So, Joachim, what can we demand to screw this up?

Oh, something absurd they’ll never agree to but which we can claim is a point of principle.

European Union bureaucrats are demanding that “current and future family members” of European nationals in the UK should have an open-ended right to settle in this country after Brexit.

Yes, that‘ll do it.

22 comments on “So, Joachim, what can we demand to screw this up?

  1. Have you ever seen a negotiation? The EU is busy occupying Sinai and the West Bank. What is Britain’s “impossible to achieve” counter-position? Has anyone even thought about it? Or is all the attention on ensuring Corbyn doesn’t pull off a shock win now?

  2. “We will apply the same rules to EU nationals as we already do to 3rd country nationals. As the population of Bradford can attest, we’re already more than generous on this front”.

  3. “The EU is busy occupying Sinai and the West Bank.”

    Well we will send some dinner ladies to chase them out again.

    May is a stupid cow and would be a sell out merchant but she dare not cave to the arrogant bullshit your EU mates are slinging Biggie. And all because a bunch of jumped-up, arrogant Grandees are spitting-feathers mad at being told to piss up their legs and play with the steam by wretched little people like us.

    Thanks for forcing the bitch to walk an honest path.

    As for Corby his “surge” is caused by poll fiddling and a dip for BluLabour from folk seeing that 22 deaths elicits only the usual Globalist bullshit from May.

  4. I’d be happy to pay the pensions (not an up front sum to the EU, just pay the pensions like the EU says it will) with one tiny amendment to the terms. The condition that the recipients support the EU be replaced with one whereby the recipients support the UK.

  5. Pat–All EU pension recipients who want to stay in the UK must give up their pension. If they do not they should lose their UK citizenship and be expelled.

    Why should we pay for traitors who would accept that “support the EU” clause in the first place?

  6. And what will the EU do if we say “nah” and just leave?

    Send us a sternly-worded letter?

  7. A better idea would be to insist that the EU accept the British spouses and children of every EU national in the UK. Then making them.

    The EU’s plan is clearly to make leaving the same as staying. We will have to pay, accept the four freedoms etc. There is no good reason for us to accept any of it. But May probably will. Because we have a treasonable ruling class.

  8. Theresa May, David Davis and their senior officials need to have studied Yanis Varoufakis’s new book “Adults in the Room” before they get much older. He makes it clear that there can be no negotiating with the EU and it’s best not to start trying.

    Angela Merkel is getting distinctly uppish with the UK and the USA which gives us the clearest possible steer as to what is going to happen next and ultimately it will be her obduracy which brings the EU down.

  9. abacab: Exactly. Indefinite leave to remain exactly the same as any other foreigner. Break the law, get kicked out. Leave for more than two years, get kicked out. No recourse to public funds. Upgradable to Citizenship after 7-10 years’ residence and good behavoir, exactly the same as what my then wife from Hong Kong had to adhere to.

  10. Or you could turn around and say “we will apply to EU citizens the same rules as the harshest applied to UK citizens by France or Germany”.

  11. The more I think about it, the more I like it. “We will apply reciprocal rules directly in line with France and Germany’s treatment of UK citizens”.

    End of negotiation. Cos they’re not going to want to screw their people over (in theory at least).

    Simples!

  12. TIS, as my dearly departed grandfather used to say; Send them a stiff letter written on cardboard.

  13. @Bloke in Germany. Our opening position seems straightforward to me:

    We have up to 2 years to negotiate Bexit. That’s a maximum not a minimum.You are acting like assholes, so what we are gonna do is:

    1. Withdraw tomorrow. Our payments (c.$10bn pa) will stop at the end of the week.
    2. Our import duties will be nil. Zero. Nada
    3. Our new Corp Tax rate is 10%

    Your move.

  14. @Gary Taylor,

    Isn’t gonna happen because if it did, you would find both Sterling and the FTSE plummeting, rather than fannying around in opposite directions (Express headline one day: Sterling SOARS, next day: Stock market SOARS).

    Look, I also wish the world were less complicated. I also wish we had global free trade with minimal restrictions on stuff crossing borders. The reality is we don’t have that and aren’t close to it. And the UK wants to restrict stuff crossing borders. So I guess it’s going down that “less free” trade route that the Brexit vote shows the UK wants. Good luck.

  15. @The Meissen Bison, May 30, 2017 at 9:52 am

    Theresa May, David Davis and their senior officials need to have studied Yanis Varoufakis’s new book “Adults in the Room” before they get much older. He makes it clear that there can be no negotiating with the EU and it’s best not to start trying.

    +1

    Angela Merkel is getting distinctly uppish with the UK and the USA which gives us the clearest possible steer as to what is going to happen next and ultimately it will be her obduracy which brings the EU down.

    +1

    Sounded to me like EU pulling up the draw-bridge to become even more closed to RoW

  16. @Bloke in Germany, May 30, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    @Gary Taylor, Isn’t gonna happen because if it did, you would find both Sterling and the FTSE plummeting

    Nope, sterling down >>> FTSE up

  17. TMB,

    “Theresa May, David Davis and their senior officials need to have studied Yanis Varoufakis’s new book “Adults in the Room” before they get much older. He makes it clear that there can be no negotiating with the EU and it’s best not to start trying.”

    Excellent idea.

    When LPUK was being formed it was the height of New Labour’s authoritarian laws and proposals. They organised a campaign to send every MP a copy of 1984 with the message that it was a warning not a trading manual.

    Perhaps when the election is over someone could organise a similar campaign with Adults in the Room.

  18. @ BiND
    Sadly, New Labour and the press in the UK and USA seem to think that is is an instruction manual.

  19. …and I think you are gonna need some evidence that a decline in sterling is always and everywhere a Bad Thing. cf Black Monday.

    And frankly, your idea that the UK voted for ‘less free trade’ tells us little about the UK a lot about the movie playing inside your head.

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