So she lost the election then?

Hillary Clinton says she beat Donald Trump in the election
Daily Mail – ‎17 hours ago‎
Clinton, who received almost three million more votes than her reality television host opponent, was denied the presidency because she lost the electoral college count 304 to 227.

Given that it is the Electoral College which, by design, decides the election. Sorta like some other system, it’s a majority in the House of Commons that matters, not of the votes cast.

37 comments on “So she lost the election then?

  1. Having read the whole article​ yesterday, it’s clear that she doesn’t understand why she lost and doesn’t even believe that she really did lose, even against Obama!

    What a strange woman, and what a bizarre attitude for a senior politician.

  2. Yes but this is a wafer thin mandate and a democracy is not the same thing as a majoritarian dictatorship , …
    Well I say that but then as we have decided to abandon democracy and replace it with mob rule perhaops I am out of date .
    Stupid is the new clever !
    Yay for Brexit

  3. She’s still not shaken off that cough caused by … pneumonia? Autumn allergies? What was it claimed to be?

  4. Democracy ends when the losing side doesn’t accept the results.

    ‘Well I say that but then as we have decided to abandon democracy’

    Go fuck yourself, Newmania. Democracy is good, hence, you are evil.

  5. A bit like saying wales won the last rugby World Cup because they had the fastest swimmers

    Different contest, and if that had been the contest everyone would have approached it differently- selected different teams, and prepared differently

  6. Good news for Trump though. The longer this delusional women stays on the scene the less opportunity there is for the Dems to find a viable candidate next time round. Hey they might even put her up again.

  7. Whats rather amusing is that all lefties I know are fans of West Wing. In the final few episodes Joh nearly has a nervous breakdown trying to figure out which States to campaign in to secure the Electoral College.

    They don’t even learn from their favourite political heroes.

    (Mrs BiND, not a lefty, is on her 3rd or 4th viewing of the series, I think I know all the programs by heart. )

  8. Firefoxx,

    And blaming Comey and the press. She committed a federal crime. Comey did what he had to do and investigate, and yeah, the press reported on a presidential candidate being investigated for a federal crime. Which she committed, which Comey says she committed, which she doesn’t dispute. Most people would be thanking their lucky stars that the director of the FBI judged it as not in the public interest not to prosecute.

    There’s no humility to her. Most people would get that they fucked up, that they shouldn’t have done that. And I think people just always feel this about her.

    And I really, really, really want a good woman candidate for the next election. Preferably Trump stands down and a Republican woman stands. And wins. Just to piss off Hilary.

  9. dearieme: Since Trump started cancelling events due to exhaustion, that particular attack on the witch is looking a bit flat.

  10. I was under the impression that because California is strongly Democrat and has a “winner takes all” allocation of electoral college seats, large numbers of Republicans don’t bother to vote – almost certainly enough of them to be able to swing the popular vote against Clinton.

  11. Hillary lost the game playing by the rules everyone agreed to. So she is claiming that she would have won had the game been played by some other rules that she insists are more valid.

    This is pathetic. Time for her to crawl back into the gin bottle and leave the rest of us alone.

  12. If it had been a popular vote election all the candidates would have campaigned differently, with a different result – most likely still Trump winning. As people keep pointing out, the candidates campaigned to win the votes that the system told them to campaign to win. You can’t complain when somebody wins by obeying the rules.

  13. To be fair, she “won” the election in the bankrupt one-party-state of California. Which is – entirely coincidentally, bigots! – swarming with immigrants. To the point that real Americans are a minority in that state.

    So mebbe they should make her president of Mexifornia and build a ruddy big wall around the place.

    Women like Hillary, and to a lesser extent, May, remind us of just how amazingly singular Margaret Thatcher was.

    Hillary ‘takes responsibility’, but it’s not her fault! Sexists, Russians, the FBI, and (lol) the media were all agin her in one of them vast right-wing conspiracies that keep preventing American voters from seeing how wonderful everyone’s favourite dead-eyed conniving harpy is.

    How could poor-but-honest Hillary and her billion dollar warchest and support from the entire political, mass media, and big business establishment hope to compete?

  14. It still galls me that the World Series of baseball was stolen from the New York Yankees in 1960.

    The Yankees outscored the Pittsburgh Pirates 55-27 in that Series. They clearly defeated the Pirates on the field as badly as any team was ever defeated Yet the rules of MLB awarded the title to the Yankees. The rules of baseball are at fault – a travesty and an injustice that has not lessened in the intervening 57 years, and continues to this very day. Shouldn’t the team that scores the most runs win?

    The World Championship was clearly stolen from the Yankees – who beat the Pirates fair and square.

  15. Michael Howard didn’t complain in 2005 about his team winning the popular vote in England – a result which among many things resulted in a ban on hunting foxes with dogs, and a ban on landlords being allowed to offer smoking areas or not.
    Outcomes imposed on England by a combination of non-English and our quaint electoral system.

    Anyway, when are those measures going to be repealed?

  16. There was another factor in California.

    The Senate election was between two Democrats, along with one or two House races, and many of the latter were safe seats.

    There was far less motivation to get out and vote if you were voting Republican.

  17. Besides which, what should really sting for Hillary is that Trump was an unusually unpopular candidate.

    Those that genuinely liked him liked him yuugely, and he absolutely did connect with the workers. He may even do some interesting things, especially in the inner cities.

    But still, losing to Trump was the Everest of political failure.

  18. BTW, the subtext to this interview (and the rash of fawning media coverage of her daughter Chelsea, who is basically just the equine reincarnation of Marie Antoinette) is: the Clintons think they’re still viable political players.

    If the spells and incantations of her doctor-necromancers can keep her shambling on in a state that reasonably approximates ‘alive’ till 2019, and assuming she’s not in jail by then, Hillary will try to make history as the first woman to lose three presidential bids.

    Lady Mactheft has learned nothing and forgotten nothing. She’s like the psycho woman in MISERY – it won’t be over till James Caan batters her with a typewriter.

  19. If the spells and incantations of her doctor-necromancers can keep her shambling on in a state that reasonably approximates ‘alive’ till 2019, and assuming she’s not in jail by then, Hillary will try to make history as the first woman to lose three presidential bids.

    I can’t see it happening.

    In 2008 she was a viable candidate, but the public decided that Obama becoming the first African American POTUS was more important.

    In 2016 she only got the nomination through bribery and corruption of the DNC who simply couldn’t resist the size of her election warchest and the obvious lack of anything in Bernie’s warchest.

    For 2020 she has nothing. She isn’t viable electorally and I doubt that she can even buy her way back in given her performance last time. It’s not just that she’s damaged goods but that she’s actually tainting the Democrats by being associated with them.

    The biggest factor of all though is that the 2016 campaign nearly killed her and she was going at less than half the rate that The Donald was. There is no way she could make a decent showing in 2020 with her frailty and health concerns.

    To be quite honest I am stunned she is alive today, let alone strong enough to fail at becoming POTUS for a third time.

  20. “Since Trump started cancelling events due to exhaustion, that particular attack on the witch is looking a bit flat.” I don’t think so: the point is that she lies entirely naturally. That she’s an invalid can’t be deduced from the cough, but probably can be deduced from other clues. Parkinson’s perhaps.

  21. John Galt – if the DNC has any sense, which is doubtful at the moment given their very public embrace of loony tunes conspiracy theories and opulently lachrymose meltdowns at everything Trump does or says, they’ll find a plausible-looking youngish brown guy to run in 2020.

    An Obama Mk II, just ethnic enough to produce frissons of moisture betwixt the hairless loins of elite white liberals and tug the all-important heart-and-purse strings of Jewish donors, pleasingly pigmented enough to encourage minority turnout, but white-acting enough not to turn off flyover state church ladies and blue collar whites.

    It’s not exactly difficult to find a credible-sounding but hitherto lowkey affirmative action nominee in the United States. They’ve spent billions (trillions?) creating an entire class of such folks since the 60’s.

    Hillary clearly wants to run again though, so it’s a question of whether she has enough dirt on the Democratic establishment, and can outshuffle the Grim Reaper long enough, to make that happen. I give it 50/50.

    Also, the DNC’s descent into full-blown, pants-shitting Trumprage is dragging them leftwards into the fever swamps of social justice wankery. It’s electoral poison to Middle America, which is already weary of Jackanory tales about those DANG DIRTY RUSSIANS, but the folks in DC, NYC and California seem to like the taste. So maybe they’ll be daft enough to pick the American version of Jeremy Corbyn or – Kek willing – Diane Abbot next time.

  22. To be fair, she “won” the election in the bankrupt one-party-state of California. Which is – entirely coincidentally, bigots! – swarming with immigrants. To the point that real Americans are a minority in that state.

    So mebbe they should make her president of Mexifornia and build a ruddy big wall around the place.

    California is one of the small number of states which make a net contribution to the federal budget. Those states voted overwhelmingly against Trump.

  23. ““Since Trump started cancelling events due to exhaustion…”

    I’m with dearieme, mostly because Trump has the sense to cancel, not shamble in, then fall over on the way out.

  24. I love the West Wing. Its the ultimate political fairy tale:

    1) A democratic president is an honorable man not an Islamist or a rapist (citing the last two)
    2) It has the attitude that government programs can fix all wrongs – as opposed to reality where they invariably make things worse.
    3) The Democrats in the WW dont hate the people, unlike thee real ones.

    I could go on and on but you get the jist…

  25. Bongo – I wish Michael Howard was PM today. He was never the most charismatic of politicians, but at least he’s a reliable rightwinger, a grown up, and a steady hand.

    He was right about immigration in the 2005 election. And I loved his eloquent threat to the flamenco-fondling dagos over Gibraltar.

  26. Hillary clearly wants to run again though, so it’s a question of whether she has enough dirt on the Democratic establishment, and can outshuffle the Grim Reaper long enough, to make that happen. I give it 50/50.

    Hillary shuffles along one step ahead of criminal indictments and Federal investigations because she has no choice, this is not the case of the DNC, who after a disastrous and bruising election that they lost are attempting to rebuild and redefine themselves. The last thing that they want is to be continually haunted by the unburied corpse of Hillary Rodham Clowntown and her political mafia-type crime family.

    If the DNC wants to stand any chance of winning in 2020, then they need to put forward a candidate who is not tainted by the failure and corruption of Hillary, preferably a nice, mildly religious guy from a mixed race background, which would tick most of their basis.

    Instead, my guess is they will vote for electoral oblivion and chose Elizabeth “Fauxcahontas” Warren, because sometimes you are punished and sometimes you punish yourselves.

    Trump would have to shit on Lincoln’s tomb to avoid re-election.

  27. John Galt – Warren would be excellent, from a Republican POV. I reckon it’d also be funny if they nominated Tim “Kreepy” Kaine.

    Not gonna happen, of course, but he looks like a clown with no makeup on and has the sebaceous charm of a scoutmaster sweating while the police examine his hard drive.

    His slogan could be MAKE AMERICA FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE AGAIN

  28. A Red Indian (as I believe they like to be called) would be terrific in the White House.

    What with the war dances and scalping he’d be good on foreign policy although he would get out the peace pipe when called for.

    Trouble is, I hear they are all too busy counting the money they make from casinos to worry about politics.

  29. A Red Indian (as I believe they like to be called) would be terrific in the White House.

    Well that’s Elizabeth “Fauxcahontas” Warren to a tee.

    Isn’t she 1/32nd part Cherokee based upon some dubious notion about high-cheekbones inherited from her great-great-great-grandmother?

    Not that I’m suggesting that this is completely bogus, but if the eagle feather fits…

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/05/14/amateur-genealogist-who-backed-cherokee-warren-now-admits-mistake/

  30. @Pogo, May 28, 2017 at 10:43 am

    I was under the impression that because California is strongly Democrat and has a “winner takes all” allocation of electoral college seats, large numbers of Republicans don’t bother to vote

    Same in 47 other states:

    All but two states use a plurality winner-take-all system to pick their presidential electors – whoever receives the most votes in a state wins all of its electoral votes, even if he or she got less than a majority of the popular vote.

  31. @The Inimitable Steve, May 28, 2017 at 12:31 pm

    Women like Hillary, and to a lesser extent, May, remind us of just how amazingly singular Margaret Thatcher was.

    +1 on my bold

  32. @The Inimitable Steve, May 28, 2017 at 4:05 pm

    Bongo – I wish Michael Howard was PM today. He was never the most charismatic of politicians, but at least he’s a reliable rightwinger, a grown up, and a steady hand.

    He was right about immigration in the 2005 election. And I loved his eloquent threat to the flamenco-fondling dagos over Gibraltar.

    +1

    I was an active member when Margaret was leader, stayed active member for Major as Kinnock was as big a threat as Corbyn and Blair was, to me, obviously a charlatan.

    Rejoined when Howard became leader. Not been a member since Howard lost.

  33. >the sebaceous charm of a scoutmaster sweating while the police examine his hard drive

    First rate, sir, first rate.

  34. I loved West Wing too. I enjoyed Lord of the Rings as well – both equally reality-based entertainment.

    Regarding ‘popular votes’, was it not the case that a Libertarian candidate took 4 million votes? Any direct presidential election needs either a run-off or a transferable vote system in a case where the ‘winner’ gains less than 50% of votes cast (otherwise the election can be determined by which third party candidates decide to stand), cf the Frogs. Under such a system, Trump would still have won (even disregarding all the other issues about campaign strategy, voter turn-out etc etc).

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