News Just In!

Alia makes the legal minimum wage for her job in her province: 2.3 million rupiah, or about $173 a month – but that legal minimum is among the lowest in Indonesia as a whole, and as much as 40% lower than in Chinese factories, another labour source for the Ivanka Trump brand.

Poor people in poor countries make shit wages.

Film At 11!

They do rather bury Paul Krugman’s point:

And Yuma, a young unmarried woman, said, “I’m glad that I work at Buma now, because my parents are farmers and it’s a tiring job. Here, at least there is air conditioning.”

Yep, sweatshop[s are shitty but they’re still better than a life of staring at the south end of a north moving water buffalo.

Those Satanic Mills weren’t too great either but they were better than what people left to enter them.

20 comments on “News Just In!

  1. Those Satanic Mills weren’t too great either but they were better than what people left to enter them.

    The lefties believe that land clearances forced the peasants into factories against their will, having previously been quite happy grubbing about in the fields from dawn until dusk.

  2. I’m not quite sure why they don’t just tell us that Trump is evil because he wants to introduce protectionist policies and fuck with globalisation and free trade. We’d probably agree with them then.

  3. They’d never accept that the consequences of forcing a huge increase in their wages would be professional people, nurses, doctors etc thinking “fuck it, I can earn more in a factory with no stress” and suddenly you have a recruitment crisis, which they will blame on neoliberalism.

  4. I think I’ve mentioned on here, before, I’ve a bit of land up in the mountains*. It’s got a small but comfortable house on it. Water’s the agricultural supply. But that’s coming from the source bottled by one of Spain’s desirable mineral water bottlers. There’s a little electricity thanks to a solar panel array. It’s likely as good if not better a place to live than enjoyed by many of these 3rd world peasants the bleeding heart liberals are so concerned about.
    Occasionally I lend it to folk want to do the back to land shite. Mostly BHLs. There’s no reason at all they couldn’t make a go of it. People who built the house did for hundreds of years. They were the ones carved the terraces the land consists of, out of a mountainside with their bare hands. I lived there for a while. Kept goats ‘n chickens. Grew stuff. Pretty well self sufficient.
    Longest any have lasted was 4 months. Onset of winter drove them out. Having to hump the cooking wood 4km uphill on their backs in the pouring rain. Heating? You carry it, you burn it. Shortest was two days.
    Do wonder if any of them have ever learnt anything. Don’t seem to. They’re still ignorant, soft sheets & central heating assholes.

    *I don’t exactly own it. Brit guy gave it to me but we never did the paperwork. I don’t want to be responsible for the taxes & the obligations come with it. He bought it & lived there for years. Did a bit of casual work locally to supplement what it produced. Until ill health & age sent him back UKwards.

  5. “We don’t like Donald Trump’s policies”

    Ask them to name one. Stand back and watch them stammer.

  6. > professional people, nurses, etc thinking “fuck it, I can earn more in a factory with no stress”

    That’ll happen soon enough, if the Tories go ahead with George Osborne’s promise to increase the National Minimum Wage to £9/hr by 2020 (only three years away now).

    Perhaps not for nurses, with their valuable pension schemes, maternity rights, and general job security; but it’s already happening in plenty of other fields.

  7. Gamecock,

    Easy: the Muslim travel ban; scrapping Obamacare; withdrawing from the Paris Agreement; something about coal mines, etc.

  8. Rob,

    “They’d never accept that the consequences of forcing a huge increase in their wages would be professional people, nurses, doctors etc thinking “fuck it, I can earn more in a factory with no stress” and suddenly you have a recruitment crisis, which they will blame on neoliberalism.”

    Most factory work today isn’t standing around all day hitting a rivet with a hammer and going home when the whistle blows. I know a few factories and there are almost no “grunt” jobs in them. Your nurses have experience in using Catia for Airbus? A CNC machine for an F1 team? Optimising C++ for a parking meter company so they can run on solar?

  9. “Having to hump the cooking wood 4km uphill on their backs in the pouring rain.” I can’t help but think it might be wiser to carry it up on dry days.

    Tell me, why hadn’t the earlier peasants planted some trees of their own?

  10. @dearieme, if it’s 4km up (which sounds extreme for Spain) that’s above any treeline.

    [/pendant]

  11. @TIW, people doing those factory jobs will not be on minimum wage. OTOH, the lad sweeping the floor between the machines, stacking the trays etc will be.

  12. @dearieme
    It’s up at around 2000m, so probably below the tree line. There’s certainly a patch of pine growing in a sheltered valley a little lower. But the average slope on this area’s around 1 in 10 & the natural soil’s pretty thin.
    Probably this area was forested after the ice age but the Carthaginians would have used most of that for firewood. Presume that’s the peasants you’re referring to :).

  13. BIS

    Forgive my urbanite ignorance, but why can’t you get a mule for firewood duties? Don’t they just eat grass and scrub etc?

  14. BraveFart said:
    “Forgive my urbanite ignorance, but why can’t you get a mule for firewood duties? Don’t they just eat grass and scrub etc?”

    Isn’t that what the Spanish have wives for?

  15. Few young spaniards want to work the land. There’s c.50% youth unemployment in Andalucia, but it’s eastern europeans who harvest the crops.

  16. So, Andrew M, you’re an Indonesian garment worker?

    The article cites one alleged issue: ‘He had followed news of the so-called Muslim ban on TV this year.’

    Indonesians give a shit about that you say?

    Your list of grievances is irrelevant . . . and stupid.

    “Easy: the Muslim travel ban; scrapping Obamacare; withdrawing from the Paris Agreement; something about coal mines, etc.”

    ALL Muslims should be banned. Obamacare should be scrapped . . . plowed under and salted. The Paris Agreement where the U.S. pays $100,000,000,000 for nothing? Coal mines are good, more should open. Etc.

  17. The irony is that the sort of increase the Guardian wants in her wages would put her into the sort of “prosperous working class” bracket which allows her to compete with the equivalent Guardian reading class over there, thus pushing useless middle class wankers out of areas they want to live in and creating the same resentment they have over here. Lol.

  18. Gamecock,
    Steady on, we’re on the same page here. They managed to find one garment worker who was annoyed that (a) Trump had made it harder for her to escape to the USA, and that (b) Trump wasn’t going to give her country squillions under the Paris agreement. The rest is ripped off from @AmenaShaladi‘s playbook.

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