Not good, not good

At least nineteen concert-goers were killed last night and 50 injured in what was being treated as a terror attack when an explosion hit the Manchester Arena at the end of a pop show.

Witnesses described hearing a huge bang shortly after 10.30pm at the entrance to the Arena as thousands of people made their way out of a concert by the American singer Ariana Grande.

Police were last night reportedly looking into the possibility a suicide bomber had carried out deadly attack, but there was no official confirmation.

Wonder who will pop up to claim this?

113 comments on “Not good, not good

  1. Relieved to find out from a friend whose daughter irks in the music PR business and is often at these concerts that she wasn’t there, she was on another assignment.

    My heart goes out to the family and friends of those who were killed and a speedy recovery for those injured.

    This will leave mental scars for a very long time.

  2. Well we are not (yet) being reminded that Islam is a religion of peace. Or that “community leaders” fear backlash.

    Maybe even the press and politicians have realised it’s wearing thin.

  3. I do wish the politicians and celebrities who have “thoughts and prayers” on a day like this could go into the arena now and look at what is before them. Then toddle off and meet the relatives and tell them that this makes us stronger, pulls us together and makes us stronger.

    We might get some change then. Otherwise just sit back and wait for next time.

  4. Just thought I’d take a look and yep, Ritchie achieves full cunt status again today.

  5. Close the mosques, send the fuckers back to their 3rd world shitholes and then nuke the lot of ’em.

  6. Noel, unfortunately there’s always a few relatives who have been sufficiently brainwashed that they can say don’t hate the people who killed there children, or that we need to use this to learn from each other. And that’s always the relative that gets interviewed on Beeb. It’s never the ones who say send anyone born in an Islamic country home and shut down all the mosques.

  7. They say a week’s a long time in politics. For IRA/Hamas supporting Jeremy Corbyn, one day is an age away.

  8. Neil Scoper +1 on your first comment.

    They either can’t or won’t see what is staring them right in the face.

  9. I wonder how many bleeding heart socialists there are in Manchester. Not so many as in London, I guess. There may be some trouble ahead.

    I see ISIL is celebrating on social media, which will also exacerbate the situation.

  10. “Of course, and rightly, they block immediate concern over other issues.”

    Only immediate concern. Later today we’ll get back to the importance of ME!

    “I reflected then on why society felt it worthwhile paying a bunch of fairly bright people to come to events like the one I am at in Brussels”

    I’m bright, don’t you know!

    “The cynic could, of course, say that this is an exercise in aggrandisement by the politicians.”

    The irony.

    “After all, doesn’t the study of politics and political economy suggest that what they are doing is significant, and no one in politics is without an ego?”

    Bronzy, Irony, all the same.

    “The conclusion, which is personally significant as I am relatively new in this academic field”

    …because you are not an academic

    “Whether or not the question can be definitively answered is not as important as asking it.”

    Yep, just get paid, but never solve the problem.

    “the Glibal Financial Crisis”

    Are you drunk?

    “Most of life is to me about answering the question ‘what is it all about?’ Directly or indirectly I suspect that is true for many others. At one time priests tried to supply the answers for many people.”

    Worship me for I am your saviour!

    “I am not seeking to self justify my inclusion in such a group by coming to this conclusion.”

    Oh such modesty, of course you are you cunt.

    “And what has this to do with Manchester, and the pain and grief that will be all too apparent today?”

    Yes, just today. The dead will be forgotten by their families tomorrow. They will be back to worrying about your exciting research by then.

    “I make no pretence at all that it does make the world of those whose lives have forever been changed any different today. But….”

    Go on great leader, tell us….

    “how we are so fractured that some want to so violently disrupt the lives of others in ways that almost everyone else will find so appalling”

    Dunno, you believe in Sky Fairies, you tell us.

    “What is obvious is that commonality is what is in short supply.”

    You are right. Common belief in not blowing up people we don’t like for example.

    “As Jo Cox was fond of saying…”

    CLANG!

    “A tragedy has happened.I recommend that we keep asking why, and that we try to find answers in common.”

    Not actual answers though, as those can’t be spoken about.

    Fuck off you self centred, self important, ignorant pile of shit.

  11. It wasn’t a very successful policy, was it, to permit mass immigration from Moslem countries, and then to wage pointless wars on Moslem countries?

    The combination was astonishingly stupid.

  12. When do we get to call the inspiration behind this evil and remove all traces of its associated ideology and culture? To all practical purposes racism, sexism and homophobia have been removed from the public space within a generation: why not Islam?

  13. Noel Scoper – “We might get some change then. Otherwise just sit back and wait for next time.”

    Every time they say this makes us stronger and we can’t let the terrorists win, what they mean is that they are going to do nothing to stop, prevent or punish these attacks.

    Nothing at all.

    That won’t change next time. But it will change. We need an ethnically homogeneous Britain once more.

  14. No doubt plod all over the UK is concentrating on cracking down on any signs of ‘Islamaphobia’.

  15. Jezza has condemned the attack, seems a bit strange for someone who has shared so many platforms with terrorists.

  16. Corbyn condemns it because that increases his chances of winning the election. The end always justifies the means with these people…

    I hope Ironman is watching this thread to make sure no-one commits offences of islamophobia or general racism.

  17. “London’s mayor, Sadiq Khan, has confirmed that security is being reviewed and stepped up in the capital.

    “I am in constant contact with the Metropolitan police, who are reviewing security arrangements in London. Londoners will see more police on our streets,” he said.”

    Stable door, horse…

    And I thought we all had to ‘get used’ to terror attacks, Khan?

  18. “The cynic could, of course, say that this is an exercise in aggrandisement by the politicians.”

    This is an exercise in aggrandisement by the politicians.

  19. Dearime, the problem was that Europe had the policy of letting them all in while America had the policy of attacking them.

  20. I’ve little sympathy left for the victims of these attacks. They vote for and support “multi-culturalism” even when they know it means rapes, bombs and murders. They just assume it will be other people far away who pay that price. Nope, it’s you this time. And having had their neighbours and friends murdered they’ll go right ahead and vote how they always have, for more of this shit.

  21. ” We need an ethnically homogeneous Britain once more.”

    No we don’t. We need a Britain without Islam, which has zilch to do with race, as its an ideology. Just as in 1939 we decided we needed a Europe without Nazism, we need to make a similar decision about Islam.

  22. May will try the same line as the French because she is BluLabour.

    We need to make it very clear that we will not tolerate this kind of shite nor will we allow our nation to be turned into a police state to “solve” a problem that the political scum caused in the first place.

    so:

    1No more imports of RoP or Subsahara AT ALL–EVER. including family reunions.
    2-Those here lose the vote. Plus no new migrants of ANY kind to get the vote until their family have been in the UK 100 years.
    3-No more subsidized breeding. Marriages recognised in UK law and bigamy charges applied. You arrive with 4 wives you get arrested and have the choice of jail/divorce or leaving. Benefits enough for ONLY 1 woman and 2 kids –not a penny more.
    4-All state snooping and repression to fall on the “community” that is the origin of the problem.
    5-For any who don’t like the new reality a small bounty to permanently leave the UK with their families and never be allowed to return,
    6-Full and immediate deportation of malefactors without concern for int’l law. RoP followers out of UK jails–where they are organised–into prison camps where they can await deportation without causing more trouble.

    I urge that anybody reading this write to May and make it clear that she has another problem now besides Brexit.

    We aren’t the French or German cucks. We won’t tolerate this kind of killing and we won’t tolerate a police state on the bogus claim that non-bombing and killing native Britons have anything to do with this problem.

    Political scum caused this mess and they are going to pay for it.

    And piss on all cultural Marxism that tries to hide the truth.

  23. @dearieme

    “It wasn’t a very successful policy, was it, to permit mass immigration from Moslem countries, and then to wage pointless wars on Moslem countries?

    The combination was astonishingly stupid.”

    And that’s Corbyn’s (et al) reasons for nonintervention. Maybe if we ignore then they’ll go away.

    Perfectly valid approach. Especially for people like Methodists. They don’t subscribe to a belief system that enshrines holy war as a way of spreading. I mean, it won’t actually work in this specific Islamic instance, but that’s leftist ideology for you.

    May is a bit depressing, all that muddleheaded pragmatism, but I at least get the idea that she’d try to sort shit out.

  24. Mr Black,

    That’s unfair. There’s lots of people who want less muslims coming here. I’d actually argue that most people would be glad to be rid of them.

    It really doesn’t matter what the politicians do: smashing terror networks, deportations, executions, but the current candlelit vigils/religion of peace talk/working with “community leaders” clearly isn’t working. And the public expects results, not platitudes.

  25. JuliaM – “And I thought we all had to ‘get used’ to terror attacks, Khan?”

    It is an interesting way of reconciling his friends with his voters.

    Jim – “No we don’t. We need a Britain without Islam, which has zilch to do with race, as its an ideology. Just as in 1939 we decided we needed a Europe without Nazism, we need to make a similar decision about Islam.”

    Yeah we do. It is not just an ideology. It is a cultural as well as an ethnic issue. We have no problems with White Muslims as a general rule. Anglo-Saxons, of whatever religion, pose little threat. Non-Whites, on the other hand, are looking for a justification of the hate they hold for us. Hence Jamaican terrorism killed Lee Rigby. Most of them, though, simply prey on us through crime. Same hatred, different expression.

  26. “the problem was that Europe had the policy of letting them all in while America had the policy of attacking them.” NATO troops in Afghanistan, British troops in Iraq , French-coordinated attack on Libya, only the Commons stopping Cameron’s desire to attack Syria … So not only the Yanks. Remember, too, that “Saint” Jo Cox was all for attacking Syria (though her career-mindedness ensured that she abstained in the crucial vote, rather than voting for the attack she’d been agitating for.)

    And the attacks are all so bloody feeble – enough to stir up trouble but not enough to squash it. Could anything be more bone-headed than America’s choices in Afghanistan? Nation-fucking-building, indeed.

  27. You can’t get a non halal Subway in Manchester. We have already lost to this religion of intolerance.

  28. No we haven’t lost.

    But the time to stand up is here. Far too many have decided “It won’t be in my lifetime” etc.

    It will be– so now is the time.

    Write one letter to May and one to your MP. 10-20 million people writing 2 letters each would make a huge shift in the landscape. The Poli-pigs would know they can’t play lets-pretend-there-is-no-problem any more.

  29. We’re fucked. There’s simply no way any UK government will do what is needed, and if they did the RoP’ers would go batshit anyway.

    We have utterly fucked our kids and grandkids. All because we didn’t have the moral courage to tell people to fuck off when they called us racists for noticing things.

  30. BiWilts: And the public expects results, not platitudes.

    Unless you’ve got that the wrong way round, the public are going to be disappointed in their expectation.

  31. In offices and businesses all over the UK, people will be being very careful about what they say today – as the HR department and their informants will be listening.

  32. “It is not just an ideology. It is a cultural as well as an ethnic issue. We have no problems with White Muslims as a general rule. Anglo-Saxons, of whatever religion, pose little threat. Non-Whites, on the other hand, are looking for a justification of the hate they hold for us. Hence Jamaican terrorism killed Lee Rigby. Most of them, though, simply prey on us through crime. Same hatred, different expression.”

    Nonsense. Islam kills people regardless of their race. It kills brown people in countries where brown people are not Islamic, and it kills white people in countries where white people are not Islamic. Its very tenets tell its adherents that non believers (regardless of race) are lesser beings and deserving of death if necessary. By far the greatest number of people killed by Islam are non white.

    We have no need to start a race war in this country. We just need to rid ourselves of Islam.

  33. What about working out what these monsters are trying to achieve and then doing the opposite?
    They want a Palestinian state? Right let’s arm Bibi, tell Likud and Shas to crack on. We don’t care what you do with the Gazans.
    They oppose our freedoms? Carry on liberalising. Gay rights parades, everything they oppose bring it on.
    But that’s the scary thing.I am not sure the average towelhead terrorist really knows what they want.

  34. It’s worth pondering how remarkably civilised W. Europeans have become. In virtually every other culture on the planet, it’d now be “bracing for the backlash” if the riots & ethnic violence wasn’t already underway. And it is W. European culture not geography, as the recent riots in US cities & the London rioting & looting, couple years back, indicate.
    Maybe the restraint’s counter-productive. It wouldn’t take much more than a couple days “ethnic unrest” by W. Europeans to stop Moslem immigration dead in its tracks. Or to push the flood in the other direction

  35. “That’s unfair. There’s lots of people who want less muslims coming here. I’d actually argue that most people would be glad to be rid of them.”

    Then why didn’t they vote for UKIP when they had the chance? How did voting for “open-doors” Labour help?

    “I am not sure the average towelhead terrorist really knows what they want.”

    Mainly, they want to be in charge. Most of them want some sort of Islamic State. But mostly it’s about them wanting to be top dogs.

  36. BiW, I know you’re right. There are many who are sick of islam. But they are not sick enough of it yet to do anything but whisper about it. And there are plenty left who want yet more of it. So let’s continue the slaughter until everyone knows someone who was killed or raped and see if at that point the population has had enough of it to do something real.

  37. What astounds me is that you have people tweeting “I can’t begin to understand how someone could do this.” And yet the very same people will explain how all people everywhere are fundamentally the same.

  38. The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.

    As an unperson once remarked.

  39. Mr Black,

    When we start learning about the victims in this case, I think we’ll find many have not voted yet. To the extent that there is any relativity in such matters, this attack is particularly pernicious in terms of its target audience.

  40. Twitter has a fairly large number of left-wing lunatics who believe it was a false flag attach by the Government to boost May’s flagging poll ratings after Corbyn’s “surge”.

    There’s a lot of mental illness out there.

  41. Tel,

    “Then why didn’t they vote for UKIP when they had the chance? How did voting for “open-doors” Labour help?”

    People vote for all sorts of reasons.

    There’s going to be a day, not long from now, when people will just say “fine” when they get called racists for opposing more Islam.

  42. For once, I don’t believe that Mr. Ecks goes far enough. To his list I would like to add the following.

    1) Immediate ban of the Burka.
    2) Banning of Halal slaughter on animal rights grounds.
    3) Immediate moratorium on the building of new mosques.
    4) Demolition without compensation of mosques connected to terrorists.
    5) Withdrawal of passport followed by immediate deportation of all relatives and dependants of anyone convicted of terror offenses.
    6) The capping of child benefits to the first two children only.
    7) Immediate cessation of immigration from Muslim majority nations.
    8) a tax audit to be held for Muslim families. In cases where the family has, over several years, consistently received more in benefits than they have made in contributions their British passport should be revoked.
    9) A fund should be established which can purchase assets and assist with repatriation for anyone who wishes to leave – even perhaps paying compensation.
    10) Make it crystal clear that, in the event of another terrorist outrage from the Muslim community, the government will serve 48 hours notice of its intention to launch a Trident missile targeted against the Kaaba in the Great Mosque of Mecca and that we plan to turn their holiest site into a big glass bowl.

    I think the time for pussyfooting around with these arseholes is long gone. It’s time to get Anglo-Saxon on them.

  43. “People vote for all sorts of reasons.”

    Sure, but if they keep voting for open-doors parties then they can’t be that bothered about Muslims blowing people up.

    Mr Black was right. These voters always assumed it would be others who paid the price of the policies they were voting for. Now it’s them, will they finally wake up?

  44. “It’s time to get Anglo-Saxon on them.”

    As in ancient Anglo-Saxon? The modern Anglo-Saxon response is to have a diversity conference.

  45. It’s OK people. Mayor Burnham is on the case. He’s getting into action and organising a vigil. Tea lights. That’ll show the jihadis.

  46. All three parties came together to condemn the attack and added that the security services are doing all they can.

    Mr Duncan Smith insisted: “I’ve sat in the Cobra meetings and I have talked to those that head up MI5 and MI6 and they will tell you that they are foiling attacks like this on a daily basis.

    “Please don’t assume that this has got through because we’re slack. We are in debt to our security services and our police forces,” the Conservative MP reassured.

    Rewind: “I’ve sat in the Cobra meetings and I have talked to those that head up MI5 and MI6 and they will tell you that they are foiling attacks like this on a daily basis.”

    Rewind: “…they are foiling attacks like this on a daily basis.”

    Rewind: “…attacks like this on a daily basis.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/808073/Manchester-Terror-Attack-Piers-Morgan-GMB-politicians-Iain-Duncan-Smith-Chuka-Umunna

  47. I see Katie Hopkins has got herself in trouble again today for saying what half the country is thinking. Handwringers outraged that some Muslims might get offended by words while our children are dead on the street.

  48. BiW: “There’s going to be a day, not long from now, when people will just say “fine” when they get called racists for opposing more Islam.”

    That day came a while ago for me.

  49. “they are foiling attacks like this on a daily basis.”

    How does that help calm people? If it’s true then there’s been roughly 3650 foiled attacks in the last decade. If true, that is horryifying, and should bring an immediate end to Muslim immigration.

    It also means there are thousands, possibly tens of thousands, of terrorists in the UK actively plotting, making bombs, buying guns, and making plans to use them against us. Where are they? Why aren’t they in jail? Are they in secret MI6 detention centres? Are you telling me that thousands of Muslims are disppearing and no-one notices? Or are they still in the community, plotting away?

    So this is either deliberate lying by the government, or a true, atrocious fact that demands immediate, radical action.

  50. Since we have imported an aspect of non British culture, and find it causing problems, perhaps by importing another aspect we might minimise the problems.
    Find the families of the perpetrators and their enablers and disappear them.
    No it’s not British- but neither is mass murder of innocents. Nor is a suicide attack
    Of course the immigrants might change their culture to accord with ours, or they might leave. Either way the problem lessens.

  51. Mr Black writes:

    “I’ve little sympathy left for the victims of these attacks. They vote for and support “multi-culturalism” even when they know it means rapes, bombs and murders. They just assume it will be other people far away who pay that price. Nope, it’s you this time. And having had their neighbours and friends murdered they’ll go right ahead and vote how they always have, for more of this shit.”

    Some of the victims are very young girls, not those old enough to vote or even think about such horrors.

    Look, I get the broader point, but FFS, think before you hit the keyboard. Go and make a coffee or something.

  52. Mr Pants–

    No more Mosques and likewise Halal –yes.

    But no action on Burkers(sic). It should not be up to the scum of the state to tell people how to dress and it is a cosmetic exercise beloved of those who want to pretend to be “doing something” about RoP takeover while actually doing nothing of any use. Remember that May is already an arrogant authoritarian cow who thinks BluLab are going to takeover and control the Internet. We do not want a police state as the price of saving ourselves esp when–with BluLab in charge (or ZaNu or the Limp Dicks) it would be a RoP -sucking police state and save nobody except elite political scum who are in no danger anyway .

    The other issue is action against the Saudis. Their corrupt cash is financing most of the shit that is going on. Time to at least consider one last regime change and confiscating most of their cash as reparations. But since the Elite is floating on lots of Saudi cash this may be moot.

    Also we really don’t want to be firing nukes unless it is absolutely necessary. As a general rule.

  53. “Then why didn’t they vote for UKIP when they had the chance? How did voting for “open-doors” Labour help?”

    Because of a total lack of confidence it’d make any difference. UKIP aren’t, in any probability available, going to form a majority government. And there’s no expectation the prospective MPs of any of the other parties would favour policies widely different from the current. So the topic’s effectively an electoral no go area. There’s nobody to vote for on the issue.

  54. I don’t know where this will end. Maybe with the collapse of our democracy – who knows, via some sort of military takeover – maybe in something more like the end of the IRA, maybe some other way altogether. I don’t expect a Para Reg coup, but I also unfortunately don’t favour the PIRA option because at least PIRA had a recognisable political objective and, moreover, one they didn’t want to die for, or oil-rich state sponsors, or ghettos in which to operate. Maybe it won’t end and as Sadiq Khan said, we just have to get used to it.

    I do fear that the time is coming when people will fight back against what they perceive to be the enemy. There are no fucking police, after all – they will be able to investigate one mosque being firebombed, but a hundred? I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am.

    It’s very worrying. Used to be that you were laughed at for saying ‘Enoch was right’, and I was probably one of those doing the laughing. But if this isn’t a river of blood it’s a damned good trickle.

  55. I must say I’ve been feeling awful about this all day and then:

    Also we really don’t want to be firing nukes unless it is absolutely necessary. As a general rule.

    Ecksy being the voice of reason brought a smile to my face.

  56. >>Then why didn’t they vote for UKIP when they had the chance? How did voting for “open-doors” Labour help?
    >
    >Because of a total lack of confidence it’d make any difference. UKIP aren’t, in any probability available, going to form a majority government.”

    If enough people had voted for UKIP ten years ago then a difference could have been made. Better than voting for Labour or Tory, anyway. (Too late now, of course, UKIP is screwed.)

  57. @DJ

    “I must say I’ve been feeling awful about this all day”

    Dunno about you, but the awful I feel is frustration and powerlessness.

    We can’t really speak out – cops, informants and HR depts have seen to that.

    We can’t withhold the lifeblood of taxes that sustains our enemies. The public sector steals from us and uses the proceeds to support those that wish us harm.

    We can’t arm ourselves.

    The police are only interested in shutting down free speech and enforcing petty traffic regulations.

  58. I’m also done with this fucking moderate Muslim shite. When Pol Pot was at his worse excesses if someone had said to me “I disagree with the killing fields but the Khmer Rouge general philosophy is alright” I’d have called them a cunt.

  59. Cynic,

    My first feeling is that I just want to grab my daughter and hold her tight but I can’t because they’re on holiday while I’m away on a business trip.

    Then the anger comes. Just let or what you’re saying. Speak out in the UK and you’re arrested. Katie Hopkins already been reported to the police for being offensive and they haven’t even identified all the victims yet.

    Thankfully in China at least they don’t fuck around with these kind of cunts. Possibly the only thing I agree with the CCP on!

  60. Noel

    ‘Fuck off you self centred, self important, ignorant pile of shit.’

    Deserves to be his epitaph on the flight to Pyongyang – I cannot think of a less appropriate response to the events of last night. Needs to be widely broadcasted…..

  61. Keep going.

    Write 2 letters. One to your MP and one to May.

    No need for verbal abuse. Just tell them that you have had enough of their tolerance for immigration and the horrors it is bringing us./ Tell them that it must stop and measures–mine perhaps or any others of your own design–MUST be applied. Tell her it doesn’t matter if they have been undermining us on the orders of some global elite or from their own cowardice and cultural Marxism. IT MUST STOP.

    Likewise tell them that you won’t take any police-state crap from them as a “response” to what’s going on.

    Imagine what 20 million such –physical rather than electronic—letters arriving at Dumb St would do. May and her crew –or ALL the 650 would have to be changing their underpants on an hourly basis.

    Write 2 letters and pass the idea on to all your friends. It is the numbers that will do the trick.

    If you want to write to the Home Office to demand the release of their info about the death of Kevin Crehan that would shake the bastards up a bit as well.

    I have to go out for the rest of the day but my letters will be posted by teatime tomorrow.

  62. Hence Jamaican terrorism killed Lee Rigby.

    They were Nigerians, something I thought was as much a factor as Islam. It barely got mentioned.

  63. “Mr Duncan Smith insisted: “I’ve sat in the Cobra meetings and I have talked to those that head up MI5 and MI6 and they will tell you that they are foiling attacks like this on a daily basis.”

    Religion of Peace…lone wolves…nothing to see here…foiling attacks on a daily basis…small minority spoiling it for the rest…nothing to do with Islam…foiling attacks on a daily basis…

    A discordant note enters the Progressive Chant.

  64. The second named dead girl is an eighteen-year-old student, Georgina Callander.

    Her twitter feed (@emiliesatwell) is all about how excited she was to be going to this gig.

    Three days ago she retweeted a guy who had himself tweeted Ivanka Trump thusly: ‘Your dad literally tried to ban a religion from entering the US.’

    The rest of her feed – as far as I could bear to read – is a monument to triviality. The poor kid knew everything about One Direction, and nothing about the people who would kill her.

  65. We can’t really speak out – cops, informants and HR depts have seen to that.

    Much as though I don’t like the IRA, their aims, or methods they were actually prepared to deal with all of the above. If these things matter, they’ll start turning up dead in back alleys like they did in NI. Until then, get used to monthly attacks.

  66. The poor kid knew everything about One Direction, and nothing about the people who would kill her.

    Would she have learned if she’d made it to 40? My own Facebook feeds suggests not.

  67. “Its very tenets tell its adherents that non believers (regardless of race) are lesser beings and deserving of death if necessary.”

    True this. A “moderate” Muslim is like a moderate Nazi.

    “Katie Hopkins already been reported to the police for being offensive and they haven’t even identified all the victims yet.”

    People with books that say they should kill you go free. Katie Hopkins in trouble.

    Public practice of Islam should be banned in the West. Possession of a Koran should be a felony. All non-citizen Muslims should be expelled. ALL. You cannot determine which one will kill and which won’t.

    Citizen Muslims should have substantial restrictions placed on any utterance concerning Islam. Any such utterance should be treated as conspiracy to commit murder.

    The decadence of the Left is insanity.

    ‘Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. – Albert Einstein

  68. Here’s another thing that doesn’t add up. In 2001 my leftist friends were all saying that the invasion of Iraq would be a disaster because, essentially, the Middle East was full of millions of murderous religious nutters who will kill each other given half a chance. They didn’t quite put it like that, but that was the gist of it. They seemed to have an even dimmer view of the sand jockeys than I did.

    But later on these same leftists were insisting that we let in any number of people from the Middle East who want to come to western countries. Apparently these people are decent, kind, non-violent people who just want to live in peace and harmony amongst other religions. The fact that this depiction in no way coheres with their earlier description is ignored.

    (Of course,they might say that all the people we’re letting in are the nice, sane ones trying to escape the religious nutters. But that doesn’t seem to be true.)

  69. Noel,

    Dr. Keith Crainshraw (one of ours?) is in top form:

    Fine words Richard. It will indeed be of comfort to those who have lost loved ones that you and other bright academics are working so hard to find the answers you crave. Let’s hope you find it soon before such tragedy strikes again.

  70. Katie Hopkins was one hundred per cent right, we need a final solution. We don’t have to gas the PedoMo cultists, but we do need a solution that once and for all stops them killing innocent people in the west and causing us to compromise on our values. Basically, that has to involve followers of Islam not living in any western democracy, they need to go and practice their ridiculous, barbaric, Medieval ideology in their third world shitholes.

  71. The poor kid knew everything about One Direction, and nothing about the people who would kill her.

    Fucking heartbreaking. Our children are being murdered while our leaders are telling us it’s our fault. Fuck this bullshit.

  72. Pointing out on the gernerally right of center ukpolitics sub Reddit that the mayor of London thinks this is something we should live with currently has me a net 10 down votes. The country is fucked. I ain’t going back.

  73. The only solution to this problem is to deport or otherwise muslims from the UK and stop further immigration from Islamic countries. This is because never ending war against the unbeliever is an intrinsic part of Islam, and any muslim demographic contains some people who feel strongly enough about it to act upon it, as well as a larger number of quiet enablers and supporters.

    This kind of action will of course never happen because politicians are cowards, and so terrorism will continue.

    Would be nice to have some actual leadership for a change.

  74. That Katie Hopkins article is spot on. All day all I’ve wanted is to see my daughter on the vid chat so I know she’s ok, even though I know she’s the other side of the world from this horror. I want her here in bed with me so I know she’s safe. These poor families who have lost their children today, I can’t imagine what they are going through. Fuck this shit. Our ‘leaders’ have failed us. They’ll continue to make excuses as our little ones are mercilessly murdered in our own country. It’s fucking war as far as I’m concerned. We’re humans, we’ll kill to protect our children.

  75. Thing is, if you do anything then you will be isolated and destroyed, then your actions will be used as the excuse for a whole new bunch of draconian measures designed to monitor and prevent angry response from the host population.

  76. Tel,

    “How does that help calm people? If it’s true then there’s been roughly 3650 foiled attacks in the last decade. If true, that is horryifying, and should bring an immediate end to Muslim immigration.”

    It’s around 3100 arrests since 2001. Over half of which self-identify as Muslims for a population of around 6%.

    But… nothing to see here…

  77. > 3100 arrests since 2001
    Arrests mean nothing. How many of them are or were locked up?

  78. Can’t answer that, but the latest statistical bulletin from the Govt shows that there are 12,825 Muslims in UK jails, or 15.2% of the population. They rather outperform their 4.4% representation in the population as a whole – Ironman told me it was because Islamophobia drives them to steal mobile phones and sell heroin.

  79. Governments are instituted amongst men to provide for mutual protection. The British government has failed in this prime duty. They are more interested in protecting aliens than their own people. The people should demand a new government.

  80. @Gamecock,

    As many have noticed, the government is instead busy electing a new people.

  81. “Words fail me.”

    But not me; we pay the price for the stupidity and recklessness of our rulers.

  82. In the West these outrages seem quite specific to deviants from the Sunni branch of Islam. Never Ahmadiyya ( who sound like the Muslim equivalent of the CofE to me ). And very unlikely to be Shia. Can we get any more forensic, I wonder.

  83. Bear in mind this started after the yanks helped the Afghans throw the Soviets out. It got.worse after we threw out a.secular dictator. It got worse again when other secular dictators fell.
    Never do Muslims a favour, they don’t repay with kindness.

  84. This atrocity has happened before, and sadly it will happen again. More, the targets increasingly will like Manchester be those too young to demand wars or even doubt the veracity of some god.

    This is the result of what we have become. Our so-called leaders have proved themselves to be either stupid or mendacious, our police appear to be ineffective (or have been deliberately neutered) and our media complicit in the decline of the very society that has rewarded them handsomely for having ‘opinions.’ So we aren’t going to get sincerity, security or sense.

    It has been said that there is no question to which the religion that-dare-not-be-named provides an answer. But we have it here, its non-integrating masses will not go and we are told they must be part of our society. Worse, an increasing part. So expect this again, and again, and again…

  85. “Check out his timeline, he’s done a big service to Manchester. I didn’t realise there were any Republicans left in Hollywood.”

    James Woods was quite open about the fact that openly expressing his views would end his career.

  86. I don’t believe in an afterlife, but I hope this guy gets his wish of meeting his 72 virgins and when he looks down he finds his dick has turned green and drooped off. He can the spend the rest of eternity being pointed at and laughed at be 72 virgins.

    No idea who James Woods is but good on ‘im. There’s also a good comment on there: immigration without assimilation is invasion.

  87. “No idea who James Woods is ”

    He’s had some good roles, Any Given Sunday, Nixon, Casino. Very good at playing someone who is a bit of a git, which is a hard role to pull off.

  88. Very good at playing someone who is a bit of a git, which is a hard role to pull off.

    It’s the ‘bit’ which is difficult because if you are a lefty twat, like most actors, you are a whole lot of a git.

  89. Seriously write the letters lads.

    If May gets 10,000 letters from the likes of me she can ignore them. If she gets 10 million letters -or more better still–she and the entire Westmonster crew will shit their pants Brexit style.

  90. Bloke in Germany – “As many have noticed, the government is instead busy electing a new people.”

    Oddly enough that is an argument beloved of many here when applied to other political issues. That Europe will cease to be a problem when the old British population dies off and the new younger partly immigrant population takes over for instance. The same with racism and sexism.

    Odd how that works.

  91. Jim – “Nonsense. Islam kills people regardless of their race. It kills brown people in countries where brown people are not Islamic, and it kills white people in countries where white people are not Islamic.”

    Sure but Islam is not a zombie that climbs out of a crypt and goes looking for victims. It needs to find a population of people who will listen to it and follow through. In the West, those people are usually non-Whites who have been told that they are victims of Western Imperialism and racism and that Whites are evil people who deserve to die. By White Western leftists by and large.

    As long as we host large hostile populations they will find a justification for violence. If not Islam, something else. Britain’s Jews, for instance, found it in Marxist-Leninism.

    “We have no need to start a race war in this country. We just need to rid ourselves of Islam.”

    We will still have those Trots of Jewish origin who hate us. We will still have those Blacks who prey on the rest of us because they hate us. And some of them will turn to Islam because they will find it on the internet. The problem is not the justification so much as the fact they hate us. Cheap justifications are not hard to come by.

  92. “If May gets 10,000 letters from the likes of me she can ignore them. If she gets 10 million letters -or more better still–she and the entire Westmonster crew will shit their pants Brexit style”

    She won’t ever get 10 Million letter Ecks. People just will not do it.

  93. DocBud: “It’s the ‘bit’ which is difficult because if you are a lefty twat, like most actors, …”

    Nothing ‘lefty’ about James Woods!

  94. Ten million letters would be quite something (and possibly help Royal Mail not lose so much this month) but who in their right mind would put their name and address on a letter like this? Our ‘authorities’ are geared up to curbing the indigenous population, so putting your details on paper merely has a file opened — or added to — in one’s name.

    Remember, we are expected to take the hatred we are white, privileged and guilty of so many past crimes. Any squeak from us may well be reported and noted. The state is not your friend, though you may not expect it to be your enemy.

  95. I’m well aware of that, JuliaM, my point being that it is a rare skill because most actors are lefty twats.

  96. Watcher–That’s no excuse. They aren’t up to opening 10 million files.

    Anyway better to try something than sit there and whine about how there is nothing we can do.

  97. Tomsmith–OK but if they don’t care about their kids and the future fuck em and they can stop whining about being blown up then.

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