35. Mr Worstall

    Are you eligible to vote in UK elections? Fraudulently postal? Skin in the game?

    I’m with Dave, here.

    You read like a kindrgarten Breibart.

  36. Is Juncker allowed a public position on the UK elections? He can’t vote, and has no skin in the game.

    The idea that only locals can comment on their political affairs is pathetic. I barely know a person who has no position on Trump (oh, that’s different I bet).

  37. Mr Worstall

    He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy.

    You read like a kindrgarten Breibart

    Ohhh. And the poor lad’s not doing well at school at the moment either. We do try our best. Sorry about that Mr Worstall.

  38. “You look like you’re aligning yourself with the worst parts of the alt-right movement when you use that language.”

    Says the ctrl-left.

    I know you guys – anyone right of Macron is alt-right.

  39. Ironman,

    One of the reasons that Thatcher kept on winning is that she lived in the provinces for so many decades that she was in tune with their desires. And a train trip and interviewing a dozen people in Bridgend doesn’t replace that.

    The problem with huge numbers of people (outside of low-grade scummy jobs) in London is that they live in this bubble of state funding or protection, and all the incentives that come from that.

  40. In other Guardian-related news, apparently their hock up app, or what passes for it among the perpetually outraged, has broken down, flooding everyone who has subscribed with porn.

    Personally I am hoping it is the Russians. The idea of a bunch of hard faced Islington lesbians getting their inboxes filled with Hungarian barn yard porn just makes me smile.

    I am probably a bad person.

  41. Yes, SMFS you are a bad person.

    Ironman told me so it must be true.

    Dave.. Pls sod off. You’re boring.

  42. From an ElReg comment on the story.

    “Having had the experience of working with The Guardian developers – they believe in a highly agile, very public and highly iterative style of development. There is no test environment, they release straight to live on live data. The theory being that they can roll back an update equally quickly if it turns out to be bad.
    Unfortunately you can’t roll back data leaks quickly.

    They are also highly arrogant and don’t like this fallacy being pointed out to them.

    Surely not.

  43. There is no test environment, they release straight to live on live data.

    So their software developers are just as mental as their columnists, believing the real world should adapt itself to conform to their crazy beliefs.

  44. Ironman – “I never said SMFS was a bad person! I said he was a Thick.Racist.Prick”

    And you are still a c*nt.

  45. Jesus–You are an insolent cunt to appear on here peddling socialist evil and blasphemy at the same time.

    Of course murdering 150 million beats taking the Lord’s name in vain but a turds like you don’t mind either it seems.

    SE:Our “British-born” friends are just as much the enemy of western society as imports. Many of them are keener on atrocity than their imported progenitors and their ever-rising numbers –subsidised by the cash of the UK taxpayer as stolen by the left (which includes BluLabour)–IS the danger threatening anyone not part of their gang. No more allowed in/ money for one woman and two kids max and the end of RoP and Subsahara voting will neutralise the threat plus a small bounty to help those not liking the new conditions to leave. Humane and cheaper than civil war or worse the disgraceful loss of our land to dhimmitude and foreign oppression.

  46. Mr Ecks

    a small bounty to help those not liking the new conditions to leave

    – worked quite well for Eire and their simmering tinker problem as I understand it – €5000 each + fuel + UK ferry tickets was the going rate aiui.

    Inspired dodge

  47. Ironman and Dave – the constituent parts of a pantomime horse, only both playing the arse.

  48. “Jesus–You are an insolent cunt to appear on here peddling socialist evil and blasphemy at the same time.”

    Uh?

    I asked Tim Worstall whether or not he can vote. (strangely ignored). Then I offered a weak insult.

    How is that insolent and who the fuck do you think you are to write that nonsense?

    As for blasphemy, Are you a muslamic?

    Are you always this stupid?

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