Thanks Macco, thanks

The French president, Emmanuel Macron, has claimed the door to the EU will remain open to Britain during Brexit negotiations that get underway next week.

In remarks that will be taken as an encouraging sign by opponents of a hard Brexit that there may be room for compromise, the newly elected French leader said the decision to leave the EU could still be reversed if the UK wished to do so.

Most kind of you.

That’s the EU all over, isn’t it? Referenda aren’t done until the vote goes the right way…..

17 comments on “Thanks Macco, thanks

  1. Quite. Nige stated that he would have had his again had it gone 52/48 the other way. Once he gets his result that’s the will of the people settled for evah. Sauce for the goose anyone?

  2. BiG, I believe Nigel said this just before the actual vote when the polls showed a victory for Remain. It is understandable when you have been campaigning for decades to leave, but he was just speaking for himself and had the vote been to remain he would have been rightly regarded as a single irreconcilable maverick figure. A vote to remain would have been accepted as conclusive by the establishment – the same people who refuse to accept a vote to leave.

  3. What worries me is that the Tories seem to be convincing themselves that the election result was caused by their support for a hard Brexit.
    Can’t be true of course, that 20 point lead was there for months when they were pushing that, it was priced in, but they seem to be going that way.
    Whatever the reason for the loss it has to be something that emerged during the campaign.

  4. So Biggie–for Brexit(the good guys) we have one bloke in a moment of despair thinking that he has spent half his life and still failed making a single foolish statement. For your scum-sucking buddies the Remainiacs we have every lying, deceiving, manipulative sack of shite in the Western world trying every possible trick of propaganda or legal twattery to get their own way.

    Yeah that is what a leftist would call “equivalent”.

  5. Again, we have national leaders speaking on behalf of the EU. Where is the EU negotiating team? If they can’t even impose enough discipline among their ranks to have a single spokesbody, the UK should take them to the cleaners.

  6. “Where is the EU negotiating team?”
    Did you mean the question literally, TimN? Out in the boonies of Belgium unable to find their asses despite possession of a routemap, I’d imagine.

  7. Where is the EU negotiating team?

    Sorry to drone on about this: Varoufakis has the answer.

    There is no EU negotiating team. There’s an EU obfuscation operation which is why there is not just Michel Barnier as the EU Commission’s chief negotiator but also Guy Verhofstadt grinding his axe supposedly on behalf of the EU Parliament and then there’s nice Donald Tusk and the Council plus 27 member states.

    Each of these has a conduit to Berlin, of course.

  8. @Ecks,

    I recognise I’m a tiny minority in these parts but you have to get with the fact that almost half of your fellow citizens, outside the echo chamber, think leaving is a fundamentally stupid idea (in the same way you think staying is a fundamentally stupid idea).

    Taking a step back from the issue itself, you have to accept that is a pretty non-reconcilable position you have yourselves in there, but reconciling it has got to happen somehow. And it’s certainly not the case that all of the 52% voted to burn the thing down entirely. Even Philip Hammond is the peoples’ choice, as hard as it is to believe.

    That crude split of a range of views into two factions is actually a good reason to hold a referendum on the final outcome. It would also put a lot of pressure on Brussels to maximise their compromise and offer the UK the best possible deal outside the EU. Reasons not to are that there are actually two alternatives to the negotiated deal (stay in or burn the thing down), and the politicians will probably offer only “burn it down” in order to bully the electorate.

    And now with this general election result, as the Irishman said, wherever you want to go I wouldn’t start from here.

    Creating such a shambles that Brussels looks organised? For everything else, there’s Mastercard.

  9. That crude split of a range of views into two factions is actually a good reason to hold a referendum on the final outcome.”

    Thought you’d had one. I didn’t realise it was necessary to have another. Would the question this time be worded “are you really sure?”

  10. Any referendum on the deal would have to be “Leave with this deal; or leave with no deal”. We’ve already decided we’re leaving.

  11. “I recognise I’m a tiny minority in these parts”

    The troubled often are Biggie.

    “but you have to get with the fact that almost half of your fellow citizens, outside the echo chamber, think leaving is a fundamentally stupid idea (in the same way you think staying is a fundamentally stupid idea).”

    A substantial number of my fellow citizens thought that they might prefer the devil they know. The idea that everyone who didn’t vote to leave is a bitter-ender Remainiac puke is one that the Remainiacs would like people to believe.

    Anyone who has studied the EU and doesn’t want out either has a personal stake in their rip-off or is a active traitor. There is NO benefit or reward within the EU for anyone not in the handout cycle and/or the corruption cycle. They are anti-freedom, anti-prosperity (the kind of prosperity freedom and free markets bring: there is plenty of prosp under their rule for the corrupt scum who are on their team) and are part of the social-engineering, 7th century importing Marxian evil presently trying to piss on and fix Western Civilisation’s wagon for good.

    “Taking a step back from the issue itself, you have to accept that is a pretty non-reconcilable position you have yourselves in there, but reconciling it has got to happen somehow.”

    Absolute cockrot. Most remain voters –as opposed to Remainiac scum- are not that bothered and only will be bothered by whatever bad news the shite of the EU/Remainiac traitors try to send our way. We lived for many years without the Euroscum and will we abide for many years after they are gone.

    “And it’s certainly not the case that all of the 52% voted to burn the thing down entirely.”

    The opposite of love is not hate but indifference. Most people over here couldn’t give a shite what happens to the EU –esp their fucking scum grandees.

    ” Even Philip Hammond is the peoples’ choice, as hard as it is to believe.”

    A Remainiac voted in because he is tory. Don’t know Runymede but very likely lots of well-off, middle-class, cultural Marxist (until they have to pay of course), London Bubble BluLabour dross. As well as good people who have had a bellyful of euro crap.

    “That crude split of a range of views into two factions is actually a good reason to hold a referendum on the final outcome.”

    That is bullshit Biggie that could by applied by stooges of evil to any election result, anywhere, ever.

    ” It would also put a lot of pressure on Brussels to maximise their compromise and offer the UK the best possible deal outside the EU.”

    They already had the chance to do that for Camoron INSIDE the fucking EU. The arrogant cunts offered him a bowl of shite with some whipped cream out of a can on top. Except they didn’t bother with the whipped cream.

    You seem to have a delusional idea about the nature of your masters Biggie.

    “If Reasons not to are that there are actually two alternatives to the negotiated deal (stay in or burn the thing down), and the politicians will probably offer only “burn it down” in order to bully the electorate. ”

    Bully??? I would JUMP at the fucking chance to burn the EU and the scummy BluLabour and eurocucks polluting the Western world.

    “And now with this general election result, as the Irishman said, wherever you want to go I wouldn’t start from here.”

    Once again–the GE had fuckall to do with soft runny shit talked by cowardly, treasonous BluLabour cucks about Brexit. Jezza supports hard Brexit cos he can’t nationalise jack shit under the rule of your gang. He would doubtless sell us out over the Dindustan express looking to import 2-3 million more in his 7th century time machine but he isn’t on team soft (in-the-head).

    “Creating such a shambles that Brussels looks organised? For everything else, there’s Mastercard.”

    May created the shambles Biggie–I said she was fucking thick and or an active traitor and she is. If we could be rid of the treasonous BlueLib shower Brexit would be put through and a reality quicker than Albert Pierpoint could hang you.

    Anyway –what’s your beef Biggie? Secure as you are in your EU teutonic paradise what do you care?

    You should look out for yourself.

    Only last week one of your imported pals decided his missus was unfaithful, stabbed her 19 times, threw her out of a second-floor bathroom window and ran downstairs to cut her throat from ear to ear. Your German cuck friends charged the fucker with manslaughter.

    With advanced justice like that it likely won’t be long before folk start nosing around what (I imagine) is your very nice gaff.

    You should get yourself a shooter Biggie. With Mer-Cow and Granny’s Boy “leading” Europe you will need it.

  12. But the choice you’ll get, BiW, is “here’s a deal where you get to claim you’ve left, but there are so many conditions attached that you may as well not have bothered” vs “fuck you”. It won’t be a real choice of deals, just an opportunity to change your mind in disguise.

  13. i liked the comment from paul j watson – Stick to fucking grannies & keep out of our business.

  14. The difference in saying you would continue to campaign after the referendum is that if it had gone remain but close the question can be left on the table for the future, like the Scots referendum. Once you vote leave it triggers a process of change so you have to carry that through, once that’s done then yes someone can campaign for a join referendum. The different outcomes of the referendum
    Have different logical states

  15. BIG what did you expect Farrage to have said? Remain will win by a slim margin? Oh alright then I give up, all those years campaigning for leaving the EU, best I just put those behind me and pop down the pub.

    Even if you take what he said in the most negative sense there’s still a world of difference between campaigning for your views and trying to convince people versus doing your utmost to delegitimise a valid result.

    You see the same kind of shit when a child doesn’t get the politician they want as PM/President, can’t accept the outcome, have to try and make it invalid; Conservatives not having an absolute percentage of the voting populating, Obama’s birth records, Trump and the Russians, Trump’s not the popular vote winner etc.

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