It’s called freedom Baby

Meanwhile, if reports of the Kislyak meeting are accurate (the White House has not denied them), the fact is Mr. Kushner, while still a private citizen, met secretly with officials from a hostile power

Is the US at war with Russia? We talking treason or sedition here?

Umm, no, we’re not, are we?

And that little freedom thing does mean that private citizens are allowed to talk to whoever they damn want to. Yea, even without the permission of the New York Times editorial board.

37 comments on “It’s called freedom Baby

  1. Perhaps the Logan Act is unconstitutional. The law is the law nonetheless, so let’s lock up Kushner and let SCOTUS sort it out.

  2. Talk to people and get locked up?

    Isn’t 150 million murders enough for leftist scum? Why not just have him shot in the back of the head–that’s worked for you lads so often in the past.

  3. I don’t seem to remember the same outrage when agents of the USSR were operating inside the USA. In fact when discovered they were often feted by the Left as I recall, and their prosecution considered miscarriages of justice…………..

  4. So Mr Trump could meet many times with officials of foreign countries for business, for socialising or simply for future contacts over the years. But another private citizen cannot because….?

  5. Hmm…

    What are we supposed to make of the news that Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior White House adviser, met with the Russian ambassador in December to discuss establishing a back channel between the incoming Trump administration and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities?

    That the new American administration and the Rooskies wanted to find a way to conduct diplomacy without their private conversations immediately being leaked to the New York Times?

    Start with the reactions from America’s intelligence community, whose job it is to monitor foreign actors’ attempts to steal the nation’s most closely guarded secrets.

    And a bang tidy job they do. Maxwell Smart would be proud.

    the fact is Mr. Kushner, while still a private citizen, met secretly with officials from a hostile power that had just orchestrated a campaign aimed at damaging American democracy and swinging the election to Mr. Trump.

    There’s no actual evidence for it, but it is a fact.

    “Get those damn dirty foreigners out of US politics!”, says the largely Mexican-owned NYT.

    Sadly, the KGB has had to distance itself from Agent Brexnev, or as you know him, Nigel Farage. But I hope Bronski Beat, aka Jared Kushner, holds on.

  6. I think they will find that Rex Tillerson met regularly with officials of friendly and unfriendly states in his time at Exxon. What are they going to do about that?

  7. Ted Kennedy actually asked the Soviets to help defeat Ronald Reagan. So the NYT can go fuck itself with the ragged end of a pineapple.

  8. Trial first, yes by all means. If his defence is that he was conducting private business discussions, good luck to him persuading the jury.

  9. Right, so the Logan Act has never been enforced, because the USG don’t want to test its probable unconstitutional reach. And the President-Elect can’t authorise? That would be an interesting defence.

    Anyway what about all the screaming leftists who’ve clearly breached 18 USC 871 & 879?

    Haven’t seen on here, or anywhere else, demanding their summary imprisonment?

  10. The president elect has no executive authority.

    If there’s some particular alleged breach you’d like my opinion on, go ahead and ask.

  11. I don’t think you should be executed for lying about Hillary Clinton.

  12. So if an American citizen talks to a foreigner he’s committing a.crime? Wow, how many foreigners did Clinton (any), Obama, Kennedy, Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all talk to?
    Because that is all that is alleged.
    I would have thought that government employees with access to classified information would be way more of a problem than private citizens without such access.
    Should any over eager Attorney launch a prosecution on these grounds I would hope the administration launches identical prosecutions against others who have done the same- you never know, someone working for the media might have talked to a foreigner some time

  13. “Start with the reactions from America’s intelligence community, whose job it is to monitor foreign actors’ attempts to steal the nation’s most closely guarded secrets.”

    Like the name of the undercover CIA agent who is head of operations against Iran. Oh wait, that was the NYT yesterday.

  14. Just to be clear – what is this guy supposed to have done wrong? Fraternising with the enemy? When was Russia declared an enemy? What, precisely, is the problem other than “Wah wah Trump” ?

  15. The USA has never ended the Cold War, despite no one else playing the game.
    They went insane in the 1950s and never got treated, they still think the Soviets are out to wipe out the USA.

  16. To an approximation, before Kushner took up his govt job his knowledge of classified intel would be approx zero.

    Unless the CIA etc leaks like a sieve.

  17. “I don’t think you should be executed for lying about Hillary Clinton.”

    Is it lying if it’s in the NY Times, dumbass?

    ‘As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

    And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.’

  18. What, in the leftists’ view, is the likely endgame here? Are Trump and/or Kushner conniving to let Russia take over America? Is America going to sell Alaska back to the Russians at a knock-down price? Are the Russian Cossacks going to launch pogroms against the Jews? Are the Russians going to persuade Trump to leave NATO, thereby leaving the field open for Russia to invade Estonia?

  19. “What, in the leftists’ view, is the likely endgame here? ”
    Step 1 – prove without a shadow of a doubt that President Trump and his entourage have had conversations with people who are Russian. Step 2 – Get them arraigned on a charge of ‘Conversing with a known Russian’.Step 3 – a miracle happens.Step 4 – President Trump and all his voting support disappear and Hillary Clinton is installed as President.

  20. “The USA has never ended the Cold War, despite no one else playing the game.” Reagan’s ambition was to end the Cold War; winning it would be nice, but he was determined to end it. His success became unmistakeable under Bush the Elder, who also seems to have been happy to see the back of it. It was Slick Willie who reignited it.

    That sequence of Slick Willie/W/O has been odious.

  21. Wasn’t it Obambi who ridiculed Romney for even bringing the subject of Russia during his campaign? As in, the 80s have called?

    So which one of Romney or obamboo was wrong?

  22. Social Justice Warrior – “Perhaps the Logan Act is unconstitutional. The law is the law nonetheless, so let’s lock up Kushner and let SCOTUS sort it out.”

    The Logan Act is a highly specific law. It only applies to countries that the US is fighting. Are the US and Russia presently hostile? Because Obama said any number of times that they were not. It only applies to people trying to influence the other country’s foreign policy. Do you have even a smidgen of evidence Kushner was? It was intended to stop people undermining the President’s foreign policy authority. But Kushner was representing the in coming President so that is unlikely to apply.

    By all means, let’s enforce the Logan Act. Such as when Pelosi went to Syria while W was bombing them.

    Hypocrite.

  23. Martin – “The USA has never ended the Cold War, despite no one else playing the game.”

    The US does not have soldiers in Ukraine shooting down Malaysian airliners. Russia does. It is not obvious to me that the Cold War is over but if it is, the US seems to be one of the few countries to have noticed.

    “They went insane in the 1950s and never got treated, they still think the Soviets are out to wipe out the USA.”

    They did not go insane. The Soviets were out to kill them. If anything they were too moderate in the Cold War. People like you were and are the problem. Russia has been offered peace. Russia has chosen otherwise.

  24. The Logan Act is a highly specific law. It only applies to countries that the US is fighting…

    I suppose you read that on some alt-fact website. You would humiliate yourself less often if you looked up actual facts. Your views might change too.

    The law reads:
    “Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

  25. Social Justice Warrior – “I suppose you read that on some alt-fact website. You would humiliate yourself less often if you looked up actual facts. Your views might change too.”

    They might. If I were wrong. As I am not, it is irrelevant. Because I can read. You seem unable to:

    The law reads:
    “Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

    The law requires disputes to exist. But the US is not fighting with Russia. No such disputes exist. Obama has said so many many times. So the law simply does not apply. Unlike Pelosi’s trip to Syria which took place while the US was involved in the fighting there.

    It requires intent. The intent to influence the other country. What evidence do you have that Kushner intended anything? Oh wait, you don’t. All you have is the rumour that he may have talked to the Russians. That is not illegal under the Logan Act.

    In other words you are making sh!t you wished was true up. While ignoring actual violations of the law committed by people more ideologically sympathetic to you.

    If you had a shred of honesty or integrity, you would retract your absurd claims. I won’t hold my breath.

  26. You think there are no disputes or controversies between the USA and Russia? With regard to Syria, for example?

    No, of course you don’t. Thinking isn’t your thing.

  27. You think any American citizen caught talking to a Russian should be jailed?

    How very fascist of you.

  28. Still full of sh!t I see Paul.

    It is irrelevant what *I* think. The Obama administration (and their spineless effeminate fanbois like you) cannot argue that the US is in conflict with Russia in the sense the Logan Act envisions given the enormous number of times Obama and his flunkies have said that the US is not.

    Talking to the Russians is not illegal. It is not even certain Kushner even talked to them.

  29. The Logan act doesn’t say “conflict” or “fighting”. I quoted the text; you should read it.

    If your lips aren’t worn out after that, read what Obama had to say about Russia’s involvement in Syria.

  30. For the record, dumbass: Uranium One was a Canadian company taken over by a Russian company. Hillary did not have the authority to block the deal. And uranium mined by the company in the US remains subject to exactly the same government controls as before.

    There is no sense whatever in which the takeover involved Hillary selling US uranium to Russia.

  31. The bit of that which was scandalous was Bill flying in to get the sign off on the takeover of the Kazakh fields. I have some experience of that world and there’s just no damn way that was a clean deal.

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