The Democrats have been going mad over this

Even in the comments at Forbes I’ve had people insisting to me that Trump has borrowed from Putin and is owned by the Russian mafia. I’ve been trying to point out that there’s not a shred of truth to this. At least, we’ve not a shred of proof that it is true. And yet they go on. Even when I point out that even if he had borrowed from Russians don’t you think he’s in a position now where he could pretty easily refinance?

Now we get this:

The White House on Friday released a letter from two tax attorneys for President Trump claiming that his only income from Russian sources in the past 10 years came from fees for hosting the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow in 2013, his sale of a Palm Beach mansion to a Russian businessman in 2008 and his company’s routine sales of condo units and rounds of golf to Russians.

The attorneys said that their analysis came from a review of Trump’s tax returns for the past 10 years. However, they did not release the returns or provide any documents to support their claims.

The letter, from lawyers Sheri A. Dillon and William F. Nelson, also asserted that Trump holds no debt from Russian lenders and holds no equity in Russian entities. They explained that because of the way that Trump operates his businesses, his corporate income and debt would be disclosed on his personal tax returns.

They’re still not going to believe it, are they?

43 comments on “The Democrats have been going mad over this

  1. Trump needs to quit playing their games. He can kill the legacy press in a day by just ignoring them. He doesn’t need them. They are lying opposition, not agents of an informed democracy.

  2. I rather think Trump is playing games with the press, and the Dems.
    In the case of tax returns and Russian connections it’ll be like Obama’s birth certificate- let them spend energy and ink going on about it, so they’re not looking anywhere else, release them later to make them look fools.
    A bit like Comey’s firing- let them call for it for six months then do it and induce them to reverse
    Trump got there despite the media, and doesn’t need them, but I guess he’d like to see them discredited.

  3. So both sides are equally capable of total bullshit. Obama was born Muslim in Kenya shit as well. GWB skull and bones conspiracy bullshit before it. Clinton’s sex life before that, as if who fucks who is any of our business.

    I still say “a pox on all their houses”. But I sense Timmy taking sides now.

  4. The progressive left hates Trump. They will continue the drum beat of negative Trump stories forever, and, I might add, regardless of the truth or logic or hypocrisy of the stories. The strategy is simple. The target is not the true believers on the left but rather the general public. And it will work. It is an effective strategy for the long term.

  5. Good points, Pat. Trump is a showman at heart, and he could well be playing the media for his own purposes. Perhaps my problem is I can’t imagine what good he expects to get from all this silliness.

  6. Oh, I think President Trump knows what he’s doing.

    Never put a snowflake politician against someone who has actually achieved something in his or her life.

    Look at the silly, wandering UK Socialists, they’ve mostly been paid by UK Inc. all their lives! They’ve never really had to work for a living!

    Get real snowflakes,

    Bye.

  7. >The progressive left hates Trump.

    “Progressive” is a word that has undergone a 180-degree change of meaning, just like “liberal” – or, indeed, “deplorable”!

  8. I’m sure I can’t remember the BBC being so fixated with Obama when he first got in. Every belch is reported as being a disaster for the USA and the worse belch ever by a US President. FFS the BBC leads its news programmes with Trump as if nothing was happening in the UK or the rest of the world.

  9. What Pat said. Why stop playing press games when you’re winning? And having a whale of a time at it – he clearly loves this stuff.

    His supporters love it too. There’s something immensely satisfying about seeing smug progressive media types – the people who’ve been lecturing us for years about how much more enlightened, urbane and rational they are – reduced to crying, swearing and ranting incoherently about Russia.

    And that’s when they’re not triggered into paroxysms of REEEEEE! by innocuous stuff like Trump posting a picture of himself eating a taco bowl or letting it slip he gets an extra scoop of ice cream because he’s the President.

    It’s trolling as performance art, and it’s absolutely beautiful.

    It would be a mistake to retreat from the media. They’re the enemy, they’re not going to bullycide themselves, and refusing to engage would simply give them more emotional space to craft a consistent narrative to destroy him. Ridiculing them, keeping them distracted with squirrels, making them dance like angry little marionettes is the best strategy.

    There’s a whole bunch of lessons conservatives/libertarians/evil rightwingers should learn from Trump. One of the most important is this: you no longer need to fear the media.

    This isn’t the 80’s anymore. The MSM no longer has a monopoly on political conversation. And they’ve become increasingly shrill and incompetent as they’ve gotten more peevishly leftwing. They’ve squandered most of their reputation, and the public loves seeing an affable, straighttalking leader with a functioning pair of bollocks put them in their place.

  10. “So both sides are equally capable of total bullshit. Obama was born Muslim in Kenya shit as well.” That started from Hellary nine years ago; it’s not a Republican invention.

    “They’re still not going to believe it, are they?” It’s not my first instinct to believe someone called Sherri.

  11. What always seems to be ignored is that is, assuming somehow the current president were to get impeached, then we are stuck with Pence. If somehow both of those get taken down then we get stuck with Ryan. After that comes Hatch. There simply is no way to win.

  12. @The Inimitable Steve, May 13, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    +1

    Excellent post

    @AndrewC, May 13, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    Yep, BBC is an utter disgrace with their blatant anti Brexit, May, Putin,Trump and pro EU, Macron, Merkel bias.

    BBC still ignoring famine, death etc in Venezuela other than some lightweight guff on World Service

  13. Given no one is claiming Russians rigged the actual vote I’m not sure why they think someone releasing truthful information about a candidate invalidates the result regardless of the person leaking the info’s nationality. Ultimately no one is denying the validity of the information so arguing voters being told the truth is unfair seems a strange position

  14. The battle-cry of freedom-lovers everywhere is “we’ve got the Internet now.”

    And the legacy media absolutely hates that.

  15. Bloke in Germany in Denmark – “So both sides are equally capable of total bullshit. Obama was born Muslim in Kenya shit as well. GWB skull and bones conspiracy bullshit before it. Clinton’s sex life before that, as if who fucks who is any of our business.”

    I am not sure it is true that both sides were capable of it. It is, of course, everyone’s business if the President is a lying, perjurying rapist. As Clinton probably was. That is a real issue. Obama himself did claim to be from Kenya – and it was Hillary that ran with it first. So those have some basis in fact.

    But the mainstream Republicans don’t touch this stuff. Even the Kenya thing was by the fringe of the party. Unlike the Russian conspiracy which has been embraced by the Best and the Brightest in the Democratic Party.

  16. “Obama himself did claim to be from Kenya”
    No he didn’t. You’re lying.

    Whereas there’s no doubt at all that Trump’s businesses owe hundreds of millions to various banks. That’s not a good position for the POTUS to be in, and his refusal to release his tax returns makes it worse. Tim’s point that he could use the power of the presidency to refinance doesn’t help.

  17. The Clintons were deeply and nefariously involved with the Russians, to the point of outright treachery. Their money laundering “foundation” was filthy with Russian kickbacks for which the quid pro quo should have landed them both in jail forever. Trump is lily-white by comparison.

  18. That’s not a good position for the POTUS to be in

    What? Owing someone else hundreds of millions of dollars? How is that a weak position for a mulit-billionaire?

    The banks are the ones in the weak position!

  19. Social Justice Warrior – “No he didn’t. You’re lying.”

    Still full of sh!t I see Paul. Yes he did. You’re not lying because you are simply ignorant. Childishly so.

    “Whereas there’s no doubt at all that Trump’s businesses owe hundreds of millions to various banks.”

    Tremble at the wrath of Wells Fargo now they control the government!

  20. The banks are the ones in the weak position!

    Quite. It’s like the old saying, If you owe the bank 2 million that’s your problem. If you owe the bank 200 million that’s the bank’s problem.

  21. Why should Trump’s personal tax returns have anything to say about his business borrowings, Paul?

    And would you care to apologise to SMFS for wrongly calling him a liar?

  22. So both sides are equally capable of total bullshit … Clinton’s sex life before that

    The stuff about Clinton’s sex life was bullshit? I didn’t know that….

  23. The claim about Obama and Kenya is a lie. The only evidence you’ve got is a single promotional booklet. The person who wrote it made a mistake. As abacab’s link makes clear.

  24. Why should Trump’s personal tax returns have anything to say about his business borrowings

    That’s explained in the letter from Trump’s lawyers, linked to in the OP.

  25. “And would you care to apologise to SMFS for wrongly calling him a liar?”

    I’m presuming ‘Paul’ is SJW – why should he apologise? SMFS is lying.

  26. “The editor of the biographical text about Barack Obama which was included in the booklet maintained that the mention of Kenya was an error on her part and was not based on any information provided to her by Obama himself”

    Yeah, right – his literary agent just invented that he was from Kenya. Sounds plausible. They do this all the time, literary agents – just make up stuff about you, and then never run it by you before putting it out. I totally believe it.

    I personally couldn’t give a shit where he was born, and it strikes me that it’s more likely than not that he was trying to claim some Africanness which wasn’t real, but the suggestion that this was all got up by the Republicans is a lie.

  27. Obama is a Marxist stooge regardless of were his carcass was punched out originally.

    Still very likely he lied about it cos he is a lying sack of shite.

    He is as bogus as you are “Jesus”.

  28. This one is simple: if Obama spent 15 years claiming to be from Kenya, then Trump, Fox, and Breitbart between them would have found and published hundreds of examples of Obama saying so. If he didn’t, they’d have none.

    And in fact they’ve got none. You’d have to be mad or a liar persist with this claim.

    Meanwhile, it remains the case that Trump’s companies owe hundreds of millions to various banks, and that he refuses any sort of transparency about these liabilities.

  29. “This one is simple: if Obama spent 15 years claiming to be from Kenya, then Trump, Fox, and Breitbart between them would have found and published hundreds of examples of Obama saying so. If he didn’t, they’d have none.”

    Who said he’d ‘spent 15 years claiming to be from Kenya’? That’s a dishonest phrase all on its own.

    The fact is that he had a conversation with an agent/publisher and chatted about his background, because how else would she have derived the information about him, and she then wrote a biog which said he had been born in Kenya. At that stage, either she didn’t bother sending it to him to check the details – almost unbelievable – or she sent it and he i) didn’t read it, or ii) read it and it was accurate, or iii) read it and it was inaccurate but it served his purposes to lie.

    (I think probably the third is true – he wanted at that stage to be the immigrant from Africa made good, in the same way that Blair wanted to be a Newcastle fan, Brown liked the Arctic Monkeys, Warren was a red Indian and Hillary used black Deep South inflection in speeches to black people… you lot are all middle class wankers and ashamed of it, it’s what drives you.)

    It’s also revealing that you don’t imagine that non-right wing outlets would have bothered to discover the truth. I think you’re right, there.

    As for Trump’s personal tax – bollocks. I am not a Trump fan, you need to go to TiS or Tim for that – and it would not surprise me at all if he was thoroughly bent. But his personal tax return would say nothing about his business loans.

  30. Much as I hate defending Polly’s Viking:

    “Brown liked the Arctic Monkeys”

    He got stiffed there. Someone played him a bit and he said “Well, that’ll certainly get you out of the bed in the morning!” which got reported as “I get out of bed to them in the morning”

  31. This one is simple: if Obama spent 15 years claiming to be from Kenya, then Trump, Fox, and Breitbart between them would have found and published hundreds of examples of Obama saying so. If he didn’t, they’d have none.

    Just like they’ve been able to do with his thesis.

  32. I think probably the third is true – he wanted at that stage to be the immigrant from Africa made good, in the same way that Blair wanted to be a Newcastle fan, Brown liked the Arctic Monkeys, Warren was a red Indian and Hillary used black Deep South inflection in speeches to black people… you lot are all middle class wankers and ashamed of it, it’s what drives you.

    This.

  33. Who said he’d ‘spent 15 years claiming to be from Kenya’? That’s a dishonest phrase all on its own.

    Gamecock: He claimed it for 15 years

    his personal tax return would say nothing about his business loans

    Trump’s lawyers: Because you operate these businesses almost exclusively through sole proprietorships, S-corporations, and/or partnerships, your personal federal income tax returns reflect income that is owned by these entities, as well as income that you directly earned or interest that you paid or received.

    It’s reassuring in a sense to be told by Trump’s supporters that his lawyers are lying on his behalf.

  34. You were replying to me, not Gamecock. You still don’t address the question of how the mini biography came to be written.

    Income is not the same as debt. Show me his lawyers saying the loans owed by his businesses will be visible on his tax return.

  35. Oh and I explicitly said I’m not one of his supporters. You are dishonest. But we knew that – you’re a socialist.

  36. …or interest that you paid…

    If you think the lawyers are dissembling, your argument is with Tim in the OP, not with me.
    .

  37. I’m not saying that the lawyers are dissembling, I’m saying that you are when you write:

    ‘Whereas there’s no doubt at all that Trump’s businesses owe hundreds of millions to various banks. That’s not a good position for the POTUS to be in, and his refusal to release his tax returns makes it worse.’

    This suggests that releasing his personal tax returns will shed light on his businesses’ borrowings, which it will not.

  38. Did you read the OP?

    [The lawyers] explained that because of the way that Trump operates his businesses, his corporate income and debt would be disclosed on his personal tax returns.

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