This could actually be rather good

The film-maker Terry Gilliam has denied allegations that a famous Portuguese convent was damaged during the shooting of his long-delayed take on Don Quixote, telling people to get their facts straight “before howling hysterically”.

Well, OK, the location bit etc, but:

The new version features British actor Jonathan Pryce as the man driven out of his mind by tales of chivalric adventure.

Pryce and Gilliam? It’s unlikely to be moderate and you never know, it might all click and be glorious.

36 comments on “This could actually be rather good

  1. There’s already been a documentary about why it hasn’t been made. And the piece itself includes the announcement that filming has finished…..

  2. OT but I chanced across this article in the Telegraph:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/05/history-has-made-britons-nice-terror-means-must-learn-nasty/

    “Our history has made Britons nice. ”

    Really?

    British history consists, in part, of travelling to far off lands for commerce & profit. To facilitate which, Brits took over the administration of said lands, killing any of the locals who objected. Occasionally they bumped up against other nationalities engaged in similar enterprises. And deterred their interference by killing them. Most recently by countering German expansionism by murdering its civilians in their beds & levelling its cities with unrestricted aerial bombardment. It’s not even necessary to oppose Brits to attract their wrath. They devastated the city of Copenhagen simply because the Danes were insufficiently compliant in assisting them in their war against the French.
    If the British are nice, its certainly not thanks to their history. Not saying there’s much evidence that Brits are particularly nice. Travelling abroad in numbers, they’re quite capable of laying waste anywhere that attracts their displeasure. Or just for entertainment.
    More likely British “niceness” is a reflection of the snivelling cowardice or its current ruling classes.

  3. Lost in La Mancha. One of the best “behind the scenes” movies. There’s also Hearts of Darkness (about the making of Apocalypse Now) and Final Cut (about the making of Heaven’s Gate).

  4. Gilliam is often better in theory that in practice. Maybe it is best if it is never made?

    I am rather partial to Time Bandits but again, it is better as an idea than as a completed film. I might say the same about Brazil. Still that film shows Jonathan Pryce can do decent work with Gilliam.

    Probably the only one that lives up to its promise is Twelve Monkeys. Outstanding for proving that Brad Pitt can act.

  5. BiS,

    You’ve been reading the wrong history, please stick to true history as preached by the DT et al.

  6. The first part of Jabberwocky, before the money ran out and they were shooting by car headlights, is beautifully shot. And there’s much to enjoy throughout.

    If you thought that Gormenghast, as an exercise in descriptive writing, could never be filmed it might change your mind. And all on a budget.

    No one can dress a set with washing lines like Gilliam.

  7. My favourite story of Brits abroad is Napoleon besieging Lisbon. The king has the option of summoning English mercenaries but is worried that the cure is worse than the disease. Finally in desperation calls them in. Up the Tagus come our brave lads, swords drumming on shields, “ere we go, ere we go, ere we go!” Lay waste to Napoleon. Back to Lisbon for refreshment, lay waste to Lisbon. Sail home.

    Makes me proud.

    (Historical accuracy not guaranteed.)

  8. That sounds more like Dickie I against the Musselman than Wellington against Napoleon.

  9. Wellington’s Siege of Badajoz and the subsequent sacking by British troops was not so different from Crusades run-amokary.

  10. @BiND
    Did seem a rather fitting comment for the D-Day anniversary, though 🙂

  11. Brazil is an all time classic. One wierd piece of synchonicity that I’ve noticed is how two completely different films that you like have an actor or composer in common. During the nineties it seemed every film I liked had a Nyman score. In Brazil, Pryce’s love interest, Kim Greist, is Petersen’s wife in Manhunter, another classic.

  12. The sack of Badajoz would be as nothing compared to what would occur if the British populace were now suddenly given the right to bear firearms.

  13. SMFS,

    The problem is that he’s an arrogant ass who doesn’t play nice with others. It means he won’t do what he should do, and go and find an environment that “manages” him. He’s a brilliant director, but he always wants to be an auteur, to make his own films, rather than someone else’s, including writing. And he isn’t a good writer.

  14. wat dabney – “Wellington’s Siege of Badajoz and the subsequent sacking by British troops was not so different from Crusades run-amokary.”

    Yes, well, but Badajoz did give us Ladysmith Black Mambazo. While the Crusades only gave us better castles to increase the tyranny of the French colonial elite and to further grind the faces of the oppressed Anglo-Saxon masses into the mud.

    Although personally I think Mahlathini and the Mahotella Queens were much better.

  15. Tim Worstall said: “That sounds more like Dickie I against the Musselman than Wellington against Napoleon.”

    That sounds more like a UEFA European Championship campaign.

  16. Roue le Jour,

    “During the nineties it seemed every film I liked had a Nyman score. ”

    Didn’t he mostly do Peter Greenaway films, and The Piano? I like a couple of Greenaway, but they’re mostly bonkers.

  17. Theophrastus – “The sack of Badajoz would be as nothing compared to what would occur if the British populace were now suddenly given the right to bear firearms.”

    Come on. If people are too spineless to do it with a kitchen knife or to bother to learn how to make a car bomb, they aren’t going to shoot anyone.

    This is one area where the Islamists do lead. They show *commitment*. The British are sheep.

  18. @SMfS
    The Brits have been told to be sheep & so far, have been obedient. They’ve worn their Marks & Sparks cardies over their fur & used their fangs for smiling. Whether they continue with ovine impersonation remains to be seen.

  19. “If people are too spineless to do it with a kitchen knife or to bother to learn how to make a car bomb, they aren’t going to shoot anyone.”

    That’s a non sequitur.

    I am not against reintroducing the right to bear firearms. I simply think that the necessary regulatory apparatus and cultural change would take at least 10 years to introduce – and, inevitably, foster a huge and intrusive bureaucracy. And giving the average idiot the right to carry a gun without adequate firearms training, never mind screening or licensing, would be a disaster.

  20. the necessary regulatory apparatus

    This already exists – murder and violence against the person are both illegal.

    and cultural change

    Herein is the real problem. Cultures are bottom-up rather than top-down. If there was an appetite for gun rights then we wouldn’t have lost them in the first place.

  21. Theophrastus – “And giving the average idiot the right to carry a gun without adequate firearms training, never mind screening or licensing, would be a disaster.”

    The British public show no signs whatsoever of wanting to shoot anyone. You could hand out free AK-47s to everyone in the country and the shooting rate would not move at all. Gun violence is above all about male culture, not gun laws.

    So admittedly the Vibrants might be a little more vibrant than usual. But the British population can be trusted with guns.

    Odd gun trivia – America is having a debate about silencers (or suppressors as I think they want us all to call them). You can legally buy a replica de Lisle carbine in the UK. Originally designed so Commandos could quietly kill German soldiers. Not one has ever been used in a crime that I am aware of.

  22. Theo–Aside from the fact it has f-all to do with Terry Gilliam your comment was patronising smugsterism straight out of Central Casting for toffee-nosed Tory twats. I hope that was not your intention.

    “Average idiots” and their families are also in the front line and have as much right to protect themselves as ex-public schoolboys. Esp as the scummers who have imported our present problems are much more likely to be ex-public schoolboys than they are average idiots.

    Yes socialism and welfarism have created a lot of fatherless irresponsible shite. But the sooner such shite learn that “an armed society is a polite ” society the better. Long past time all sorts of scum were winnowed out by their own bad behaviour.

    The casualty lis of the next few years is likely to be very high in any case and –for a short while–firearms ownership might increase it.

    But as our dear leftist friends remind us –far more people die in car accidents every day and you have more chance of being struck by lightning.

  23. “America is having a debate about silencers”

    I believe they are desired as a means to prevent ear damage from the noise of the shot. Nothing sinister about it.

    “If there was an appetite for gun rights then we wouldn’t have lost them in the first place.”

    Which is curious as England and Wales (I suppose) were awash in weapons during/after the 100 years war, as everybody was obliged to have them in order to kill Frenchmen (there are worse reasons). This, and the civil wars against the Stuarts, is part of the historical background of the right to bear arms. Or so I read somewhere.

  24. Ecksy
    Without firearms training, everyone is an average idiot where guns are concerned. (I last had some such training nearly 50 years ago; and I suspect I would fall long short of best practice.) Permitting any adult to buy a gun over the counter and carry it without any checks on their mental health, criminal record etc and without evidence of basic firearms training would be disastrous in a country that has lost its gun culture. That said, a culture of responsible gun ownership could be re-established – with appropriate regulation and with gun clubs providing basic training. I think that would take a decade at least, but it could be done and it is politically achieveable.

    BiS

    “Theo is, of course, the voice of the people who ban guns.”

    Is your reading age in single figures? I have stated above that I think a right to bear arms could be introduced and I have sketched out how this could be achieved. The UK isn’t the US or even Czechia. Once a culture of responsible gun ownership is lost, it has to be re-built before reintroducing a right to carry a gun.

  25. “Once a culture of responsible gun ownership is lost, it has to be re-built before reintroducing a right to carry a gun.”

    And how,Theo, do you instil a culture of responsible gun ownership (if one is absent) without permitting ownership of firearms? We all practice with broomsticks, shouting BANG! ?
    It sounds like as Ecksy says; our betters would like to give us guns, they say, but us little people aren’t responsible enough to have them. Tsk tsk
    Personally, I regard that as an inducement to entirely responsible gun ownership. Get a gun & shoot those presuming to be our betters.

  26. Oh for God’s sake Theo, guns are easy to use. They’re a bloody sight simpler to operate than a smartphone or even a washing machine. You can teach 14-year-old CCF cadets which end of a smellie the bullet comes out of and how to make it do so in about 15 minutes. You can teach them how to strip and clean an LMG in about 15 more). At uni we used to take freshers who’d signed up for the Rifle and Pistol club through induction and range safety without anyone getting shot, even slightly. “This here is a Ruger MK II .22LR pistol. Load the mag like this. Safety on like this. Check chamber like this. Insert mag like this. Cock like this. Safety off like this. Point weapon at target like this. Keep the weapon pointed downrange at all times you fucking idiot! Squeeze trigger like this. Unload mag like this. Check chamber again like this. Working parts to the rear like this. Put it on the bench like this. Sorted? Sorted.”

  27. In better times Theo your gradual idea might have merit. But in better times with a better type of folk at the top we would not have been disarmed.

    The danger is now. 10 years is neither use nor ornament. Nor is keeping your guns in a gun club cupboard.

    Wjhen WW2 broke out lots of shooters were handed out by the state without much concern for nutters or accidents. Yes we were better people back then and the crime-fond vibrant elements were absent then. But it is noticeable how little the state is concerned to protect us from the peril of firearms when the fate of the state and the personal wellbeing of the boss class is under threat.

    They are happy enough with guns when it suits their purposes. They can get used to them for ours. They can like it or lump it.

  28. BiS

    “And how, Theo, do you instil a culture of responsible gun ownership (if one is absent) without permitting ownership of firearms?”

    Your reading age continues to fall. I never said or implied that. *sigh*

    BiCR

    “Oh for God’s sake Theo, guns are easy to use. They’re a bloody sight simpler to operate than a smartphone or even a washing machine. You can teach 14-year-old CCF cadets which end of a smellie the bullet comes out of and how to make it do so in about 15 minutes.”

    Quite so. But, generally, you can’t kill or injure yourself or others learning to operate a smartphone or a washing machine. Basic firearms training can be done briefly; but if you haven’t been trained, you should not be carrying a gun.

  29. No weapon is any use without training.

    But training should not be used as an excuse to deny ownership.

    Their are plenty of high quality US trainers who would be happy for overseas work here and lots of former gun enthusiasts here to help out as well.

    Training is not really the issue.

    The only issue is that the poli-pork know that a brave and well-armed population no longer willing to take any shit from criminal or terrorist scum might just decide they aren’t going to take any more (mostly leftist) shit from political and bureaucratic scum either.

  30. BiCR,

    The problem with arming the general population isn’t how to use a gun, its when. Randomly firing inside a crowded and confined area is more like to do the terrorists work for them than kill the terrorist.

  31. While I agree Britons should be able to own firearms, widespread carrying would only move the incidents to places where there aren’t going to be any guns. Primary schools, for example

  32. “The problem with arming the general population isn’t how to use a gun, its when. Randomly firing inside a crowded and confined area is more like to do the terrorists work for them than kill the terrorist.’

    Did I hear that the Met fired 50, to kill 3 knifemen…

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