So, not quite the real story then

His lordship had no male heir to his title and an entail provided for the estate to pass to another branch of the family. It is not dissimilar to a plot from Downton Abbey in which the Earl of Grantham has three daughters and no son, so the title and estate will pass to a distant cousin. It was also the real-life situation of the 10th Lord Braybrooke, whose Audley End estate, near Saffron Waldon, in Essex, surrounds the finest Jacobean mansion in England.

The issue came to the fore in 2013 when Amanda Murray, the eldest of Lord Braybrooke’s seven surviving daughters, revealed her irritation at being deprived of both the title and the vast inheritance because of her gender. “It boils down to this: if I was a boy, I would be sitting pretty,” complained Murray, who for many years had run the estate for her father. “My poor father had no son, just lots of daughters. In this day and age, with supposed equality, why am I not allowed to inherit my father’s estate? It’s discriminatory.”

Well, yes and no really, Because the title and the land are going in different directions:

Although the law on royal succession was changed in 2013 to allow the firstborn child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to become monarch, regardless of his or her gender, the concept of primogeniture remains for the aristocracy. As a result the 11th Lord Braybrooke will be Richard Neville, a distant kinsman and internet entrepreneur who lives above a hair salon in Battersea, south London. In another twist, because of a special covenant laid down by the 7th Lord Braybrooke in 1941, the estate itself passes to Louise Newman, a landowner from Devon and the seventh baron’s granddaughter.

You ain’t getting the land because grandpappy said so, nothing to do with the law nor primogeniture.

39 comments on “So, not quite the real story then

  1. It must be awful to be so oppressed that you are forced to use the Establishment national newspaper to present your case.

  2. “You ain’t getting the land because grandpappy said so”

    Grand pappy is a dead white male so his opinion is illegitimate.

  3. What’s happened is that the 7th Baron’s sons were both killed in action in the second world war. His daughter couldn’t inherit, having the wrong chromosomes, so the title and estate went to his nephew. Now under the terms of his covenant the estate reverts to his daughter’s daughter.

    Ms Murray never would have lived there in the first place had it not been for the discrimination she’s complaining about.

  4. “the concept of primogeniture remains for the aristocracy”: not always. There are some titles that can pass to a woman. For example, that Duchess of Sutherland who was notorious for the clearances on her land was earlier Countess of Sutherland in her own right i.e. she had inherited from her father, the 18th Earl of Sutherland. I understand that there are English examples too.

    WKPD: As the younger and only surviving child, she succeeded to her father’s estates and titles. Her title of Countess of Sutherland was contested by Sir Robert Gordon, Bart., a descendant of the 1st Earl of Gordon, but was confirmed by the House of Lords in 1771.

  5. By the way, this means that the chap who lives above the hairdresser now becomes Visitor of Magdalene College, Cambridge.

    From the statutes: Robin Henry Charles Neville, tenth Baron Braybrooke, and after his death any successor in title to the Barony of Braybrooke, shall be Visitor of the College as representing the Founder, Thomas, Baron Audley of Walden.

  6. Dennis, it seems to me rather a mystery why the War of Independence happened. Americans tend to be little help on the matter because they’ve all been indoctrinated with foundation myths. I don’t suppose any historian would be interested in writing a proper history since that wouldn’t be what sells books in the US. So I’ll just have to go on wondering.

  7. Dennis, it seems to me rather a mystery why the War of Independence happened.

    A thorough reading of The Declaration of Independence,The Federalist Papers, and any good biography of George III should clear that up.

  8. Back in 2013,

    ‘Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg, duly seized on Mrs Murray’s plight. Mr Clegg told Parliament on Tuesday that he was now ‘sympathetic’ to attempts to ‘tackle the gender bias in hereditary titles’.’

    I am now fully committed to jumping on this bandwagon, the only way to tackle this serious gender bias issue is to ban all hereditary titles forthwith (no titles = no bias).
    When Brenda (sadly) finally keels over, Charles will not be crowned Queen, he will simply be known as Charlie Windsor (he does get to keep the money though).

  9. I should point out that those currently holding titles get to keep them but when they shuffle off the words ‘The Last’ should be prefixed to their title.

  10. DtP
    “A thorough reading of The Declaration of Independence,The Federalist Papers, and any good biography of George III should clear that up.”

    +1

  11. @BobRocket, June 10, 2017 at 4:28 pm

    …When Brenda (sadly) finally keels over, Charles will not be crowned Queen, he will simply be known as Charlie Windsor (he does get to keep the money though).

    Pardon?

    Charlie Windsor becomes King. He doesn’t keep all the money – it remains in the Crown estate, as does Windsor, Buck house, Balmoral etc.

  12. Err, no, Windsor, Buck House, are Crown. Balmoral and Sandringham are personal. Brenda can’t leave the first two to anyone other than the next Monarch, the second two she can leave to me and or you if she wishes. Probably she won’t but….

  13. Actually,I stand to inherit Sandringham. Small matter of accidentally getting between a gamekeeper’s buckshot and the Mistress of the Stool.

    I intend to turn it in a caravan park, benevolently to free up the road to the north Norfolk coast.

  14. The American rebellion started because a small group of people in a distant land wanted to have the same rights as the British.
    Fascinating to examine what these rebels did – and with a lot of help from the French the rebellion succeeded. With no death star destroyed either.

    The royalists wanted a temporary king so they arranged to have one who would do the handwaving and king stuff, they called him Mr President.

    Many of their existing problems remained but they were problems that could be blamed on local politicians rather than distant ones.

    And they kept up with slavery for quite some years afterwards.

    It Is one of the few successful rebellions by a minority group before the 20th century and could not have succeeded without help from another state.

  15. “A thorough reading of The Declaration of Independence …”: that’s just what I mean when I refer to people indoctrinated by foundation myths. Read by anyone without an indoctrination the Declaration is a risible document – a dishonest advertising flyer. It simply makes no sense. It’s a mixture of lies, of complaints so trivial that no sane man would risk his neck for them, and complaints so massive that the whole population would have risen in revolt (whereas it’s estimated that perhaps 25% supported independence, and far fewer than that were prepared to fight for it).

  16. Read by anyone without an indoctrination the Declaration is a risible document – a dishonest advertising flyer. It simply makes no sense. It’s a mixture of lies, of complaints so trivial that no sane man would risk his neck for them, and complaints so massive that the whole population would have risen in revolt

    Of course you don’t get it… You’re European. The fact that you don’t get it is an essential element of being a European. If you could figure it out, you’d be here.

    P. J. O’Rourke once observed that about 150 years ago every European with an I.Q. greater than his hat size packed his bags and moved to ‘Merica. There is much truth in this… Not so long ago the best and brightest of your forefathers looked around, said “Fuck it. This sucks. We’re leaving.” and then left. For ‘Merica.

    I’m still waiting to see that mass migration from ‘Merica to England, France or Italy develop… Hell, you don’t even get ‘Merican lefties threatening to leave for Europe whenever a Republican gets elected president. The first thing they say is they’re gonna move to Canada. Hey, they’re cunts, but they aren’t so stupid as to be packing their bags for Glasgow, Athens or Leipzig.

    And by the way, as you’re reading that biography of George III, be sure to contrast the caliber of his ministers with the worth of men like Washington, Madison, Hamilton, Jefferson and Jay.

  17. An aristocrat appealing to ‘equality’ so she can be given status and wealth she thinks she earned by merely existing.

    Can we all just take a moment to admire that.

  18. European immigrants to America were mostly either hyper-religious nutjobs, whose legacy remains clearly visible, or those too dim to scratch a living without starving to death.

  19. ’m still waiting to see that mass migration from ‘Merica to England, France or Italy develop… Hell, you don’t even get ‘Merican lefties threatening to leave for Europe whenever a Republican gets elected president.

    DtP, that’s because you are all Philistines and wouldn’t be able to cope with the cultural overload.

  20. Neither the Federalist papers nor the Constitution are anything to do with explaining the rebellion: they are just an attempt to come to some satisfactory arrangement between the States after the first arrangement failed.

    “the best and brightest of your forefathers”: what a ridiculous claim. Almost nobody among the best and brightest moved – it was overwhelmingly mediocre people who moved. The dim couldn’t afford it, apart from the convicts and the indentured labour, and the bright just didn’t go. What you got was an assortment of religious extremists, people who were fleeing the magistrates, or their wives , or the bailiffs, and people who were attracted by cheap land and less competition.

    The only member of the “best and brightest” who springs to mind was Priestley, who was no volunteer; he was chased out by the mob, and was anyway going bonkers by that stage.

  21. “the concept of primogeniture remains for the aristocracy”

    Not quite. Thriving in the Labour Party and the left-wing media.

  22. European immigrants to America were mostly either hyper-religious nutjobs, whose legacy remains clearly visible, or those too dim to scratch a living without starving to death.

    Yes, Europe abandoned the Christian faith and substituted it with Nazism and Communism. That worked out well.

    And when exactly was it that Silicon Valley moved away from Leeds because everyone there was too fucking rich?

  23. Neither the Federalist papers nor the Constitution are anything to do with explaining the rebellion: they are just an attempt to come to some satisfactory arrangement between the States after the first arrangement failed.

    As Timmy would say… Sigh.

  24. A sigh is a poor substitute for an argument.

    “The American rebellion started because a small group of people in a distant land wanted to have the same rights as the British.” Not so; if they’d had the same rights they’d have had to pay far more tax. They were the lowest taxed civilisation in history; whatever the rebellion was about, it wasn’t about a deep desire to pay tax.

  25. Actually there is a lot in the myth category. Tea party – thrown by people who resented not an increase in tax but a decrease that was being pushed through.

    No taxation without representation – they didn’t want to be less British they wanted to be MORE like the British.

    Great gem – the Caribbean was making all the money. The colonies were a drain.

  26. “It boils down to this: if I was a boy, I would be sitting pretty,”

    Is it only me who thinks she doesn’t really care about the title?

  27. A sigh is a poor substitute for an argument.

    Let’s review:

    1. Wog expresses bewilderment about American Revolution.

    2. Wog asks for explanation.

    3. ‘Merican provides same.

    4. Wog doesn’t understand.

    5. ‘Merican expresses lack of surprise.

    6. Wog decides to argue rather than think it over.

    What now follows is…

    7. ‘Merican declines to argue.

    While abuse is always free in my part of the woods, arguing isn’t. And it especially isn’t free when it comes to arguing with Wogs about why living as Wogs beats everything else.

  28. The alternative point of view is that the American displays a risibly low level of argument and historical knowledge. Which is usually true in any discussion

  29. Wog remarks that Americans overwhelmingly understand precious little about the causes of the rebellion, having been indoctrinated with rubbish all their lives. American replies, after a fashion, by alluding to foundation myths, thus supporting wog’s point about indoctrination.

    As ‘Andrew again’ said “Tea party – thrown by people who resented not an increase in tax but a decrease that was being pushed through.” And how many Americans realise that? One in hundred?

  30. @Tim Worstall, June 10, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    Err, no, Windsor, Buck House, are Crown. Balmoral and Sandringham are personal. Brenda can’t leave the first two to anyone other than the next Monarch,

    Thanks for the correction, new facts learned. I shouldn’t assume.

    the second two she can leave to me and or you if she wishes. Probably she won’t but….

    Oh dear. The poison dwarf from the north must be cackling & rubbing her hands with glee as she drafts a law to inherit Balmoral.

    Is Holyrood Palace safe from her evil clutches?

  31. Let’s continue…

    8. Wog again declines to think, then blames his lack of understanding on the ignorance of the ‘Merican public and/or any ‘Merican within shouting distance.

    9. Other wogs agree with him so they don’t have to think either.

    10. Wogs all feel better about themselves and bask in the glow of their own self-proclaimed intellectual and moral superiority.

    11. Rinse. Repeat.

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