A good point

In the heart of the nation’s capital, at near-maximum terror alert, with the densest national concentration of armed officers, the attackers had 8-10 minutes to rampage unimpeded before the armed police turned up and whacked them in short order.

Contrast this with the May 2015 attack in Garland, TX where the heavily armed gunmen just made it out of their car, managed to slightly wound a security officer, and then promptly expired in a hail of bullets. I can’t help but notice the complete lack of follow-on terror attacks in Texas since then; presumably word has got around the terror community that it’s a poor choice of location.(Glasgow is probably number 2 on the do-not-terrorise list after the terrifyingly vicious response of the residents.).

I can’t help but think that the complete dis-arming of the UK civilian population is not working out quite as well as most of its proponents expected.

I seem to recall something around 1905 or so in London. Lithuanian, Latvian perhaps, anarchists. The police were borrowing revolvers from the crowd to combat them….

122 comments on “A good point

  1. On The contrary, it’s working out perfectly. Our elites don’t care about innocents getting massacred by terrorists, they are more concerned about us oiks getting uppity. Jihadists rampaging for 8 minutes will delight them, as it shows we’re completely harmless.

  2. We do, by contrast, benefit from a country where 15 toddlers under 3 years old haven’t killed themselves or someone else in a 12 month period.

    Swings and roundabouts…

  3. The Tottenham Court Rd bank robbery is the one you refer to. When the armed (leftist) anarchists robbed the bank at gun point and the TCR Police stations gun cupboard had rusted up thro long disuse. So the coppers went out in the street and foghorned for passers-by to help and or lend them guns. Several folk lent the coppers their guns and several armed citizens joined in the posse. The crims were run to ground and surrendered after a brief casualty-free hoot out.

    That was a free society.

  4. “I can’t help but think that the complete dis-arming of the UK civilian population is not working out quite as well as most of its proponents expected.”

    Don’t agree. I think it’s working out exactly how the proponents desired. The people of the UK were intended to be left helpless victims and the primary goal of the law enforcement is to contain the public at all times, esp following significant crimes.

  5. Darren–If you are stupid enough to leave guns where 3 year olds can get at them the world is better off without your genetic endowment.

  6. Yeah, the goal is to make the citizens ever more reliant upon the state. Not only are handguns banned, but also anything that could reasonably be used as a weapon. If you’re carrying so much as a cricket bat around London without good cause, you’d better hope the police don’t stop & search you.

  7. Yep. What Andrew said.
    Lots of fete-ing of the brave officers who shot them. Only a few people brave enough to take them on. Kudos to them, but there were only 3 attackers. 10 blokes armed with whatever heavy/sharp thing came to hand could have stopped them as well. Just shows the helpless conditioning of UK steeple.
    The officers only took 8 minutes. Plenty of time to stab a boat load of people.
    Sod relying on the state. Stay out of urban centres, fewer juicy targets.
    Stay safe.

  8. So, the Guardian has a series of photos on their main page. Among them;
    One, half a dozen tooled up police officers with faces hidden behind masks.
    Then followed by a photo of lines of civilians being marched with their hands behind their heads.

    Not sure these are images of a free society.

  9. But, facts. The Garland shooting was outside an exhibition of images of Muhammed, an obvious target for Islamicist terrorists. “There were at least 40 Garland police officers there, which included a SWAT team and a bomb unit. That’s in addition to FBI and ATF agents, Garland Independent School District security guards and Texas DPS officers.”

    The attackers opened fire on a police car, and the policeman in it shot and wounded them. Then the SWAT team shot them dead.

    The armed civilians were the problem, not the solution.

  10. Is there no limit to your bullshit supply SJW.

    Armed populace is always a trouble to those who want to lord it over them.

    Two death cults plague this nation and by far the worst of them is the scum of socialism.

  11. I hate to agree with Paul but you’re nuts if you think releasing tens of thousands of firearms into the general population is a good idea. Three men armed with rifles would have killed dozens – especially if they were FIBUA trained and hardened by street fighting in Sirte. Pissed people with concealed carry pistols would be of very little use. You’re still waiting for the army or cops, you just need more coffins.

    Where I would disagree with him is that decades ago it might have been fine – but decades ago we were largely homogeneous, non homicidal Britons. There’s a rather large cuckoo in our nest now. Kill the cuckoo, then we can go back to life as our forefathers knew it, only with inside bogs, hi def Sky Sports and avocados for all.

  12. Interested

    “Where I would disagree with him is that decades ago it might have been fine – but decades ago we were largely homogeneous, non homicidal Britons.”

    How many more freedoms will people of the UK loose before this is over, if it ever is?

  13. I seem to recall something around 1905 or so in London. Lithuanian, Latvian perhaps, anarchists. The police were borrowing revolvers from the crowd to combat them…

    I think Tim’s vague recollection is the Siege of Sidney Street in 1911, which was started by a by a bunch of Latvian revolutionaries and even our erstwhile Home Secretary Winston Churchill was on the scene.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sidney_Street

  14. Darren,

    “We do, by contrast, benefit from a country where 15 toddlers under 3 years old haven’t killed themselves or someone else in a 12 month period.”

    Do you know what we do instead? We have toddlers mauled by dangerous dogs. And do you know why people on rough estates own dangerous dogs? Because they can’t own guns.

  15. I’d like to be able to defend myself from random murderers on terms equal with them. I fail to understand the moral basis on which someone else says I can’t.

  16. SJW says that legitimately armed civilans were not involved in the TX case, then states that they were in fact the problem.

    Has he plugged into the Spuddamatic Logic Drive?

  17. Interested. Piffle.

    Maybe the Jihadi guns had not yet reached the London Bridge cunts. But if you think they can’t and won’t get and use guns you are kidding yourself. Only a matter of time. Likely there are mosque arsenals awaiting the propitious moment already. The actual White Van tactics suggest fucking amateurs anyway. We haven’t yet heard from the trained killers presently being imported.

    As for the kiss-a-copper’s-arse routine–what that will get us is the police state the political scum want. The sight of civilians being herded down the street with their hands over their heads like fucking sheep ( in imitation of the costumed thugs antics with US citizens after the Boston Bombing ) shows you exactly what the political scum are after.

    Lots and lots of private guns in British hands is the answer to the twin problem of thugs and terrorists in and out of uniform.

  18. Firearm ownership should be licensed, like car driving is. Shall issue basis, unless you prove you can’t be trusted not to be a danger to others.
    As Edward Lud says, we have the moral right to defend ourselves on equal terms. And I can’t throw a rock at 1100fps…

  19. I love to hear how we can’t be trusted to arm ourselves, and how guns are the problem not the solution, by our political superiors, all of whom are protected by fellows bearing arms.

  20. According to SJW:

    Mubai attack caused by armed civilians so legally armed civilians are the problem.
    Paris attack caused by armed civilians so legally armed civilians are the problem.

    And so on.

    #muppet

  21. Listened to May’s speech, sounds like she will focus most energy on stopping people saying mean things on Facebook.

  22. In the UK we have around 50-60 killings by shooting every year. As the USA has a population 6 times as large you might expect 6 times as many. But there are in fact around 160 times as many. 8,500 or so a year. If they can be bothered to count them.

    I’ll stick to the UK’ s policy on gun control.

  23. Anon: ‘In the US swimming pools are more dangerous for children to have in the house.’

    See also: pitbulls. Guns, at least, don’t load themselves and go wandering the neighbourhood looking for someone they fancy shooting.

  24. AndrewC – “As the USA has a population 6 times as large you might expect 6 times as many. But there are in fact around 160 times as many. 8,500 or so a year. If they can be bothered to count them.”

    Adjusted for race, the US is not much more violent than the UK or Europe.

  25. AndrewC

    “In the UK we have around 50-60 killings by shooting every year. As the USA has a population 6 times as large you might expect 6 times as many. But there are in fact around 160 times as many. 8,500 or so a year. If they can be bothered to count them.”

    When the UK had much more accessible gun laws, the murder rate was identical. The UK did not have the inner city violence that is the majority of the US problem. New Hampshire has the same murder rate as the US.

  26. Coming soon to the UK!
    Hunting/large knife control, because is all the large knives’ fault, innit?

  27. Chernyy_Drakon

    “Coming soon to the UK!
    Hunting/large knife control, because is all the large knives’ fault, innit?”

    Already there. I saw a docco on Scottish police that showed an entire office of police dedicated to searching Facebook for photos of people with knives in public places, and when they found them, a squad car would be dispatched….

  28. Andrew C–Suicide (their choice and a quick way to go done right) and black gangstas shooting other black gangstas (mostly the result of drugs being illegal) accounts for the vast majority of US gun deaths.

    Sans those the US is a very peaceful nation.

  29. In Czechia gun licences are shall-issue. Approximately 3% of the adult population have concealed carry permits. The goverment actually encourages citizens to arm themselves in some way, if not a gun then you can carry pepper spray. And yet their murder rate is lower than the UK.

  30. Texas police seem to shoot plenty of civilians themselves without needing much help from terrorists…

  31. How about a bearing-arms Act modelled on the Bill of Rights: any suitable British Citizen (which nowadays might mean no criminal record, no record of insanity, nobody with “learning difficulties”) allowed arms, bar Roman Catholics? And Moslems, presumably? Marxists too? I suppose it would be too exotic to add Glaswegians and Cockneys to that list? People who insist on speaking Welsh? Professional footballers? TV personalities? MPs? Liberal Democrats?

  32. JuliaM – to be fair to Mrs May, she’s convinced me to regulate my vote on June 8th to a spoiled ballot.

  33. This is the danger TIS.

    I will still vote for Brexit and thereafter do every thing I can including writing to every Tory party official I can find –even some of the dead ones who are probably more able than the living ones–to call for May’s ousting.

    She is a stupid cow and mistakes will come thick and fast from now on. The election campaign mess shows that in high –if not comic–relief. That is our greatest asset against her. Her own shower will be soon sick of her bungling and moral cowardice.

    Your choice is your own but I would urge you to think of Brexit. And the expression on that cunt Drunckers face if it were to falter.

    First Brexit –then the big movie is Get May. Hopefully without the nude shotgun scene in her case. The (paraphrased) line “Pissholes in the Sand” still applies tho’. Very apt.

  34. She’s invoked article 50, hasn’t she? So Brexit cannot now but happen. Or have I imagined it?

  35. 2 million muslims tooled up and on the streets during ramadan.

    Of course, they’ll need training at taxpayers’ expense, on how to protect themselves from that menacing sect the earthQuakers.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  36. What disappoints me is that in the picture shown of one of the dead Islamic scumbags, he is still recognisable as sub-human rather than the bloody pulp I’d hope the coppers would have turned him into.

    What I’d really like is for them to shoot them in the crotch and leave them to bleed to death. Cockless, their 72 virgins would stay virgo intacta.

  37. I though Mays briefing was pretty good. Yes the bit about regulating the internet was clunky, and pointless, as she will discover. But the rest was about as spot on as one could hope for.

    I think for the first time in a politicians response to one of these attacks they have identified the problem as Islam, OK she called it a perversion of Islam, but this is the first time it has been said out loud that the I word is part of the problem. Also the statement that Western Values are superior to Islamic ones was very clear, and also a first. The idea that ‘things will have to change’ was a powerful message too. It certainly wasn’t a Blair/Brown/Cameron ‘Nothing to do with Islam’ message.

    I know that we’d all like a far more aggressive stance to be taken (and ultimately will have to be taken) but I was heartened by May’s words. I think she might just about be on the road to ‘getting it’. Yes its going to have to be couched in a lot of the usual PC blather, but I think she’s going in the right direction. She better be, there really is no alternative.

  38. Edward, yes, she’s invoked Article 50 but do you really think the EU won’t find ways of obstructing or reversing the process of leaving, aided and abetted by the Quislings here.

  39. Jim–No

    What will change is Britain into a police state.

    We have been over the “perversion of Islam ” crap enough times by now. Same old, etc. Nothing to do with mainstream Islam –bollocks anyway–might count as improvement in your book but not mine.

  40. Couple of comments…

    Of course this attack is a strong argument in favour of concealed carry. All countries in Europe have more relaxed (read: intelligent) gun laws than the uk, Czecho, Finland and SWiss come to mind but France And Germany to do.

    Although concealed carry is uncomon.

    The police advise to British citizens is runaway and hide. Erm quite.

    Rather better to gang up and kick the fuck out of the cowardly islamic cunts. There were 3 of the cunts unarmed except for massive knives which they most likely are not experts with. If I was in a pub with 30 able bodied and not more than half pissed fellow brits, like to think that in a counter charge a couple of us might get it, but the towl heads would be toast by the time the plod turned up, late.

    Also, there’s a lot to be said for the old 12 bore behind the bar trick.

    Seems to me a fundamental point of freedom – a law abiding bloke should be free to defend himself without relying on the keystones.

  41. The great danger is that cunt Corbyn. Having him and his fellow travellers even as the opposition is now a luxury this country cannot afford. But millions of the under forties think his moronic, spavined moral relativism is a-ok.

    How anyone can attack May when that lying pig-shit is in public life is beyond me.

  42. BiF–What are you saying?

    If you are talking about legal gun ownership for Britons I think it has been said several times that that would not apply to members of the RoP. That is a right they should not have along with the vote.

    I doubt they will feel left out as lots of Jihadi guns are doubtless here or on the way.

  43. Jim @1.11pm
    +1

    Her speech sounded like a warning to Muslims that tough measures on the way.

    T I Steve:

    “she’s convinced me to regulate my vote on June 8th to a spoiled ballot.”

    No, Steve, please, No. Brexit is the priority. The quisling remainiacs would use a reduced majority and/or a large non-Tory vote to justify obstructing Brexit.

  44. Charlie Suet–Yes Corbyn is supremely evil shite.

    But to imagine that the Fragrant Cow is much less evil is stupid indeed. Almost as much as Corbo she is a creature of cultural Marxism even if she never heard of the Frankfurt School. She has hitched her shitwagon to Brexit and hopes that that will enable her to get her patronising One Nation crap thro as well. Esp her Global Elite pals desire to censor the Internet which is another of the dangers she poses.

    Yes Corby needs to find permanent lodging in Hell and for Brexit sake I will vote for the bitch this one time.

    But after that I hope to see both of them sunk for good and their crappy parties with them.

  45. @AndrewC
    Spain has fairly relaxed gun laws. On a permit it’s possible to own & keep at home handguns, short barrel multi shot pump action shotguns & several other firearms illegal in the UK. It also has a large number of illegally held weapons.
    Firearm deaths are not notably more prevalent than the UK

  46. Theo–Wishful thinking. You want to believe as does Jim. The thought that your Blue Buddies are rump of whatever they once were to you is likely too painful for you.

    There is zilch in or behind her words. She will try to get tough alright– with the likes of us writing on the Internet not with the RoP.

  47. Seriously, Tim? How single-track-minded do you have to be to miss why that piece is utter drivel? In case you haven’t noticed, the terrorists were armed with nothing more effective than kitchen implements. Three highly motivated terrorists and only seven dead, those mostly run down rather than stabbed?

    Yeah, that weapons ban really doesn’t work…

    Also:

    https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2016/04/06/andrea-brauer-texas-should-treat-accidental-gun-deaths-as-a-public-health-issue

    More than 500 kids a year die in Texas in gun accidents. Seven dead in a terrorist attack. You don’t have to be a genius to do the maths there.

  48. Ecksy — I think May is dreadful. However, her speech exceeded my low expectations.

  49. Full of shite as ever Dave–even on a Sunday. Don’t you get sick of lying?

    The amateurs are on so far. The well-armed and trained will follow soon enough.

    7 dead may be no big deal to you you sjw puke –but then you aren’t one of them.

    It will take more time to refute your Texas stats bullshit –every google I do throws up legions of lying anti-gun leftists –the Huff and loads of other offal.

  50. I’d like to know how 3 guys with knives were able to wound 48 people. They were in a crowded pub, didn’t any one just reach for the nearest blunt instrument. Something doesn’t add up here.

  51. Been thinking on this: Interesting how the gun control limpwrists always cite the US as a comparator, rather than the European neighbours. Ignoring that the vast majority of gun deaths in the US occur in the ethnic minority dominated areas of its cities.
    It’s worth actually comparing the US with its southern neighbours in Central & South America. Also societies grown from colonial pasts. Where the minorities problematic in the US are here majorities.
    You’ve countries have had murder rates far in excess of the US. Countries that are little better than war zones.
    Doesn’t look like Uncle Sam’s doing so bad, really.

  52. More than 500 kids a year die in Texas in gun accidents. Seven dead in a terrorist attack. You don’t have to be a genius to do the maths there.

    Go back and re-read the article, moron. She states that more than 500 kids are killed or injured in Texas every year.

    Total USA gun deaths last year were just over 6,400, of which about 2,800 involved victims under the age of 18.

    You don’t have to be a genius to actually read what is written, Dave, but whatever is needed intelligence-wise, you seem to be lacking it in a rather large way.

  53. I love listening to folks who’ve never touched a firearm, have no training in firearms, and no experience in dealing with folks who own and use firemarms prattle on about what is wrong with firearm ownership.

    You want to see polite society? I mean really polite society? Drop in on a gun store or a gun range some time. People are far more polite and thoughtful to each other than in your local ice cream parlor.

    Can you guess why?

  54. Sam Jones

    It is because the UK educates people to be helpless and wait for the state stormtroopers to come save them. It discourages fighting – if you fight back and injure your attacker, you will be in just as much trouble as them, more if they are in a protected class (RoP for example,because racism obvs).

    Compare and contrast with Russia or Eastern Europe, where people look out for themselves and each other. Try waving a knife around in those parts screaming ‘aloha snackbar’ and see how long before you get shot/stabbed/head kicked in.

  55. Honestly, the UK government instructions of “Run, Hide, Tell” are just f*cking embarrassing.

  56. Sam Jones:

    Sounds like they would run into a pub, stab someone then run out again – no doubt to avoid giving people time to react..

    Especially if there was no warning, then most people in a crowded pub wouldn’t even know what had happened before the killers were gone.

  57. “Her speech sounded like a warning to Muslims that tough measures on the way.”

    That was my reading between the lines too. Maybe I’m wrong, and its just dog whistle stuff to garner votes and nothing concrete will be done. If thats the case I’ll be the first to put my hands up and say ‘I was wrong.’

    But I think we have to be realistic. No politician is going to swing from ‘Religion of Peace’ to ‘Throw them out’ just like that, its not politically possible in such a short period of time. May’s speech was significant IMO in that it crossed boundaries that have previously been studious observed.

    The political class have got to go on a journey, to catch up with the voters, and its going to take time. This seems like a first step on the right direction to me.

  58. Back in the early 2000s one of my clients was a community center for one of the Muslim minority communities in Central Ohio. At one point (2004) the Executive Director of the center asked me to come down to the center once a week at a certain time and make myself available for questions from some of the folks in that community who were trying to navigate their way through living in ‘Merica. What this meant was that I ended up having bull sessions with young men in their early 20s who’d been in ‘Merica less than 5 years.

    The sessions were interesting, and while these young men were invariably polite they did, at times, test limits (as young men often do). I was aware of what was going on and took care to not take offense or get riled. It was all part of them trying to sort out the big, strange place they were now living in.

    However…

    One day I had one of these young men, who was employed by the center stated that one day I would be made a “slave to Allah”. I pulled him into an unoccupied office, sat him down, and quietly gave him a very short history of ‘Merica… The emphasis being on the fact that white ‘Merican males are, and have been, the finest, most efficient killers history has ever known. I then explained to him just how expendable he and his community were; pointing out that our lives wouldn’t change a bit if every last one of his community dropped dead tomorrow. Finally, I told him that if I ever heard him say that again, I’d shoot his ass and take my chances with a jury of 12 white Christians who don’t really like Muslims… especially black Muslims. That was bullshit, but he didn’t know that.

    Two days later the Executive Director called me up and asked what I’d said to this young man… He was refusing to come into work because he was afraid of me. I explained what had transpired and asked me to come to his office the next day. I did so, and there was my young jihadist standing next to the Executive Director. And if full view of everyone in that office that young man delivered a very fulsome apology… As I am sure he was ordered to do. Once he was done I accepted his apology and the Executive Director looked at him and said, “Remember, that man carries a gun. Other men do too.”

    Life lesson? That young man learned that bullying and/or false bravado doesn’t work when your target is armed. And the beauty of concealed carry is that you need always assume the other guy is armed if you want to live a long life.

    The other lesson? I show all Muslims I meet (and I deal with them daily) due respect and I make it clear that I expect that respect to be reciprocated. I also make it clear that if it isn’t, there will be immediate and severe consequences. I took one out in a fistfight back in 2005 and everyone knows about it… If anything, my stature in that community rose because of it.

  59. “The political class have got to go on a journey, to catch up with the voters, and its going to take time. This seems like a first step on the right direction to me.”

    I hope you are right Jim. But I doubt it.

    Incidentally I saw the Daily Express headlines on a quick trip to the shops for some potato salad.

    It seems there is now only 1% between Dress Up and Grandpa Death.

    The poles have long since been weaponised for the left on the “you’re already beaten so don’t bother voting” approach that failed with Trump and Brexit. But this latest really seems daffy even by the left’s standards. As if they were trying to turn out a Tory vote.

    The pollsters can’t have been taken over by Tory Central can they?

    Dress Up had enough gumption to try and toughtalk more for her second post murder pep-talk but it may be people don’t believe her.

    I’m voting Brexit and Get May afterwards. The only sane course I think.

  60. “I seem to recall something around 1905 or so in London. Lithuanian, Latvian perhaps”

    I think ‘Jewish’ is the ethnicity you’re struggling to recall Tim.

  61. Matty J:

    “In Czechia gun licences are shall-issue. Approximately 3% of the adult population have concealed carry permits. The goverment actually encourages citizens to arm themselves in some way, if not a gun then you can carry pepper spray. And yet their murder rate is lower than the UK.”

    For some reason, those racist, nazi, Czechs have denied themselves the wonders and benefits of diversity. They obviously need some asap.

  62. Sam Jones: “I’d like to know how 3 guys with knives were able to wound 48 people.”

    We know 48 people are injured, we don’t know how. Some from the van mowing down, some from stabbings, some probably (as I said on the other thread) from crush & confusion and falling down in the ensuing panic.

  63. With apologies to Edwin Starr:

    Islam, huh, yeah, What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Uh-huh
    Islam, huh, yeah, What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Say it again, y’all
    Islam, huh, good God, What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Listen to me
    Ohhh, Islam, I despise because it means destruction of innocent lives
    Islam means tears to thousands of mothers eyes when their sons and daughters go out for the night and lose their lives.
    I said, Islam, huh, Good God, y’all, What is it good for? Absolutely nothing
    Say it again, Islam, whoa, Lord, What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Listen to me
    Islam, it ain’t nothing but a heartbreaker
    Islam, friend only to the undertaker
    Ooooh, Islam, It’s an enemy to all mankind
    The point of Islam blows my mind
    Islam has caused unrest within the younger generation
    Induction then destruction
    Who wants to die?

  64. Picking up on various above (too lazy to attribute).
    May’s statement was less than perfect, too​ much talk of net regulation, but an open acknowledgement​ that Islamism is the driving ideology. Puts her both behind the curve and ahead of most of her rivals.
    Compare with Corbyn who has serious problems with shooting terrorists and has spent a lifetime being pals with various sorts of killer.
    Seems like a no brainer to me, since they are currently the only possibilities. Only twice in my life have I had an opportunity to support a politician I liked, every other time I was opposing the one I liked least.
    Secondly, the disarming of the British public was part of a drive by chief police officers to make themselves and their forces indispensable. That it weakened the general public was a side effect.

  65. The family has disowned me, DtP, what with me regularly going to the Max Brenner Chocolate Bar and me being so rude to Opa Julius’s Islamic mates such as Haj Amin al-Husseini.

  66. You never come across as clever, DtP, presumably for the rather obvious reason that you are not.

  67. bloke in spain said:
    “Been thinking on this: Interesting how the gun control limpwrists always cite the US as a comparator, rather than the European neighbours. Ignoring that the vast majority of gun deaths in the US occur in the ethnic minority dominated areas of its cities.”

    I did have a graph on this. Can’t find it, but from memory it was basically that:
    – gun killings by blacks in the USA are comparable to the rate in (can’t remember – Nigeria?);
    – gun killings by Hispanics in the USA are comparable to the rate in (I think) Nicaragua;
    – gun killings by Asians in the USA are comparable to the rate in (Thailand?);
    – gun killings by non-Hispanic whites in the USA are comparable to the rate in (somewhere I didn’t expect – Netherlands I think).

    It seems America’s gun problem is just a facet of America’s race problem.

  68. That makes no sense unless you are conceding that I am cleverer than you. Maybe you’ve taken one too many hits to the head when resorting to fisticuffs to settle matters.

  69. London’s cunt of a Mayor said that London was “the safest global city in the world”. Strangely this is the same Mayor who said that Londoners had to get used to mass casualty attacks.

    So that’s the safest city suffering regular mass terrorist attacks in the world then.

    Fucking cunt.

  70. ‘More than 500 kids a year die in Texas in gun accidents. Seven dead in a terrorist attack.’

    So terrorist attacks are okay?

    BTW, in 2014, there were 586 deaths by firearms accidents in the U.S. The whole U.S. All ages. ‘500 kids a year in Texas’ is stupid wrong.

  71. That makes no sense unless you are conceding that I am cleverer than you.

    Yeah, you run with that.

    And as far as fistfights, I’ve fought one more Muslim than you have, Mr. Big-Talkin’ Kill ‘Em All Tough Guy.

  72. BTW, in 2014, there were 586 deaths by firearms accidents in the U.S. The whole U.S. All ages. ‘500 kids a year in Texas’ is stupid wrong.

    Stupid wrong is Dave in a nutshell.

  73. DocBud –

    Understand that I don’t despise you because you’re a big-talking pussy, although I’m sure you are. I despise you because you’re a fool and a bigot. You’re a fool because you are incapable of correctly identifying the enemy, and you’re a bigot because you don’t care that you’ve got it wrong.

    You’ll clamor for gas chambers so long as you don’t have to run them.

  74. I don’t claim to be a tough guy, DtP, I’m quite happy paying the portion of my exorbitant taxes that pay others do the protecting stuff.

    Having sparred with a Muslim, or for that matter any other human being, is not something to be proud of, it is something the low of intelligence indulge in.

    The problem is quite definitely Islam. It is all there in the Koran, the Hadith and the life of Mohammed. Yes, there are non-violent Muslims, although many are sympathetic to the terrorists, but Islamic terrorism will not go away as a problem as long as we keep pretending that it stems from a perversion of Islam rather than being full on in accordance with Islam as invented by Mohammed.

  75. What’s totally been forgotten is that there has been 16 black on black knife murders in London in the last month.

    Give UK urban blacks access to guns and we’ll have US casualty numbers. Like Baltimore, where thy had 49 shootings on the Memorial day weekend… and I shudder to think what the number was in Chiraq.

  76. The vibe i’m picking up from the comments is that if you ignore all the people who get shot and discount all the people who do the shooting then gun crime in the USA is no worse than here in the UK.

  77. I’d like a 9″ Browning to nestle in my armpit. But I do have concerns about my tailoring bill.

    Any ideas?

    Anyone?

  78. Wilfully obtuse, Mr C. The vibe is that WASPs are much less of a threat in a (kinda) civil society.

  79. She states that more than 500 kids are killed or injured in Texas every year.

    Note that the definition of ‘kids’ in US anti-gun statistics typically includes 18-year-old drug dealers shooting each other. Often even goes as high as 20-something drug dealers shooting each other.

    It’s all bollocks, and many US states have murder rates lower than the UK. Mostly the ones which don’t have inner-city hellholes that would be more at home in the third world.

  80. I don’t know what the % non-WASP population comparison is between UK and USA. I doubt if any variation accounts for a x25 plus variation in shootings.

    It’s all very well saying the safest parts of the USA have similar shooting rates as the UK but the safest parts of the UK don’t have shootings at all.

  81. ‘Incidentally I saw the Daily Express headlines on a quick trip to the shops for some potato salad.’

    My favourite line in this thread.

  82. ‘One day I had one of these young men, who was employed by the center stated that one day I would be made a “slave to Allah”. I pulled him into an unoccupied office, sat him down, and quietly gave him a very short history of ‘Merica… The emphasis being on the fact that white ‘Merican males are, and have been, the finest, most efficient killers history has ever known. I then explained to him just how expendable he and his community were; pointing out that our lives wouldn’t change a bit if every last one of his community dropped dead tomorrow. Finally, I told him that if I ever heard him say that again, I’d shoot his ass and take my chances with a jury of 12 white Christians who don’t really like Muslims… especially black Muslims. That was bullshit, but he didn’t know that.’

    ‘And as far as fistfights, I’ve fought one more Muslim than you have, Mr. Big-Talkin’ Kill ‘Em All Tough Guy.’

    Fuck me – who’s the ‘Big-Talkin’ Kill ‘Em All Tough Guy’ here, exactly?

    🙂

    (I expect I’ve fought a few more Muslims that you have, Dennis me old China.)

  83. Johnnydub: Most criminals have all the access to all the firearms they need. If they use knives it is because it will bring them and their associates less heat even with murder. Bluebottles will be keen to know the provenance of a shooter. They won’t bother for a blade.

    Andrew C–Most non-suicide gun deaths are done with illegal guns anyway.

    And sure their aren’t many shootings in the Scottish Highlands. When the trained Jihaddis kick off you will hear lots of gunfire all over the inhabited UK. In between bomb blasts.

    Those of you who want to be unarmed are free to be so and throw yourselves on the good offices of fate.

    I want guns and lots of them.

  84. I doubt if any variation accounts for a x25 plus variation in shootings.

    The vast majority of shootings happen in inner-city hellholes. That should tell you everything you need to know about who’s responsible for them.

    It’s all very well saying the safest parts of the USA have similar shooting rates as the UK but the safest parts of the UK don’t have shootings at all.

    And who cares? I’d rather be shot that have my brains bashed out of my skull with a blunt object.

    Americans kill each other with knives more than Britons kill each other with anything at all. It’s a violent country, primarily due to the third-world inner cities, and guns are irrelevant to that.

    Seriously, try reading some actual criminological studies sometime, rather than spouting the same old nonsense from the Guardian.

    Besides, this whole thing is utterly, utterly pointless. In ten years, anyone will be able to print an AK47 in their living room.

  85. Edward Lud,

    The current thinking is that shoulder holsters are terribly last century, and the Browning GP35 (excellent though it was) is yesterday’s technology (single action, bulky).

    Glock 19 or SIG-Sauer P228, carried in a holster behind your hip on your strong hand’s side, is a better option these days; the big argument is whether the holster goes inside or outside your waistband. (There are whole holy wars about calibre and manufacture, I’m picking what UK forces have used in 9mm recently).

    I’m very much Team Glock, having owned and loved a 21 (serial number VA799) for a few years until Dunblane – but one thing I picked up from that is that full-frame military sidearms aren’t easily concealed in a way that’s readily accessible unless you’re tall, fat or both. If you need it not to be noticed, you don’t want anything bigger than a 19.

  86. ‘More than 500 kids a year die in Texas in gun accidents. Seven dead in a terrorist attack.’

    Seven dead in a terrorist attack yesterday (added for emphasis, as we wouldn’t want people to mix it up with the 22 murdered a couple of weeks ago).

    Anyway, why didn’t we hear a similar comparison about Stephen Lawrence? Also the “hundreds die in road accidents” one. Strange. Never heard it then.

  87. ‘More than 500 kids a year die in Texas in gun accidents. Seven dead in a terrorist attack.’

    I think a citation is needed here.

  88. In 2014, the last year for which CDC data is available, there where 11,000 homicides by firearms discharge in the U.S.

    6,000 were committed by blacks (mostly males).

    5,000 by everyone else, 255,000,000 people.

    Take black male homicides – mostly killing other blacks – out of the stats, and the U.S. is on par with most other Western countries.

    That the U.S. is violent, or ‘has a gun problem,’ is just made up.

  89. So the gun homicide rate by non-blacks in the USA is about 2 per 100,000 population. The homicide rate by all methods in the UK is about 0.9 per 100,000.

    The US has a gun problem.

  90. I’d like a 9″ Browning to nestle in my armpit. But I do have concerns about my tailoring bill.

    I’m assuming you meant a 9mm Browning, and I assume by that you mean a Hi-Power. Marvelous pistols (I own one myself), but duty size… Not so great for concealed carry. Might I suggest the Beretta PX4 Storm compact? When I carry, I carry a revolver, but if I had to carry a semi-automatic, the PX4 Compact would be my choice.

  91. Fuck me – who’s the ‘Big-Talkin’ Kill ‘Em All Tough Guy’ here, exactly?

    Not me, that’s for sure. It is, however, important to note that there’s a difference between standing up for yourself (what I do) and advocating the extermination of a billion or so souls based on their religious beliefs (what DocBud does).

    Just pointing out that for all his eliminationist rhetoric, ol’ DocBud doesn’t have the balls to do anything more than offer encouragement and advice from behind the battlements… Just another smug pussy who’s all for the fight as long as he doesn’t have to be in it.

  92. DtP, well you are the ‘Big-talking kill ‘Em All Tough Guy’ because you are the prick who thinks violence is acceptable behaviour. I’ll stand up for myself, but I won’t resort to violence. Feel free to point out where I advocate for the ‘extermination of a billion souls’. What I want people to do is challenge the beliefs of Muslims. This bollocks that Islamic violence is a perversion of Islam needs to be called out. Islam itself is the problem. Muslims can believe such utter, evil, barbaric bollocks if they choose, but we should be free to challenge their ridiculous ideology without being called racists and islamaphobes.

    You don’t know who I am anymore than I know or care who you are, but I’ll simply say this, when I lived in Apartheid South Africa, my mother asked me to step back from my anti-Apartheid activities because she feared for my safety and the consequences for my family. My response was that sometimes you have no choice to do what is right and that my wife was 100% behind me.

  93. “So the gun homicide rate by non-blacks in the USA is about 2 per 100,000 population.”

    At what number do we lose our rights?

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