Aha, Aha, Ahahahahaha

She really did manage to fuck it up, didn’t she?

General Election results live: Hung parliament confirmed as UK votes for chaos

There is justice:

The Tories lost seven frontbenchers, along with Cabinet Office minister Ben Gummer, the author of the widely criticised Tory manifesto.

128 comments on “Aha, Aha, Ahahahahaha

  1. Glad you find the funny side Tim.

    The good news is that the cunt wont be fiddling with the Internet now and an alliance with the DUP could still leave us with enough force to put thro’ the boundary changes that that useless BluLab cunt Camoron never bothered with. Those are worth forty seats.

    I repeat a prev posting below:

    Clearly remainiac tory scum have voted thinking to give Brexit a black eye. However I doubt that they thought that their cozy middle-class lifestyles would come so close to Corbyn’s dirty fingernails and many will presently be pissing their pants at the prospect that they might be the ones to be taught a lesson.

    The leftist weaponised pollsters have learned from their mistakes. They played on false confidence. So that lots of folk thought that they could afford to teach May a lesson a by abstaining or voting Ukip. Exactly the opposite of last year.

    Meanwhile ZaNu has busted a gut to get every piece of shit they have out. Scroungers, young snot Uni Marxists, freebie-seekers, greenfreaks and of course our dear bearded chums, Who were imported for just such a purpose.

    ZaNu has made a supreme effort while we have snoozed complacently think we had the luxury of a protest vote or abstention against Fishface.

    Boundary changes must go thro’ and wipe out ZaNu’s 40 seat advantage.

    Will remainiac Tory MPs give trouble? Maybe. But I suspect this caper will have frightened the shit out of them. The prospect of Britain’s very own Hugo Chavez forming a govt should concentraite their minds wonderfully.

    I hope the Tories will behave with maximum vindictiveness toward May and her cronies who are the authors of this mess.

    Britain has not undergone a mass change of heart in a few months. Our foes put everything they have into a punch while too many of the good guys stayed at home and this fucking mess is the result.

    Lets never do this again OK?.

  2. She did it on purpose to scupper Brexit. The Tory party should have elected Andrea Leadsom.

  3. It’s not that Tory voters didn’t come out – their vote was up. It’s just that Labour got more people out by a combination of fools thinking that socialism is nice and kind and that if ‘the rich’ only pay more they can all have free stuff. This is the logical end point of stupid people being indoctrinated by the left media and teachers. I hate to be dramatic but I think the country is ruined.

  4. Interested–Yes the Tory vote was up but how many still stayed at home or voted for UKIP having been conned by the pollsters and the media claims that it was a Tory shoo-in.

    A number of places fell by less than the UKIP votes. And how many abstentions were there? I have everywhere heard people saying the didn’t like May and weren’t going to vote as they other wise would.

  5. My guess, the Corbyn plan to buy off students and recent graduates with wiping out loans managed to get them out of bed to vote was the biggest contributor.

    Clegg and Alex Salmond losing was a highlight though.

  6. Nice to see my part of the world turn blue. Whoever is the new tory leader better make sure those boundary changes are part of any coalition agreement.

  7. The markets are gonna love this – pound already down this morning. If there’s one glimmer of hope it’s that the Tories have no choice but to put May through the wood chipper now after that performance.

  8. Good to see ecks accepting the will of the people.

    Democracy’s a bitch, innit?

  9. At least I can say I was up for Salmond. And whoever replaces Theresa Milband can only be an improvement. God, I wish Ruth Davidson was an MP.

  10. Ecks – What is ‘the purge idea’? If it’s that we should find a way to get the left out of our institutions then
    i) this idea is not exclusive to you
    Or
    ii) new (not sure what you mean by asking me what I think of it ‘now’ – I have never been against it).

    However it is very easy to make fantasy football shopping lists of wants – how to achieve it when the people who remember what socialism does are dying out and the State is regarded by young kids as the highest expression of good is a different matter.

    I agree that forcing through the boundary changes would be a good thing.

    Btw I predicted this result on here a while back. The west as a whole is done.

  11. What are you blithering about Biggie?

    ZaNu has 40 seat structural advantage that Camoron should have dealt with long ago were he not a BluLabour global elite tool.

    Lots of our people stayed away while ZaNu has brought out all the guns it has. Lots of yoof morons looking for a Bernie Sanders style handout. It is our fault in that we have sat back while said youth have been indoctrinated with socialist shite from day one at infants school and the first time they turned on the telly.

    If a hung Parliament can’t work–and it won’t unless someone can assemble a majority and keep it going–there will have to be a new vote. If so than everybody on the side opf the angels will turn out to see that this doesn’t happen again. If ZaNu achieve the same result then we really are fucked.

    Which is where you live anyway I think.

  12. Theresa Mayfly

    Ecks: ZaNu doesn’t work any more, since Corbyn was elected it’s been Old Labour again.

  13. Old Labour? No.

    Wilson and Callaghan were bunglers but they weren’t traitors and pals of terrorism.

  14. I cannot think of a bigger unforced error in the whole history of British Parliamentary politics. Perhaps the behaviour of Charles I in the lead-up to the Civil War.

  15. Ecks – you’re deluded. You must be to be able to hold these competing thoughts in your brain at the same time: Worst Tory campaign ever + Tories stayed at home + Tory vote increased.

    The boundary changes are vital but the leftist media will present them as a panicky grab for illegitimate power, social media will fall in line and stupid people will come out to ‘save our democracy’, thus making it less than a done deal.

    I get why teenagers and dole bludgers vote Labour. Unfortunately, too many people who should be in favour of capitalism, free markets and classical liberalism have been persuaded that these things are evil.

    I don’t see any upside. I think the wheel will turn and people will see, but not in my lifetime (and I’m not old).

  16. Yup, it looks like it was the kids that voted for Labour. Well, they will get their policies alright, good and hard.

  17. This is the fault of scummish young Trots. The best we can hope is a rapid falling apart at the seams and a new election in October, although why I should suppose that would lead to a different result I don’t know. If the boundary changes fail then that’s the largest squandered win in my lifetime, and I’m not young.

  18. State ownership? Smash the rich? Share the wealth? Who goes to campaign under such slogans in Russia? Correct! The Commies!

    Who votes from them? 60+ year olds!

    But in England all of this is regarded as quite chic by the under 30s.

  19. Do you realize that if we swap Zyuganov (the head Red) for Corby, than the Twitter lefties would only swarm around him to take pictures and will talk how inspiring and passionate his.

    Most people view him as they viewed Brezhnev. An old fool!

    But this is only Russia, not Soviet Britain.

  20. 1-Without their 40 seat built-in they would still have lost by enough.

    2-If you look at the marginals then many of them weren’t lost by much. UKIP voters and May-dislike can account for lots of them. More people turned out for the Tories but not as many as could have been willing for a real party and not BluLabour

    If you and Julia want to wallow in gloom you go ahead.

    ZaNu held its ground and won 29 ish seats. Under an absolute cunt backed by every liar in the UK. If he had won outright be 100 seats we might well be fucked.

    The game is far from over.

  21. Quite literally, translate quotes from Zyuganovs speeches into Eniglish and mix ’em with Corby’s speeches.

    You will have a hard time distinguishing who is who!

    With much respect but every country gets the government it diserves.

    We maybe corrupt and authoritarian but in the UK 60%+ of uni students want a loony lefty as PM!

  22. Serge Lang: “But in England all of this is regarded as quite chic by the under 30s.”

    Because they have never experienced the wonder that is socialism. Corbyn would be a self-solving problem except for the harm he would do and the fact that once Marxian scum get in–getting them out is another matter.

  23. I truly fear for Britains future. I am sure that the young lefties will get the country they deserve.

    It is not a mistery how it would look like. Look at Venezuela. It is like an oracle pointing to Britain’s future with such pussified snowflakes as youth.

    You may dodge the bullet this time but I truly don’t want to imagine how the socialist utopia that the young lefties promise will look like!

  24. Mr Ecks: “UKIP voters and May-dislike can account for lots of them.”

    Doesn’t matter if that could be reversed, the demographics are against us. As a popular pop group once sang, there’ll be trouble when the kids come out…

  25. The demographics wouldn’t be if we hadn’t allowed the kids to be brainwashed by leftists.

  26. Mr Ecks: This is what happens when Reds promise free stuff in the form of scraping tuition fees in order to make “education” more affordable because it is an “investment” where the young lefties will learn about bullshit such as gender/environmental/queer “studies” where they will be told that all problems in the world derive from evil white capitalists who exploit the wonderful minorities.

    And normal people who actually have proper jobs and do not become scumbag rent seeking bureaucrats/politicians but preform jobs that actually benefit consumers in the private sector must give up their income for this to other scumbugs as Corbyn or if not they are “anti intellectual”

  27. PS And “greedy” to, although it is somehow “greedy” to resist cunts taking your stuff but not plundering others in the name of common good.

  28. Further more your uni students must be mentally ill. In the USSR, in the glorious days of socialism, people were forced to memorize bullshit texts about how the Commies were going to abolish scarcity (although the queen for bread always grew rather than become shorter) but here you have people taking crypto Marxist degrees as gender “studies” with pleasure! WTF!

  29. Lets not forget our bearded buddies. Sans the vote–and voting for the left is why they were imported–it is again Goodnight Vienna for the left.

  30. My eldest son goes to an all boy £20k a year London private day school, so entrance only by exams and parents wealthy enough to afford to fees. And he says every single one of his classmates said they would vote Labour if they had a choice.

    My point is that being left wing is seen to be cool. But it is also the easy choice and even the more intellectually able don’t bother engaging if politics appears to be about small stuff likes handouts and small tax changes rather than the about the big principles of how much self reliance should there be.

    Off to Singapore this afternoon to visit my wife for the week. Will be interesting to see what the local press make of the UK situation.

  31. It might also have helped if our supposed anti-socialist Tory politicians mentioned the 150 million murders committed by Corby’s friends. The young and dumb might then have a chance to do some remedial reading.

  32. Andrew again
    My daughters’ classmates and their friends’ parents are broadly the same.
    It’s what happens if you spend thirty or forty years hearing that Tories are evil, Labour are about ‘fairness’ and so on. We’ve neglected the culture war and ignored the infiltration of our institutions because we were too busy enjoying life and, moreover, our side was so self-evidently right on the economic issues that we assumed pretty much everyone knew it at heart.

  33. “…every single one of his classmates said they would vote Labour if they had a choice.”

    It’s a proven biological fact that the frontal cortex of the brain doesn’t fully develop until the early 20s.

    Until then the older, instinctive parts of the brain hold sway. They see something, it looks good, it feels good, they want it and they don’t think of any long terms consequences. It’s why young people are more compulsive and are more likely to do stupid things that get them into long term trouble, like drinking, fighting, speeding and socialism.

    It’s why socialists always want to give 16 year olds the vote, it’s why we really ought to raise the voting age to 25.

  34. I’m very interested in how the hammer and sickle/Che Guevara became amusing fashion icons.

  35. Stop lying. Commies only killed 100 million people according to carious estimates! See! It wasn’t as bad!

  36. I feel for my country right now. God only knows how this is going to pan out. The only rays of light in a dark night were Clegg, Salmond, Robertson and Gummer. Particularly Gummer, the stupid fuckwit who seems to have made major contributions to that truly awful manifesto. There had been rumours that he would take over the lead of the Brexit negotiations. At least that’s not going to happen now. But what of Brexit itself. Dark parts of the night include the rise of the zombies Cable and Davy.

  37. Can we please please please ship Zyuganov to Britain. He can become a minister in Jezza’s government and we will finally get rid of the Red fever after a century! It is time ain’t it?

  38. Ecks: “… and an alliance with the DUP could still leave us with enough force to put thro’ the boundary changes that that useless BluLab cunt Camoron never bothered with. ”
    The DUP don’t like the boundary changes, and they especially don’t like the reduction in the number of seats, as the proposed new boundaries crucify them. The price would be very high.

  39. Ecks, purges are never going to happen- impossible given current public opinion. Stopping ROP immigration is never going to happen- even thinking it is racist. Even boundary changes are extremely unlikely at thus point because of how the media would spin them and likely public reaction.

    As someone else said, demographics are against us. We are old. The young will forget history and make their own socialist mistake in their own way. We will all be dead by the time better thinking prevails again. By then Britain will be a different place.

  40. The worst part is that Corbyn can keep promising free stuff from a position of no responsibility. In a way it would be better if they were in office so that they would have to try to make good on their promises and the people would see the shallowness of their politics.

  41. @NDReader

    Give the DUP anything they ask for. Honestly, who gives a toss? it’s N Ireland. With all due respect to them, it has it’s own politics and economy. NI is a ‘special case’ so let’s hold off on the boundary changes there. And have two St Patrick’s Days. And give the school kids free Guinness.

  42. Corbyn’s policies amount to a bimbo maxing out on her credit card and hoping a nice rich old man will appear to pay for it all when the bill arrives.

  43. So what’s next? Another election with a new leader? Attempt a coalition with the DUP to make a tiny majority?

    It’s a giant cluster fuck at the moment.

  44. So –in a year –the entire zeitgeist has changed and ZaNu –a pack of bungling cunts who endorse a death cult with an ocean of blood on its hands is the new in-thing?

    We need to get some balls. Socialist scum have arsed raped Venezuela in a very few years. They issue their orders and “public opinion” doesn’t mean shit. Since we are not destroying a country but trying to save it ignoring or riding roughshod over leftist opinion is entirely possible

    All you can tell me is that the Tories are such cowards that –even with a working majority –they can’t push boundary changes through and shut down Marxist uni depts.?

  45. Called an election without consulting anyone. Had a manifesto drawn up by a couple of mates and presented it to the people who had to sell it without consulting them. Online campaign virtually non existent. Imposed candidates from head office, overriding constituency parties.
    Thought it was all about her- “May’s team”

  46. BNiD–If they get in there is a good chance you won’t get them out again.

    Remember Granpa Death is a Chavez admirer.

  47. So far, the Conservatives have 2.3% more of the vote and 8.3% more of the seats than Labour. I’m struggling to detect this “40-seat structural advantage” for Labour.

  48. I’m slightly more optimistic. Yes Labour promised a free pony to the young, and they’re voted for it. They’re not going to get it. This is hardly going to encourage them to do it again. The young are nothing if not fickle and you can drag them out in the frenzy of enthusiasm once perhaps, again and again, unlikely. The Right have the people who know the real score and will continue to vote for it, election after election.

  49. Corbyn and McDonnell running around saying they want to form a minority government. The commies have got a sniff and are talking like they’ve won it.

  50. Just had a really bizarre conversation with Mrs BiND who is probably typocal of the electorate – not much interest in politics.

    She thinks Corbyn is the sort of person who should be PM because he has principles, but she can’t stand hi politics. She then said the LPUK politics from when I got involved were the best way, defence and security centralised and devolve everything else to the local level.

    I can’t fault the second bit but the first bit is the problem.

  51. @BiND
    Your wife’s position is understandable, because although Corbyn’s policies are deplorable he comes across as an authentic and approachable person. May on the hand fully deserves the label ‘MayBot’.
    It leaves one wondering how a non-corporatist candidate who really believed in what they were saying would have fared – a la Carswell or Hannan.

  52. If Corbyn becomes PM, I have a word of advice. All constituencies that voted for the Tories should succeed and form their own government. If London wanted to succeed over Brexit, than they can to.

    It would be a natural experiment a la South/North Korea and West/Easy Germaby on the desirability of socialism.

    The fools will strike gold get their progressive alliance and everybody will be happy.

  53. Yes, the culture war has been neglected. And as a result I am sure plenty of youthful muppets turned out to vote for Corbyn. But I wonder how big a problem the Tories have with people like me, who ought to be their natural supporters, but who despise them more than we despise Corbyn and his type.

    The only difference between Corbyn and May is the speed at which they’ll take us over the cliff.

  54. “She thinks Corbyn is the sort of person who should be PM because he has principles”

    This is a common attitude I’m afraid, especially in people who struggle to make value judgements for themselves. Thus anyone who has a value structure to guide their decisions is better suited to lead, regardless of what course of action that value structure dictates.

    Hence why it is vitally important for the Right to have a man or woman of principle at the helm, not someone who abandons them in the hope of electoral gain.

    May was not one of those people. Nor it has to be said was Cameron. Both of whom have failed to lead the Tories to decent victories, the 2015 win being marginal (and somewhat similar in votes cast for the Tories as this hung Parliament). Had May stuck by the ‘dementia tax’ proposals as laid out, and defended them on principle (which was eminently doable for a person of the Right, on grounds of fairness, the idea that a person pays their own way if they are able to etc etc) then I suspect she would have actually gained votes over it. Instead she immediately caved in, showing her policy had no principles behind it.

  55. BiND,

    “She thinks Corbyn is the sort of person who should be PM because he has principles”

    This is why the snap election was a disaster. If it had followed normal course, we’d have left Corbyn in place until a year before and then started going after him and spent a year destroying him. He doesn’t have principles. He’s a terrorist sympathiser and has been shown on a number of occassions, a liar. Not a “bend the truth” lie, but barefaced lies. He might project a “kindly old grandad” image, but he’s indecent as far as I’m concerned.

    I think it’s the student bung and maybe Brexit that did it.

    One silver lining: even with all that, he still couldn’t win. And another one is that the PLP might back him a bit more, even despite this.

  56. “It leaves one wondering how a non-corporatist candidate who really believed in what they were saying would have fared”

    I’ve heard people say very positive things about Jacob Rees-Mogg purely on the grounds that he says what he believes and sticks to it. I’m not sure he’s everyone’s cup of tea, but then again I’d say the same about Corbyn so who knows?

  57. This sums it all up:

    ——————-
    Vote by age group
    (Sky Data on the day poll)

    18-34:
    Lab 63%
    Con 27%

    35-54:
    Lab 43%
    Con 43%

    55+:
    Lab 23%
    Con 59%
    ——————-

    It was the young. I’ve been saying this for ages. The young have been force-fed anti-right-wing propaganda for years by our schools and Universities. I’m very worried about the future (but before Ecks has a go I’m not giving up — there are always rays of sunshine in the distance. Many young people eventually come to their senses).

    BTW Ecks can be right in saying both that the core Tory vote was down, and the Tory vote overall was up, because it could be that while a lot of Tory voters stayed at home, a lot of former Labour voters voted Conservative.

  58. I think it’s the student bung and maybe Brexit that did it.

    I think the Brexit part crucial.

    Time and again, Labour won seats through getting more of the disappeared UKIP vote (the reverse of 2015).

    Presumably Brexit supporters are aware that Corbyn is anti-EU, and while the young are not.

  59. “But I wonder how big a problem the Tories have with people like me, who ought to be their natural supporters, but who despise them more than we despise Corbyn and his type.”

    WTF? As bad as May is, how can you despise her more than people who openly profess their admiration for Marxism and Communism?

  60. Just seen Farage on the BBC saying betrayal of hard Brexit “which people voted for” lies ahead. Haven’t laughed so much since Bob Crow dropped dead. People didn’t vote for hard Brexit, they voted to leave the EU, which was the question on the ballot a year ago. You fucking Outie dickheads who so enjoy tuggging each other off here by kind permission of Mr Worstall are going to be disappointed.

    In other news, May will hang on until Boris can be stopped, though it will be dressed up as steadying the ship of state.

  61. The snap election was a bad idea, as I have been saying for a long time (not just now).

    Before 2015 the Conservatives hadn’t won a outright majority for 23 years. An outright majority is a precious thing. You don’t throw it away for no good reason.

    Nothing was being blocked in Parliament. The threat of a snap election should have been held as a trump card for as long as possible, for when something relating to Brexit became an intractable problem. (And then it should have been quick, focusing on the issue at hand. Not six weeks, allowing Brexit to fade in importance, and the young/student vote to be rallied with offers of free stuff.)

    Also, it was obvious that May called the early election purely for party political reasons. There was no principle involved. There was no issue with Brexit at the time. That doesn’t go down well. And people don’t like constantly having to vote (it’s not just the voting, it’s having to listen to the interminable campaigns. And now we may have to have another one.)

    Also, she called the election at a time when anti-establishment politics is on the rise. In the era of Brexit, Trump and Le Pen, you’d have to be crazy to risk your majority, especially when your opponent is seen as anti-establishment. (And especially when, as I just said, your move will be seen as opportunistic.)

    And of course there were terrible mistakes made during the campaign. But there never should have been an early election in the first place. The Conservatives had three years left to achieve something, and they risked that. Even if they’d got a bigger majority it would have made little difference to what they could have achieved.

  62. What a complete and utter balls up. May makes Heath look like a political genius. At least Heath had the excuse of a disastrously unlucky period in office – Corbyn’s mates bombing their way around the country, strikes, the Oil Shock. May had a perfectly serviceable majority and a muppet opponent but threw it all away.

    Now she’s fucked. I really think Labour will win the next election later this year. The nightmare scenario. By winning 40% Corbyn has shed the ‘joke’ tag. He has gained legitimacy. The Conservatives fired all their ammunition at him and people didn’t care. They are fine with an Islamist sympathiser in charge of the country. The criticism of him from parts of Labour was about his electoral liability; that is now gone, so no more attacks from the Left. May is fucked.

    Genuine Communists and a party riddled with anti-semites in charge of the country, our borders, police and economy. Dear God.

    But it just goes to show if you can promise to someone that you’ll plunder their neighbour you can get away with anything. People on this country are too stupid to think even five minutes ahead. “Just give me their stuff, whatever”.

  63. I agree with Rob – this is an absolute disaster for this country and its future. We have a period of full-on socialism coming up – the only consolation is that socialism fails faster these days.

    Against that, though, the awful effects of a Corbyn government would be spun by a compliant BBC as ‘Brexit coming home to roost’, regardless of how soft Brexit now actually turns out to be.

    I don’t remember being quite so depressed or pessimistic about the future of this country. We are absolutely fucked.

  64. “People didn’t vote for hard Brexit, they voted to leave the EU, which was the question on the ballot a year ago.”

    Yes, we voted to leave the EU. Not stay half in. If my wife and I get divorced, that doesn’t mean we still sleep with each other 4 nights a week.

  65. What there needs to be is massive and comprehensive devolution of powers back down to local government level. Decades of government centralisation have insulated Trots from the actions of their votes. Theveil needs to be torn aside, just like the EURef has torn aside the veil from central government. HMG can no longer wail “oo, we’d like to, but evul EUz!”, similarly, local government must be forced into a position of no longer being able to say “oo, we’d like to, but evul Toreez Government”. Voters need to see that electing Trots to the council gets them Trots running the council, as a model for what they would get if they vote for Trots to government. At the very least it would either changing voting habits, or force the Labour Party to morph back into the pre-war municipal constructionism that they did so well.

  66. “I hate to be dramatic but I think the country is ruined.” Aye, and it’s the young chumps who voted for this who will be able to clear off somewhere else, and the codgers who voted against who will be stuck here.

  67. “Genuine Communists and a party riddled with anti-semites in charge of the country, our borders, police and economy.”

    I know, where’s a good Jewish conspiracy when you need one?

  68. Let me out it this way, Tel: you’re not yet disappointed enough. Give it time. Eventually you’ll wonder why you spent all those years voting for the snot pizza.

    I concluded many years ago that the Tories are bed -blockers against the emergence of a pro-liberty party of property. They’ll sell you and those principles out faster than you can blink for a whiff of office.

  69. My source tells me that our local council had a budget in place some time ago for another GE in the autumn.

  70. May made a mistake on fox-hunting. There was no great need to do that, it wouldn’t get her any extra votes, while it tipped some potential voters away from her. But you could see why she did it – at the time she thought she had the election in the bag.

    But the bigger mistake was threatening the internet. That was a really big mistake. It galvanized a lot of people I know, and we’re not even talking young people, into going out to vote against her.

    And it was a really big mistake because by then she should have realised that the election was not in the bag at all. (And of course threatening the internet did nothing to allay the fears of those worried about Islamic terroriism, who could see that nothing serious was being done about that.)

  71. BiND,

    “She thinks Corbyn is the sort of person who should be PM because he has principles”

    You aren’t beating her hard or often enough.

  72. “Let me out it this way, Tel: you’re not yet disappointed enough. Give it time. Eventually you’ll wonder why you spent all those years voting for the snot pizza.

    I concluded many years ago that the Tories are bed -blockers against the emergence of a pro-liberty party of property. They’ll sell you and those principles out faster than you can blink for a whiff of office.”

    Edward, I agree with all of what you say about the Conservatives. I don’t normally vote for them, but this time it had to be done. Corbyn and his team are virtual Communists, who would ruin this country in a few short years.

  73. Don’t be such negative nancies. The majority of people didn’t vote for the Marxists, and they didn’t win a majority of seats either. Yes, the kids did but most people become more conservative as they get older and wiser. People who are now in their 60s were voting for labour (42% compared to 24% Tory) back in the 1974 election.
    MayBot will team up with the DUP, Brexit will happen and her illiberal internet censorship shite will not go through. She can be then fed into the wood chipper after Brexit, leaving room for a candidate who believes in something.

  74. May is the embodiment of the expression that being born on 3rd base doesn’t make you a triple hitter.

    She’s just a slimy politician with no principles, when principles are precisely what the public wants, and is useless outside of greasy pole climbing.

    Thatcher she certainly isn’t.

  75. Perhaps one tiny favourable outcome of this clvsterfvck is that when Corbyn does become PM, it might just accelerate the sort of society here where (1) we don’t have to read or listen to the likes of Owen Jones any more, because they will all be bungee jumping off tall buildings without any elastic restraints (2) Polly Toynbee’s repulsive boat will be forever shrouded in black cloth.

  76. “Yes, the kids did but most people become more conservative as they get older and wiser.”

    I hope you’re right, but back then you didn’t have the whole educational establishment force-feeding you leftist propaganda from a young age. You didn’t have social media bubbles, meaning you get ostracised the moment you stray the reservation.

    “leaving room for a candidate who believes in something.”

    Good luck with that.

  77. Peer pressure has always been a thing, social media or otherwise. And if the trendy socialism espoused by the likes of Corbyn becomes mainstream, then that too will be rebelled against.

  78. “most people become more conservative as they get older and wiser.”

    How much wiser will they get in three months?

  79. The political climate has certainly been kicked in the knackers when my ex-wife, a LD member, Leave voter, former LD candidate living a solid Labour seat that the LDs crippled themselves trying to win seven years ago, has told me she voted Conservative. And I, a LD member, Leave voter, former LD councillor, living in a solid Conservative seat that Labour have turned into a marginal, voted for an Independent.

  80. “Don’t be such negative nancies. The majority of people didn’t vote for the Marxists”

    40% of the country voted for Marxists, and you’re saying this is nothing to worry about? 40 fucking percent? The Tories only won 42.4%. With 30-odd seats lost in England and Wales? If it hadn’t been for the UKIP vote collapsing after the EU Referendum win then we may have been seeing a Marxist government.

  81. Labour offered electoral lollipops and an apparently unspun campaign, but at least they had a plan. May’s team — a Home Office policy wonk, a PR girly (both inexperienced but drunk on power) and the little Gummer boy – didn’t have a clear plan or a clear message. The campaign revealed May’s weaknesses – vacillating, plodding, stubborn, robotic – and Corbyn’s strengths – avuncular, principled, ‘hopey’, unspun. The Tories never targeted Corbyn’s fantasy economics or argued forcefully – and positively – for private enterprise and free markets. Instead, they negatively focussed on his IRA and other terrorist connections, and character assassination (eg “demon eyes”) and fear-based campaigns (eg the EU referendum) tend not to play well.

    I am worried about Brexit now; but I don’t despair of the country yet….However, I see the problem for all liberal democracies as stemming from combining a welfare state with the universal franchise. I would like to see most state employees and most long term benefit claimants lose their right to vote. It’ll never happen, of course; but I can dream.

  82. “I’m slightly more optimistic. Yes Labour promised a free pony to the young, and they’re voted for it. They’re not going to get it. This is hardly going to encourage them to do it again. The young are nothing if not fickle and you can drag them out in the frenzy of enthusiasm once perhaps, again and again, unlikely.”

    I’m less optimistic than this. Now that the young have had a sniff of victory they’ll turn out again. In fact there may be more of them next time because they’ll drag out all their mates as well. Revolutions thrive when the young are turned into fanatics.

  83. Cheer up. People vote left when they are young and naive and they go right with age. Increasing lifespan and the ageing population means the demographics are with the right.

  84. “The Tories never targeted Corbyn’s fantasy economics or argued forcefully – and positively – for private enterprise and free markets. ”

    But May explicitly said she was against those things. It’s hard to see her doing another u turn and maintaining what little credibility she has both in the party and country.

    It doesn’t bode well for another GE.

  85. What do you mean by ‘right’? A small-c conservative might opt to preserve nationalised industries if that’s what they’re used to. If the Marxists get in and start fucking shit up, it’ll need to be reversed PDQ so it doesn’t become the new normal. But there’s nothing about this country that suggests it’s willing to face economic reality.

  86. “Agreed with Ed Lud on the Tories crowding out a Classic Liberal party.” Unfortunately a Classic Liberal Party that would never win an election.

  87. “I see the problem for all liberal democracies as stemming from combining a welfare state with the universal franchise.” It’s particularly bad if they combine those two with mass, unselective immigration.

    “I would like to see most state employees and most long term benefit claimants lose their right to vote. It’ll never happen, of course; but I can dream.” It might happen under the Comrades, but then everyone else would lose their rights to vote too.

    I would like to see most state employees and most long term benefit claimants lose their right to vote.

  88. BiND

    May is now a caretaker leader; and the Tories could soon put together an offering with more appeal to the 18-34s – rent controls? Tuition fee reform? – while also effectively countering the Corbynomics.

    My guess is May will hang on until there’s an outline of a Brexit deal and then she’ll step aside to let someone else finish the job. On the other hand, who needs enemies when you are dependent on the DUP?

  89. The Tories prove again they’re not the answer. Just another part of the problem.

  90. A lot of our side didn’t like the shit she was offering–a police state that still does nothing about the RoP , the Great British Chi-Com Firewall etc. Dementia taxes Even fox-hunting

    A lot just didn’t vote

    As for the Youth bulge what are the numbers as well as the percentages?

    John Price: Don’t chew your dick off in ecstasy yet fool.

    If our side only just managed to beat a numpty yours still lost to one.

  91. “Tuition fee reform?”

    For some reason a large part of the country thinks we can afford to send half of our youth to waste three years ‘studying’ gender, modern dance and Marxism.

  92. I don’t see what Timmy is laughing about.

    The Conservatives ran the most lacklustre campaign I can think of and May’s refusal to appear on TV debates didn’t come across as dignified but as scared.

    They have thrown away a 20 point lead against a complete muppet. How are they going to negotiate Brexit?

    I’m looking for a new job and feel as much despair at my future as staunchly socialist remainer Mrs Sparrow has been feeling for the last couple of years.

    If the Torys had elected David Davis instead of Cameron I don’t think they would be in this mess which would be better for the country as a whole.

  93. @interested

    Generally by avoiding talking politics. As a Tory I’m very much a sopping wet One-Nation-Conservative and she’s not quite as left wing as she thinks she is.

  94. Never, dearieme? Even I’m not that pessimistic.

    When Labour was young, about a hundred years ago, it didn’t stand around worrying its ideas would never happen so there was no point in trying. Instead it proselytised with a will.

    Now, a hundred years on nearly half the electorate is marinated in that cowardly, never-grow-up psyche and the political-cultural architecture of the country is what is was by 1951.

    It’s a stupendous achievement. And it shows what can be done.

  95. The good news is that Labour ran an excellent and tightly-structured campaign, and the Tories were hopeless.

    Also, Labour, and their social media army, were clearly prepared for the slings and arrows (the man of peace response for example). Meanwhile, the Tories were being constantly caught unawares of their own policies.

    Despite this, May won or “won”.

  96. Theresa May to December had a shit manifesto. It wasn’t particularly Conservative. Was it produced by trying to have a few promises to suit every taste in it? Who was it meant to appeal to?

    Rob said: “For some reason a large part of the country thinks we can afford to send half of our youth to waste three years ‘studying’ gender, modern dance and Marxism.”

    Subsidise STEM courses. Let the rest pay their own way.

  97. Subsidise STEM courses. Let the rest pay their own way.

    It would be better to find out where the burden of tuition fees is falling. Tricky at this stage, but the data available is increasing.

    It’s quite likely that much of it will still be paid from general taxation (including from wealthy non-graduates), with lower-income graduates paying just some of the debt prior to it being wiped out.

    Even before discussing the overall numbers, a winning policy might simply be:

    1) Tuition fees stay in place, because they move some of the burden to those buying the service. It’s not only fairer than “free tuition” it may not be fair enough.

    2) There may be a case for slightly better support for the able but disadvantaged (made more possible by not charging the many for the education of the few).

  98. Dennis : “What I want to know is why Theresa May decided to hire Hillary Clinton’s former staff to run her campaign.”

    Your remark about stupid from the other day covers it nicely.

    Made no difference anyway. She only took advice from two of her equally dim cronies who are both now out of the HoC on their arses.

  99. “May is now a caretaker leader; and the Tories could soon put together an offering with more appeal to the 18-34s – rent controls? Tuition fee reform?”

    God no. Not more centrist, economically idiotic proposals. That’s what’s just been tried, and failed. Trying to lure young Labour voters with lame, half-baked proposals that none of them will believe, or care about, while pissing off your base.

  100. Tel

    “God no. Not more centrist, economically idiotic proposals. That’s what’s just been tried, and failed. Trying to lure young Labour voters with lame, half-baked proposals that none of them will believe, or care about, while pissing off your base.”

    Exactly, all this does is concede the entire point to Labour and makes the debate only about the degree of handouts the government should provide. Once you have conceded the idea, then whoever offers the biggest will always win.

  101. Tel/DM

    I’m not recommending rent controls – or even a reduction in tuition fees as such – but the Tories will have to respond to the youth vote by producing an offer that increases their share of it without alienating their pensioner support. Otherwise, they could lose big next time. So far, so practical politics. At the same time, they will need to get over the message that a free and open economy is the only way to fund public services and that the deficit must be eliminated and the debt reduced.

  102. How about free tickets to a couple of dozen giant festivals – then cunningly arrange the festivals on a Thursday.

  103. “I’m not recommending rent controls – or even a reduction in tuition fees as such – but the Tories will have to respond to the youth vote by producing an offer that increases their share of it without alienating their pensioner support. Otherwise, they could lose big next time.”

    Whatever the conservatives do they need to appear distinctly dfferent to Labour. Offering young people other people’s money is something they should definately not do. They could instead reduce restrictive laws (e.g. drug laws), or reduce taxes.

  104. Those negative purple bar graphs were a joy to behold. As was the UKIP bloke mouthing “terrorist sympathiser” while hiding behind Corbyn during the record breaking count acceptance speech.

    By and large, previous UKIP supporters went back left.

    You lot must have teflon craws.

  105. Cheesez–UKIP already won. BluLab fucked up –poss by design prob nay certainly thro’ stupidity. Your boy Corb talked up a storm of shite with the freebie youth and had the beard boys in there as well.

    And he still lost.

    The holes in your head are lots bigger than those in your hands.

  106. “UKIP already won” What? They’re a political party. They did well with 4M votes (IIRC) last time. One would think that their vote would increase – riding the wave.

    They flatlined. Embarrassing.

  107. As the man on the telly behind the Busy Bins lorry said: Corbyn showed it doesn’t have to be this way.
    There has been a complete shut down of political debate from the Moronic Margaret onwards. The retro

    Corbyn showed that before her time students weren’t ruined by debt, young couples could buy their houses, having saved up a deposit while renting, new towns and motorway systems were built rapidly and without fuss, as much by the Conservative Macmillan as by anybody on the Left.
    But the Tory Thickos junked the post war consensus in its entirety and young people are beginning to re-discover it with some enthusiasm having been repressed for decades into thinking that house prices must always go up and that Economics exists to ensure that they can never have what they quite legitimately want and need.

  108. “They won by forcing the Tories to hold the Brexit referendum you soft twat.”

    But, but, but what about all Tim’s policies and ‘hard’ work behind the scenes?

    They’re a fucking party, not a lobby group and they lost all of their vote. How come their former vote moved back to Labour in droves?

    You soft cock.

  109. Back a decade I started making the point that the difference between the “living wage” and the minimum wage was that people started paying income tax after about the first £5,000 of income in a year. And if the personal allowance was instead up at where the minimum wage was then the “living wage”, post tax, would be met by the minimum wage. I did this at the ASI and I also got it into the UKIP manifesto.

    I know exactly who picked this up, took it into the Lib Dem system, and who got Clegg to put it into the Coalition agreement. I also know who convinced Osborne it was a good idea.

    And guess what, the personal allowance has risen strongly since then, on that basis that people shouldn’t be paying income tax if they’re just getting the minimum wage. Not quite complete yet but nearly there.

    Never going to be a Lord Worstall of course. But yes, this is my policy and it has been enacted, largely at least.

  110. Tim,

    Bravo to you and all that, but I’m not entirely convinced it’s a good policy..:)

    Not for this thread, which would now be gone but for Brian, but:

    No personal allowances (at all), a flat rate (to include the effects of NI), or even a temporary lower flat rate if in transition, far less complexity wrt tax codes and tax returns (except for the fewer on a higher rate), smaller payroll departments throughout country (all salary payments take an automatic witholding deduction of x%, nothing else to do), ok a transition period for the sectors that are mostly low paid to give time to adjust wages / salaries to the new equivalents / adjust for competitive issues, and loads more I’ve forgotten since originally trying to ticklist this into pluses and minuses

    might be a much simpler result. Yes, of course, more to it than that.

    Lord of the Muff might also approve as everyone would have a stake. 😉

  111. Tim is Richard Murphy and I claim my prize.

    “I did this at the ASI and I also got it into the UKIP manifesto.” Yes, you said. How did that go for you?

    Decade here, decade there, my Lord. Anyway: Lib Dems? Aren’t they Marxian scum that need a jolly good purge?

    Interestingly it’s true you’ve never criticised LibDems, may be you posted a yellow vote?

    Were you opposed to the MW at its onset?

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