So then, define indigenous

Cook responded with a bizarre claim, telling @maorimermaid: ‘Lol. Get a clue before you jump on the bandwagon. Maori are NOT indigenous you ignorant tw**.’
Maoris, who are of Polynesian descent, have lived in New Zealand since the 13th century, more than 500 years before British settlement.

I think I’m right in saying that until the Maori turned up there were no humans living there. But does turning up after Canterbury Cathedral (our one) was already a century old make you indigenous?

35 comments on “So then, define indigenous

  1. The annoying one is Mauritius. No people on it at all before the Dutch found it. But unlimited immigration meant it was handed over to “indigenous” people of Indian origin rather than remaining British.

  2. Pretty much everywhere, except some parts of Africa, is populated by immigrants. Native Americans, Australian aborigines, they’re all immigrants.

  3. It’s informative to remember that at the time of the Battle of Hastings, NZ forests were roamed by 12 foot tall Moa (and the even more incredible Haasts’s eagle that preyed on them). Within a century or so of the first humans arriving they were all gone. Remember that when someone drones on about how humans used to live in balance with nature.

    (A very similar tale could be told of American megafauna – saber-tooths, giant tree sloths, etc. but the precise timing is less clear.)

  4. Ljh – “If we all ultimately derive from African hominids, how come colonisation is a bad thing?”

    As I understand Ironman and his like, race is skin deep. Unless you are White. Then evil goes all the way to the bone.

    So colonisation *by* non-Whites is fine. It is colonisation *of* non-Whites that is problematic.

  5. For some reason that I cannot understand Rusty gets upset when I refer to the indigenous population of the British isles.

    Even though genetically the British population had not changed since the Bronze Age before the Windrush.

    Indigenous appears to be a label the Left only accepts for non-White people.

  6. Charlie Suet,

    autochthonous – bad, allochthonous – good.

    Indigenous, native, aboriginal – Waaacist!

  7. — “Playboy model who caused outrage after posing nude on sacred New Zealand mountain is under fire again for claiming Maori people are ‘NOT indigenous'”

    I clicked on that link and I’ll tell you what bro, her arse is sacred.

  8. ‘Indigenous’ is generally a term for primitives who got run over in the civilization race by never managing to get past the stone age.

    This gives them 397 virtue points in progressive politics.

  9. I hadn’t realised NZ got settled that late. Which I suppose, given the southern hellhole that it is to get to, shouldn’t be that surprising.

    There’s ample evidence of human occupation in Australia going back 40,000-60,000 years. There’s some (controversial) evidence that the current inhabitants when European settlement happened were just the n’th lot to push out the previous mob, in no way related to the original inhabitants. Although, I’m surprised this never occurred to me before – they held off the Polynesians (except perhaps in the Torres Strait Islands) and left them with Easter Island and New Zealand as consolation prizes 🙂

  10. ‘Brunette playmate Jaylene Cook was accused of being culturally disrespectful after she posed nude on the summit of Mt Taranaki’

    Typical legacy press argumentum ad ignoranteum. We have no idea who, if anyone, or how many, allegedly complained. For all we know, it is only the Western legacy press that complained – in defense of the poor, incapable, indigenous people of NZ.

    ‘culturally disrespectful’ – a 21st century crime.

  11. Gamecock – “‘culturally disrespectful’ – a 21st century crime.”

    And in the Leftist way, a double standard. A aesthetically pleasing ar$e naked on a mountain top? Outrage.

    P!ss Christ on the other hand …..

  12. Incidentally, and mildly off topic:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/05/10/professor-argues-squirrels-are-subjected-to-racially-charged-media-bias/

    Teresa Lloro-Bidart, an associate professor of liberal studies at Cal Poly, argues in a recently published postmodernist research paper that eastern fox squirrels are on the receiving end of racially-charged media bias. Lloro-Bidart claims that she worked towards such a conclusion by analyzing the coverage of eastern fox squirrels through “feminist posthumanist,” and “feminist food studies” lenses.

    Which brings me back to indigenous – grey squirrels are not. I want them all dead. At least all of those in the UK. The Red Squirrel is the only rat with a furry tail that has any place in these Bless’d isles. Is that a Hate Crime I wonder?

  13. Lloro-Bidart? I think we’ve a bottle of that, under the sink. Clean the toilets. Must be a family business.

  14. Aborigine means earliest known inhabitants.

    Indigenous means native to and characteristic of a particular place or region. That describes all New Zealanders.

    The British now are indigenous to the British Isles, but the aborigine were the Celts.

  15. There’s plenty of aboriginal tribes in the Philippines but no one gives a shit about them because the people who displaced them were Austronesian, so it’s all cool.

    White ‘English speaking people are ‘indigenous’ to the Falkland Islands as they were the first people to settle there but apparently they are evil colonists because a country full of feckless latins that didn’t exist until later claim it.

    Or so I’m told by the Guardian.

  16. Having just read the article I’d like to get ‘pure and natural’ with young Jaylene.

  17. I seem to remember in horticulture anything that’s been wild in Britain since the 15th century is termed Native. 500 years seems fair enough. Romans didn’t quite manage it.

  18. I had never heard of Jaylene Cook and now I have, I can only assume that the person who complained to the media was her publicist doing the job he gets paid for.

  19. ‘People from everywhere saying they’re not offended at all – they love the photo, and it’s encouraged them to embrace their bodies as well,’ she said.

    I’m sure it has encouraged some chaps to embrace at least one part of their bodies, Jaylene.

  20. If the mountain is Holy, there’s nothing stopping the offended ancient God from striking her down with a crack of lightning or a hail storm.
    Perhaps it isn’t a sacred mountain after all, just iconic.

  21. The celts are not the first known peoples in the UK. They only arrived around 900BC or so, some 600 years or so after stone henge had fallen out of use.

  22. If the mountain is Holy, …

    Most here would consider it very poor form to have naked photos for sexual purposes taken in a cathedral. We also don’t think God will strike down anyone who does that.

    Mountains, and especially mountain tops, are tapu to Maori. In general they allow people to go onto them, just as we allow people to visit cathedrals, but they expect them to behave appropriately.

  23. The indigenous thing is actually a blind, come to that.

    If people have a sacred site, then it matters not that they are early or late arrivals.

    I would also think that if a person was to pose naked in a synagogue in NZ that they were not being appropriate.

  24. You know, I don’t want to be racially insensitive, well any more insensitive than usual, but you would have thought that Maori were fairly OK with naked people on top of mountains.

    Because before they culturally appropriated Methodism and, you know, like, clothing, every ar$e on that mountain was pretty much a bare ar$e. Give or take some grass skirts.

    Malaysia arrested some foreigners for doing the same thing. They have an excuse. They are Muslims. This looks like an artificial storm in a tea cup to me. Well, maybe not a tea cup. But a c cup at least.

  25. Chester Draws – “Most here would consider it very poor form to have naked photos for sexual purposes taken in a cathedral. We also don’t think God will strike down anyone who does that.”

    So we should allow Muslims to murder Rushdie? I am still fairly OK with that. And perhaps the man who did P!ss Christ should be in jail. But what is your criteria for outrage? Full on Spanish Inquisition? Anything my grandmother would not approve of? What?

    Is there any evidence that any Maori give a damn about this?

    “Mountains, and especially mountain tops, are tapu to Maori. In general they allow people to go onto them”

    That is very big of them. Very generous. Any evidence that Maori are observing any other taboo? Like the laws on rape and murder? How do Maori feel about criminal gangs?

    Chester Draws – “I would also think that if a person was to pose naked in a synagogue in NZ that they were not being appropriate.”

    The difference being that until recently Maori were pretty much naked pretty much all the time.

    Where is the evidence that this is not a shake down?

  26. Chester Draws
    “In general they allow people to go onto them, just as we allow people to visit cathedrals, but they expect them to behave appropriately.”

    They allow it do they? I’ve been up and down mountains in NZ for decades and I can’t say I’ve ever considered the need to consult the ‘Maori’ about it.

  27. So Much For Subtlety

    “Where is the evidence that this is not a shake down?”

    A shake down is done by white guys, if the Maori do it it’s called Koha.

  28. Stupid thot is stupid thot.

    Ltw: The abos “held off the Polynesians (except perhaps in the Torres Strait Islands) and left them with Easter Island and New Zealand as consolation prizes”?

    No. Polynesians could get to New Zealand with their technology. It had sufficient land for everyone. The abos didn’t do shit. Even worse than the Africans- not only did they never invent wheel-like technology, many groups even forgot how to do fire.

    As to whether the Maori were the first to get to New Zealand- perhaps they were, perhaps there were Moriori on the mainland that they killed off. We will know when the revolution comes.

  29. NiV – “Like this one?”

    No, not like that one. Because it is not for sexual purposes.

    “There are a lot a naked boys on Catholic chapel walls and ceilings, and I don’t think it was coincidental or for purely religious reasons!”

    Those who are obsessed with small boys assume everyone else is as well. But they aren’t.

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