The Guardian on things you can do about Venezuela

3. Pressure the left
Reach out to Jeremy Corbyn, Ken Livingstone and other politicians who have expressed support for Chávez and Maduro in the past. Put pressure on them to do the right thing and demand that the Venezuelan government respect human rights and democracy. Their voices might still carry some weight in Caracas.

I was going to weigh in but a comment beat me to it:

GMH123 1h ago

10. Get Owen Jones to write articles in the Guardian.

Yes, why not pressure Young Owen to tell us all about it?

23 comments on “The Guardian on things you can do about Venezuela

  1. Ah bless, they think Corbyn and Livingstone are against the sort of regime that now governs Venezuela.

  2. All these various solidarity campaigns were always in solidarity with the régime, not with the people.

    That much should be obvious now to all but the most incorrigably thick.

  3. I think it getting little Owen to write more is not enough. He needs to do some first hand research by living among the people and sharing their struggle.

    I suggest crowd funding an air ticket. I will happily kick in £50 to send him to Venezuela. Twice that if he promises not to come back.

  4. — “Put pressure on them to do the right thing and demand that the Venezuelan government respect human rights…”

    Except property rights – the foundation of a free and prosperous society – obviously.

    The Guardian and Venezuelan regime are in complete agreement on all the essentials.

  5. I wonder if the Guardian expressed support for them in the past. I guess we’ll never know.

  6. Chavez was anti human rights about 15 years ago – if the left had cared about then, Venezuela might be better of then.
    (A friend from Venezuela was too scared to vote against Chavez even 12 years ago because of what happened to people who signed a petition against Chavez).

  7. Is there is an opportunity for the UK to actively attract some of the best and brightest to come over here and fill skills shortages? If the EU-sters won’t come, bring over some Venezuelans looking to escape.

    I know a few Venezuelans and they’ve assimilated very well.

  8. mutter…mutter…Venezuela is state capitalism…mutter…mutter…Communism has never been tried…twitch…twitch.

    The usual suspects that support leftybollocks such as happened in Venezuela (and would happen here if Jezza Corbyn had his way) will be passed over “the wrong sort of” this ‘n that or perhaps that the way of “truth and light” was loss when comrade El Presidente Chavez was poisoned with cancer causing chemicals by the forces of capitalism.

    The real truth, that Venezuela is simply yet another victim of the failed ideology of the left can never be admitted, which is why we will continue to see failures like Venezuela going into the future until all those who stoke such idiocy are automatically hung from lampposts with piano wire.

  9. 7. Don’t use the Venezuelan crisis to further your political arguments. There are real people getting killed or starving to death in Venezuela. You disrespect their memories when you use them to explain why the US should never have free healthcare, why the west should allow bankers to disrupt the world’s economy or, from the opposite view, how what’s happening in Venezuela is not “real socialism”.

    Above all, don’t admit what caused the problems in the first place! It must be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that the economic policies were in no way responsible for the situation.

  10. Before the inevitable result of Jones’s Middle East policy wishes result in him being flung off the top of a high building in the UK at some future time, can we give him a taste of the future result of his South America policies and start to fling parcels of excrement at him?

  11. TimN,

    I read somewhere that PDVSA was quite an efficient and innovative company before the politicos started to exploit it, is that correct?

  12. The Guardian doesn’t tell us which ‘human rights’ are being protested. From the side bar, it appears it is the human right to a good job and free health care, destroyed by capitalism’s fluctuating oil prices.

    But the article only supports the right to protest. Rather bizarre. People starving, and the Guardian worries about their right to protest.

  13. Tim Newman – “Me too. But they’re the white collar ex-PDVSA workers.”

    I am sure that BiS will know a few too. The point is not that they are white collar. It is that they are White. Venezuela’s ruling class was largely Spanish, Italian and German. It is not a surprise that they should have fled the socialist paradise that the mestizo Chavez had created.

  14. Ah yes clan Chaves

    Amazing really – the largest proven oil reserves of any country on the planet… a modern marvel.

    I’m wondering if the Guardian have been weeding their back catalog of effusive stuff about the place

  15. SMFS: I suggest crowd funding an air ticket. I will happily kick in £50 to send him to Venezuela.

    I think we also need to provide some money so Owen’s mum can buy him clothes – shorts, polo shirts – suitable for hot climates.

  16. Most of the Venezolanas I know, SMfS, are as you put it, “mestizo”. They are the poor, earning money in Europe to send home to their families. What I know about them does tend to explain what happens in places like Venezuela.
    Like the poor from almost anywhere, they have very short time horizons. Not surprising because, when you’re poor, the future’s not much under your control. You’re concern is tomorrow & maybe the next day. It’s not much good planning any further because you’ve no idea what the future might bring.
    They’re also heavily infected with cultural Catholicism, even if not personally religious. Severs the connection between cause & effect. To them, thinking the right thoughts, saying a prayer, little rituals are what bring you “luck” & future prosperity. Things go wrong, it’s always due to some outside agency – someone wished them misfortune, they walked on the cracks in the pavement… who knows? What they don’t have much grasp of is methodically working towards a future goal. Or even looking at themselves & asking whether modifying their own attitudes might be beneficial.
    See how you can end up with a Chavez?

    But re your preferences on the stately home thread, you’ll be pleased to know I’m doing my very best for refugee Venezuelans. A dozen French maid outfits arrived earlier this week.

  17. SMFS

    I think May could certainly increase her majority yet further with a promise to ensure that following the overthrow of the Maduro government,Jones and Abbott (and indeed all those involved in helping the elections on behalf of the Maduro regime) would be extradited to answer for their crimes against the Venezuelan people.

  18. Ah bless, they think Corbyn and Livingstone are against the sort of regime that now governs Venezuela.

    Hell, I’d take bets that Corbyn and Livingstone are taking notes.

  19. Things Guardian readers can do about Venezuela.

    1) Accept that it is, at least partially, your fault.
    2) Kill yourself.

  20. bloke in spain – “Most of the Venezolanas I know, SMfS, are as you put it, “mestizo”.”

    In retrospect that was phrased poorly. I don’t think that Whites assimilate more easily for genetic reasons. Although they may. I think they do so because someone who is not White is constantly reminded that they are living among people who are so much more productive and inventive and successful than they are, they may as well be a different species. It is bound to cause some resentment unless they identify 100% with the White part of their heritage and 100% ignore the non-White part. Only in the West they will have people who insist that because of that non-White part they are victims, they are entitled to money and sympathy, they are purer, more noble – and allowed to do things like rape and murder by way of reparations. It is corrupting.

    “See how you can end up with a Chavez?”

    Sure. Feckless Latins are going to feck. There isn’t much alternative. The culture is too deeply embedded.

    “But re your preferences on the stately home thread, you’ll be pleased to know I’m doing my very best for refugee Venezuelans. A dozen French maid outfits arrived earlier this week.”

    Good to see cultural enrichment we can all support. Although is that cultural appropriation?

  21. SMfS. You’ve already accepted they’re not Latins. They’re, as you put it, “mestizos”.
    I’d say they’re as much victims of Spanish hidalgo ruling class & the Catholic perversion as the peons of Iberia. They fucked up an entire continent, part of another & anywhere else suffered them. They waxed fat on the plunder of their conquests, buying their luxuries whilst keeping their subjects in virtual feudalism. Denying & delaying the Hispanic world the opportunity to develop the commercial & manufacturing base made the northern European peoples prosperous. If they’re not productive & inventive it’s because they’ve never had the incentive to be so.

  22. bloke in spain – “You’ve already accepted they’re not Latins. They’re, as you put it, “mestizos”. …. If they’re not productive & inventive it’s because they’ve never had the incentive to be so.”

    I don’t disagree with most of that. Only I think you can be Latin and of African descent. Asian descent as well. Look at the Philippines.

    There isn’t exactly a lot of cultural or political options that the dastardly White Hispanics are denying everyone else. There is Latin political culture in all those countries and pretty much nothing else. Culture does not descend down from On High. Most of the time anyway. It did with the Spanish Conquest which is a little embarrassing for this comment. It is made up of all the choices of all the people – who have chosen not to be productive or free. They have chosen Chavez.

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