She’s in trouble, ain’t she?

Theresa May had provoked widespread criticism and anger on Thursday after failing to visit the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire when she came to the Westway road – staying for 15 minutes and swerving any contact with locals.

On Friday afternoon, word spread she was due to come back, this time to visit St Clement’s Church, where volunteers had been boxing up donations. Before long a crowd had gathered, filling the street outside the church.

As they waited, the people became increasingly hostile, shouting at her to come out and face them. One man began chanting: “Get her out! Get her out!”, while another screamed at police barring the door to the church: “Why have you brought her here? If she cared she would have come yesterday.”

Forty minutes passed, and still nothing. Then one of the waiting riot vans started up and began to move forward, parting the crowd. The Prime Minister’s Range Rover rounded the bend.

“She’s come out the back,” a woman shouted. As the car began to speed away the crowd rushed towards it. Around 70 people were running after her as police attempted to barricade the vehicle, creating a human barrier between the mob and the Prime Minister’s car, shoving people off as they tried to bang on the windows.

People screamed “shame on you” and “coward” as the car sped away.

The fear you or love you bit works for dictatorships but not for democracies.

Of course, these dimwits are being emotionally incontinent, the people who show up to share the pain, show the nation cares, are the Royals, that’s what they’re for. The PM’s the executive, not the figurehead.

But still, if that’s the way that people are reacting then May’s got a big, big, problem, not one I would expect her to survive for long.

82 comments on “She’s in trouble, ain’t she?

  1. If there is a government policy issue. I am sure there is with the cladding won’t it be the fault of the Brown Govt? Or Greenies? One person who isn’t at fault is May.

    Does anyone know if these are locals or a rent-a-mob?

  2. She could cure cancer and world poverty and still wouldn’t be liked.

    Replacing her is a tricky problem which has moved from soon to urgent if not immediate.

  3. @ benaud. Quite true, but she carries the can for the time being. Just a face of public life.

  4. People wonder why she doesn’t want to meet a mob who will harangue and try to attack her?

    Haven’t the police got enough to do without pandering to a rent-a-mob of violent thugs?

    It’s not a personal thing – whoever was Tory leader would face the same.

    I hold no candle for Mrs May, though I don’t think she is anywhere near as bad as the Left and the media try to portray her. I am just not sure what people expect her to do in the circumstances.

  5. This is Momentum-stoked Rent-a-Mob ism.

    Like Ahmadinnerjacket seemed to be doing a while back in trying to bring about the coming of the 12th Imam, Momentum seem to be trying to bring about the Final Crisis of Capitalism.

    I fully expect them to whip themselves up into a fury over the next few months – then imagine what happens if Their Man becomes PM – a semiprofessional protest mob trained to smash things, now in the service of the government.

  6. She’s only in trouble if the SJWs win. The right need to fight back against the Marxist rabble. And it is marxists pushing the agenda, just look at all the SWP signs in the Grenfell demonstration.

  7. Whatever you do in such circumstances, your political opponents will criticise you for it. I remember when Margaret Thatcher staged some visits to hospitalised victims of some disaster or other, the left talked about her “exploiting photo-opportunities” and “making political capital out of human misery”.

    *If that’s the way that people are reacting then May’s got a big, big, problem*: That’s the way that *some* people reacted. Whether honestly or not, and who they represented, we don’t know. Why would somebody who’d been in a fire want the PM to visit them anyway? What good would it do? It’s just bollocks.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see that Asian guy who kept appearing on Newsnight before the election in the background of some of the shots.

  8. This is where the MSM is manifestly failing to do what it says it’s for, There’s a story here. Have a trawl through photos & footage of other demonstrations they’ve got on file & it’s guaranteed they’ll get a match with faces amongst the Grenfell protesters. From there, the story writes itself. “Tragedy hijacked for political advantage!” And it shouldn’t be hard to tie those same faces in with Corbyn. Largely discredit him.
    Trouble is, the MSM is largely made up of people favourable to the Labour cause. No-one wants the story.

  9. They think it’s working with Trump and they are doing it here.

    Unfortunately, May is not Trump (don’t get me wrong, I like neither of them) and she doesn’t even know where to begin to handle this stuff.

  10. I don’t get why they want/wanted the PM to come. It’s COUNCIL housing, it’s the COUNCIL’s responsibility.

    Later, some idiots were protesting about the government outside the TOWN HALL. They live in the centre of London, they should have at least half an idea where the GOVERNMENT lives.

  11. She’ll resign at the start of the summer recess. We’ll have a new PM before the Tory conference. The Blonde Buffoon will not win….But then my political predictions here tend to be reliably wrong.

  12. I’ve never known anything like it. There have been tragedies before like 7/7, Bradford fire, Kings X fire, Hillsborough, that Spirit of Free Enterprise ferry company, and we grieve, and compensate, and have an enquiry and make some new regulations which have resulted in better policing and football grounds which are of such a fine standard now that women can use the toilets.
    We would rather excellent regulation came before tragedy naturally, but a lot of people want to smash the system whatever that is following this awful Grenfell fire. The reaction has been so different. I hope there isn’t an assassination.

  13. A good proportion of them are definitely rent-a-mob. Unless the tower block coincidentally happened to house the local chapter of the Socialist Worker fan club – those signs didn’t pop out of nowhere. Guido has also identified one of Corbyn’s activists at the Town Hall protest.

    Having said that, I would imagine many of the locals are angry too. But probably for different reasons, and probably not so much against the Tory Westminster government.

    The anti-Tory story doesn’t really have much substance to it.

    This is not an austerity problem – over a million pounds was spent just months ago renovating the tower and putting on this infamous cladding. The housing is owned by the council and managed by an association that is basically the council (and has had board members from both Labour and Tory sides).

    The cladding was mandated by EU rules adopted under Brown, I understand (not confirmed that yet). The building regulations that permitted it, were probably Blair era.

    But the biggest shock from a responsibility side of things is the fire alarm issue (the cladding was a terrible design but was probably regulation-compliant). Alarms were installed and were neglected.

    But politically I’m not sure how much things like this matter. Throw enough mud and people just get the impression that Tory austerity was to blame, even if it had nothing to do with it.

  14. @bongo
    I’d be more convinced if this had happened oop north or somewhere else in UK where there’s still a sense of community. But there’s virtually no “community” in this part of London. And quite a lot of its residents are from the sort of places & are in London under the sort of circumstances, they’re not going to be wanting to draw attention to themselves by jumping up & down in front of TV cameras. The whole thing looks manufactured, to me..

  15. The police should be recording the faces of everyone involved because it doubtless that this crew is just the ski-masked Antifa thugs trying to show a softer “concerned” side. But of course the police won’t do that.

    Theo- I feel Boris’s time has passed, for now at least. Ideally we’ll get a solid leaver as PM, which means for sure they will choose a solid remainer to try and quell the opposition from the left.

  16. “She’ll resign at the start of the summer recess. We’ll have a new PM before the Tory conference. The Blonde Buffoon will not win….But then my political predictions here tend to be reliably wrong.”

    Probably the most attractive scenario that causes the least political turmoil as its hard to see the Brexit negotiations going on throughout the summer.

    I’d also hate to see Boris in the job, not just because of his antics but it also plays in to the hands of the hard left. As next leader I think Sajid Javid would be a good political move. The first Asian PM would make it difficult for the hard left to attack him even though he was a banker. Given the political cycle he’s also about as free market as we’re likely to get.

  17. Corbyn’s claim in the GE that austerity had resulted in police numbers being cut was a clever thlugh devious move. Despite police matters being her responsibility as Home Secretary, the Maybot was pathetically unable to refute Corbyn’s lie. The Corbynistas are using the austerity tag again with this calamitous fire. And they’ll keep on using it whenever possible. These people are interested in the ‘narrative’ – feelz, if you like – not the truth ( which is rarely pure and never simple).

  18. SadButMadLad said: “She’s only in trouble if the SJWs win. The right need to fight back against the Marxist rabble. ”

    The problem for May is that she has a history of SJW-ism herself so won’t know how to fight back. May pushed the modern slavery bill (which appears to have spread like wildfire to other jurisdictions), speaking in support of Sharia courts, grasping for Ed Miliband’s energy price rise cap when what we need is more power stations, the race pay gap, etc.

  19. @Bongo

    A lot of people feel cheated that their guy ‘won’ the election but hasn’t been allowed his rightful place at Number 10. Their guy, the only one who cares about them. The one the residents – disempowered people who politicians have ignored their whole lives – hugged and told that the country need him. Instead, the one who doesn’t care about them, the one who probably would quite like it if they all died, has clung to power. The one whose government could have stopped this, but didn’t (no retroactive safety regulations, three regs out for one reg in, etc). “Blood on her hands”, the protest banners said, as if Mrs May had decided to do some active slum management, figured how many immigrants were in the tower, then cackled as she set it alight herself.

    Lots of angry people in London, whether because they are a privileged lot who just thought they or their kids were about to receive a £27k tuition fee bung and had it snatched from them, or because they have had friends perish in a monstrous yet wholly avoidable disaster.

    One thing that makes this event different to other disasters is that the media act as a belated and angry national conscience, outraged that inequality killed these people (you might disagree with that analysis but it is hard to imagine a millionaire-filled tower de luxe suffering the same fate) who for decades everybody has assiduously ignored (including the media, which is why I suspect they are now trying so very hard to put things right). We hardly knew these people were here among us, or what struggles their lives were filled with, and now we/society/the people who run this place have, through our neglect, let them die horrific deaths while we watched voyeuristically on. Other disasters have often had a clearer scapegoat to (rightly or wrongly) blame, but this one is being seen through the prism of what it reveals about our entire society, the way it treats people at the bottom of it, and ultimately the way this tragedy condemns the elite at the top.

    If it is a long, hot, dry summer and May stays on, then the streets may be packed in short order.

  20. As mentioned above, it was a SJW rentamob, not real people. Also, while the media thinks London is the centre of the universe, I don’t think the rest of the country cares quite as much about this local tragedy as the Beeb might think. It’ll be forgotten in a month, sooner if there’s another Ramadanabigbomb.

    It’s energising the Trots, who have had little to excite them until the recent better-than-expected election results. But May doesn’t need to give a shit about Socialist Worker types and London-dwelling mystery meat rabble who weren’t gonna vote for her anyway.

    She needs to care about the opinions of actual English people living in the parts of England that are still English.

    And that’s why she’s in trouble: she has the unfortunate gift of exciting her enemies while depressing her own base.

    Mrs May is just crap at politics. She couldn’t politics her way out of a wet paper bag. She needs put out to pasture and replaced asap with Gove, Rees-Mogg, or someone similarly gifted with a dollop of personality and nous.

  21. As next leader I think Sajid Javid would be a good political move. The first Asian PM would make it difficult for the hard left to attack him even though he was a banker.

    Sorry mate, no. That’s not how it works. Ask any number of black US Republicans.

    And he’d be a disaster for turning out the Conservative vote.

  22. “Rees-Mogg” – This. Even in 2017 there is nothing the British like more than being told what to do by a really posh bloke. It’d be a landslide.

  23. I don’t disagree with anyone that the nucleus of the protesters will be a rentamob, but there is a zeitgeist in the air (at least in London, at least among the young) that they’ve captured the spirit of. There will clearly some very angry residents, given how they reacted to May’s visit (even Khan’s) though I’m sure most of them are far too busy trying to stitch their lives back together. But there is an effect of “their rightful anger justifies my righteous anger”.

    Do people outside the capital care what goes on in it? Perhaps not, but the media are there, and the optics of a weakened government that is in office but no longer in control look atrocious.

  24. Ken Clarke’s “Bloody Difficult Woman”, for all that she’s charmless and unlucky is likely to be prime minister until mid 2019.

    On the one hand, her party has no alternative leader to coalesce around and on the other, she seems to have taken on Brexit as her own personal mission and she will be determined to see that – a Brexit that means Brexit – through if she possibly can.

    I expect a lot of grit being on display during the negotiations, a resurgence of popularity for Conservative cabinet government and a realisation that we have passed peak Corbyn.

    Also DNR will continue to be troubled around the period of the full moon.

    My predictions are probably not as good as Theo’s, of course…

  25. Thanks for the correction TimN.
    I’m a fraction too young to remember Aberfan, but the anniversary was last year, and the warnings had been made, quite specific ones, but it didn’t seem to be like this week where the blame game trumps the grief, and the blame seemed to be directed to the NCB, not the whole frigging governmental system where the one with the most seats gets to win the election.
    Agree with BiS – Sajid Javid is a sensible chap, decent manager by all accounts.

  26. Magnusw – One thing I like about the Moggster (as friends know him) is that he’s disarmingly posh.

    Unlike, say T. Blair or Call Me Dave, he doesn’t adopt a fake Estuary intonation or otherwise pretend to be someone he’s not. That’s an asset, not a liability. The vast majority of working class and middle class voters don’t have a problem with cut glass accents and Etonian educations, we’re actually quite tolerant.

    More importantly, he’s likeable, trustworthy on Brexit, and not an idiot. That’s an automatic upgrade from the current PM.

    Dunno what the appeal of Sajid Javid is meant to be. He’s from a Moslem background, so he’s got that going against him, but he also can’t persuade Moslems to vote Conservative, so he’s a net vote loser on that score. He’s an ex banker who opposed Brexit. And he looks like a weird animatronic free range egg.

    Bongo says he’s a decent manager, which I’m sure he means as a recommendation, but to me looks like the worst sort of faint praise.

    Britain doesn’t need a manager. It needs a leader. The Tories aren’t in this mess due to a lack of dry-eyed managerialist pishtalk.

  27. As next leader I think Sajid Javid would be a good political move. The first Asian PM would make it difficult for the hard left to attack him even though he was a banker.

    Ha ha. They’d fucking kill him even if he was an imam. The Identity Politics is a tactic, useful when required but only in the pursuit of absolute power. That’s all that matters. To even give the benefit of the doubt that they are sincere is an error.

  28. No. This is London, the new Liverpool, only worse. Despite all the talk of it being the most dynamic city on earth, blah blah, the reality is that it’s a total shithole, stuffed full of parasites of various sorts: public sector non-jobbers, the unemployed and immigrants living off massive levels of housing benefit.

    Whatever May had done, the Owen Joneses of this world would have complained about it. These people are not the decent old Labour party that would come together in a crisis, put down the politics and while bodies were still warm, do the best things.

    As it happens, things like this will be wonderful for the Conservative vote. You don’t behave like this in places like Swindon.

    Dig a moat inside the M25, create the Socialist City State of London and create a new capital in the Cotswolds.

  29. “Dunno what the appeal of Sajid Javid is meant to be. He’s from a Moslem background, so he’s got that going against him, but he also can’t persuade Moslems to vote Conservative, so he’s a net vote loser on that score. He’s an ex banker who opposed Brexit. And he looks like a weird animatronic free range egg.”

    Ha. On the other hand, he at least was a fan of Thatcher (and unashamedly so) and the son of a bus driver.

    I’d give the job to Gove. The lefties fucking hate him, and he doesn’t care. He seems to feed off it. His attitude at Education was “I’m here to improve education for kids, and you people are a necessary cost”.

  30. TIS – agreed. He even wears spectacles, which would just go to prove how tolerant we are on the right of the differently ablisted.

  31. BIND is on to something tipping Javid. He has a story to tell and knows how to tell it.

    The reason May hasn’t been visited by the men in grey suits already is that an anyone-but-Boris campaign is going on behind the scenes and it isn’t over yet. Until it is, she is the least worst option but time is running out.

    So it could be Javid, or it could be Spreadsheet Phil, who looked like a grown-up well before the 2010 election, still does, and is certainly not as wooden as May, or it could be DD, though at 68 he seems a little long in the tooth. It won’t be the fragrant, radiant Amber Rudd – too vulnerable to a decapitation strategy with her modest 3-figure majority. Perhaps she’ll be available for long lunch dates shortly.

    Nobody really knows anything, do they? Within the next week the Tory deal with the DUP could sink, any Queen’s Speech vote could be lost, Jezza Corbs could be given a go, and then we’ll really have some fun.

    This governing business is harder than it looks, eh?.

  32. So a cobbled-together government with a majority of 4 falls, so the answer is a cobbled-together government with a majority of minus 13. I really don’t want to see that try and work.

  33. MyBurningEars said: “I don’t disagree with anyone that the nucleus of the protesters will be a rentamob, but there is a zeitgeist in the air (at least in London, at least among the young) that they’ve captured the spirit of. ”

    Their claims are various riffs on lack of money and uncaring, unaccountable government. Quite how this applies to a building which appears to have recently had £10m spent on it, was being managed by representatives of tenants, was home to a number of refugees and is owned by the local council, I don’t know.

    The only spirit that has been captured is the rentamob and media working together to attack a weakened Prime Minister.

  34. I agree that May is probably the least person to blame in all this. She’s not even pro-austerity. She wants to raise spending.

    There’s no zeitgeist, just the usual hard-left chancers trying it on again, as they do with every opportunity. But it could turn the public mood. Depends a lot of the media. They give this sort of stuff credence, and the supposed right-wing media — Telegraph, Sun, Daily Mail — have a lot of lefties working for them these days. Plus you have the social media bubble working overtime.

    As for alternative leaders, don’t rule Boris out yet, he can connect with people much better May or Hammond could. Hammond can’t be taken seriously, you’d hope. David Davis doesn’t seem like the type who would attract the bile that May does, so he has a chance. Javid doesn’t seem to have the spine. Gove would be great but doesn’connect so well with ordinary people.

    The government needs to get the police cracking down on violent political protesters. For years they’ve let them get away with too much, and now they’re ruling the roost. Things are only going to get worse across the West, with the Scalise shooting in the US and the attack on Andrew Bolt in Australia portents of what’s too come.

  35. Look at it this way. The UK is extraordinarily, absurdly generous to the poor. Billions are spent every year on council housing. The people in the Grenfell Tower were only there because of the (forced) generosity of the taxpayer. Apparently £820 million pounds was recently spent in London on green initiatives to clad council blocks with green cladding, and generally improve them. This is hardly penny-pinching, this is unaffordable extravagance.

    If the rent-a-crowd mobs should be marching anywhere, it should be to the Greenpeace offices. Or to the offices of those in the UK government and the EU who have been puishing a green agenda. They’re the ones who have made fridges dangerous. They’re the ones who have pushed to have green cladding put onto concrete.

  36. Like some, I could see Javid struggling to inspire the core vote – the UK is not just London – and beating Corbyn (when the time is right) will be about turnout. Now the perceived threat is real (I can’t believe I’m saying that – the man’s a fucking loon!), you just need someone that most non “Marxists / SJWs / other assorted twats” will feel comfortable with.

    It actually doesn’t matter if they drive all the lefties, greenies and watermelons barking mad – that’s almost a bonus – the important thing is that it’s someone who the majority of normal people in the country “will” get off their backsides for. Someone reasonably appealing with charisma, utterly robust, and who can wilfully expose Corbyn’s lack of cerebral.

    More immediately, May desperately needs someone with half a brain to advise her. Why on earth did she go back for a second day (to the church), what was she actually trying to achieve with that?

  37. >the supposed right-wing media — Telegraph, Sun, Daily Mail — have a lot of lefties working for them these days.

    Too bloody right. The coverage of the fire in the online Mail, especially yesterday evening and today, could have been handed to them on a plate by the SWP.

    The discussion about who could replace May – May! – is as depressing as the rest of this affair. It reveals the paucity of talent at the heart of our loathsome political class, motivated as it is nowadays purely by narcissism and greed.

    IMO this sorry business is one of the first unequivocal indicators that Britain is fucked.

  38. I’d need to be assured that Javid is a non-practicing Muslim, preferably by seeing him down a yard of ale and eating a bacon buttie. There is no way I’d ever vote for a practicing Muslim, that they believed in the cult of PedoMo is all I need to know about them.

  39. Why no politician has announced that the all singing all dancing big government ( parliament to local authority) has failed in its core function ie to keep people safe in exchange for taxes whether from flammable housing or jihadists and promised to make this their chief goal to which all else is subsidiary, I don’t know. I think it’s a vote winner. If executed successfully confidence in the political classes may be salvageable. Otherwise an Ecksian solution becomes overwhelmingly attractive across the whole political spectrum.

  40. Britain doesn’t need a manager. It needs a leader.

    TIS is entirely right.

    What this means in practice is a leadership contest. Neither Brown nor May had one and coronations should now be verbotten. (Howard also, come to think of it).

    The leader’s precise views should be of secondary importance. The right person will appoint people who are not only competent but capable of sticking up for themselves.

  41. Jack C

    +1

    Following on re Momentum, isn’t there more to it than this?

    At the moment, any attack against May is in reality likely an attack on the success of Brexit. Hence, the fact that parts of the MSM are happily allowing May to take flak, I would suggest is part of the same process?

    The establishment is still determined that Brexit shall not pass, hence aren’t we simply seeing the appropriate tactics towards that greater end?

  42. I’m not sure May is lucky or unlucky rather than merely a dud with rubbish advisors, in that each time the Government hits a rough patch, another catastrophe pops up to distract. Theresa still takes the hit, of course, but it’s in no one’s interest to have her removed as the she remains the perfect repository for other people’s sins.

  43. Rees-Mogg is bright, cool under pressure, erudite without the arrogance, solid in the areas we round here tend to like, even made Owen Jones like him when he interviwed him.

    He is loyal, tolerant and always presents coherent arguments. He is the real thing. My daughter despite PPE and masters from LSE considers him top-notch.

    The only question is whether he has the ambition and the steel for the nasty bits you have to do. If not, go for Gove. He pisses the lefties no end and just about everyone has forgiven him for shafting Boris already.

  44. The problem with Gove is not that he betrayed BoJo but that he thought he could become leader by doing it. It would be a very bad idea to put someone with such poor judgment in charge of the brexit process.

  45. SJW

    A point to think about. True it was an error of judgement, whether it is a defining one, maybe not so much…

    ‘Twer a difficult time and ….

    I’ll mull it over

  46. That mob looked organised. Difficult to imagine what your state of mind would be like after experiencing the towering inferno at first hand, but would you really be up for storming a town hall? And for what purpose, given the response already. 5m crowd funded and 5m donated from central government. Promise of local rehousing. And an immediate review of all public housing. That there is anger against inaction, and not listening is understandable, but would it be that focussed?

  47. TF

    “The coverage of the fire in the online Mail, especially yesterday evening and today, could have been handed to them on a plate by the SWP.”

    The Daily Mail has a highly successful populist formula: every article must make the readers either angry or fearful. Anger and fear sell the rag. If, in the short term, that means the right-wing politics must be sidelined, or confined to the editorial, so be it. Profit before politics.

  48. OT, but I see the Conservatives have signed up to the cult of St Jocox of Batley & Spen. How very depressing!  The woman was at best naive and at worst a leftie internationalist obsessed with finding more ways of giving away our borrowed money.  

  49. @SadButMadLad, June 17, 2017 at 8:04 am

    She’s only in trouble if the SJWs win. The right need to fight back against the Marxist rabble. And it is marxists pushing the agenda, just look at all the SWP signs in the Grenfell demonstration.

    Fight back is what Major,……., Cameron & May’s not the conservative party refuse to do, they prefer appeasement & surrender.

    Spineless PC & Green obsessed socialists not true Conservatives.

    @bloke in spain, June 17, 2017 at 8:23 am

    This is where the MSM is manifestly failing to do what it says it’s for, There’s a story here. Have a trawl through photos & footage of other demonstrations they’ve got on file & it’s guaranteed they’ll get a match with faces amongst the Grenfell protesters. From there, the story writes itself. “Tragedy hijacked for political advantage!” And it shouldn’t be hard to tie those same faces in with Corbyn. Largely discredit him.
    Trouble is, the MSM is largely made up of people favourable to the Labour cause. No-one wants the story Truth.

    FTFY and agree

    @Bongo, June 17, 2017 at 8:50 am

    I’ve never known anything like it. There have been tragedies before like 7/7, Bradford fire, Kings X fire, Hillsborough, that Herald of Free Enterprise ferry company…

    +1

    Left make every death a political campaigning opportunity – sordid, disgusting and dangerous behaviour.

    @The Inimitable Steve, June 17, 2017 at 9:27 am

    As mentioned above, it was a SJW rentamob, not real people. Also, while the media thinks London is the centre of the universe, I don’t think the rest of the country cares quite as much about this local tragedy as the Beeb might think.

    Spot on. It happened, not nice, move on a report the world news; stop being a local news grief whore fest chat show.

    @The Inimitable Steve, June 17, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Sorry mate, no. That’s not how it works. Ask any number of black US Republicans.

    Sajid Javid would be a disaster for turning out the Conservative vote.

    He lost my support when he u-turned and supported remain.

    He then sunk even lower on BBC QT 3 Nov 16:
    “So whoever is installed in the White House, we have to work with them. I am not going to pick sides, but I look forward to working with her.”

    He should be on back-benches, not in Gov’t.

    @Thomas Fuller, June 17, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    >the supposed right-wing media — Telegraph, Sun, Daily Mail — have a lot of lefties working for them these days.

    Too bloody right. The coverage of the fire in the online Mail, especially yesterday evening and today, could have been handed to them on a plate by the SWP.

    The online Mail reporting could have been written by momentum. Their focus is on blaming the contractor and ignoring KCTMO, EU, Green etc.

    Today it was firm “guilty” of tax avoidance.

    @Tel, June 17, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    Green candles. That’s what these towers need to called. Spread it. Green candles.

    Excellent

  50. Q. Anyone think it is worth joining the conservative party, for the sake of getting a vote if May survives the next three months?

  51. magnusw: Q. Anyone think it is worth joining the conservative party, for the sake of getting a vote if May survives the next three months?

    A: Who will be standing who might justify the modest outlay and a preference over other candidates? I don’t think there will be a vacancy but on top of that none of the potential candidates is likely to have sufficient appeal across the party to stand a chance.

    Next, half the parliamentary party dislikes the other half and neither of them trusts or likes the membership.

  52. odd really -I don’t remember any such rioting in the blitz or even after the V1s when everyone was real tired of it all. No spare houses then either – well not many.
    Mark you we got billeted in some strange places.

  53. In trouble how?

    Did these people vote Conservative? I doubt it. They aren’t even British for the most part.

    Obviously lets the media smear her, but they’d do that shit anyway. And she deserves all the smearing she gets, for her offences against free speech.

  54. It takes some doing to be dethroned ( more or less) by a sixth form Communist .The Conservative Party with its judicious sponsorship of Blue Passports , Fox Hunting Grammars Empire 2 and ..of course prioritising ethnic cleansing over prosperity security and services have also caused irreconcilable offence to moderate opinion . That’s going to come back on them like a bad bad curry
    Corbyn is hugely overpraised . Around the country Labour MPs ran “despite Corbyn” campaigns and after years of stagnant wages cuts to services and nothing but more of the same to come the government ought be getting a kicking . He just happened to be standing there when Labour voters thought …oh bloody hell I`ll have to vote for the twat

    The circumstances whereby Bluekip can coalesce will pass but abandoning moderate opinion will not . When Brexit fails , as it will even if it succeeds given our debts , Brexit politicians will catch every scrap of the inchoate whining and wrinkly resentment they used to lie their way out of the decades of peaceful successful cooperation we enjoyed .

    It is a joy in my life that I am not a politician and I can treat the cretinous opinions of morons and their fat ugly cheesy wotsit coloured wives with the contempt such opinions merit .
    Let me be clear , Brexit is the stupidest thing any people has ever done to itself since the good folk of Pompeii thought …” Ooo look that oddly smoking mountain is the perfect spot for a City ”
    People who support this foot shooting event are village idiots with six fingers the result of generations of inbreeding ( with all due respect )

    The Conservative Party now own every gripe [problem and quibble for the next fifty years and there are going to be plenty . Good they deserve it .

  55. The anger expressed so far will be as nothing compared to the anger when the public find out the true death toll.

  56. “they’ll never let a Catholic become PM”: who’s ‘they’?

    Anyway, No. 10 isn’t worth a mass.

  57. “The anger expressed so far will be as nothing compared to the anger when the public find out the true death toll.”

    Don’t exaggerate. Nobody in my local pub here in East Anglia is even slightly angry about the disaster. Bad things happen, but another pint of Adnams makes the world look brighter.

  58. ” Nobody in my local pub here in East Anglia is even slightly angry about the disaster.”

    Exactly. People in Sunderland and elsewhere won’t give a monkey’s uncle as they’ve got their own problems to be getting on with. It was a monstrous accident, but London is not the center of the universe.

  59. another pint of Adnams makes the world look brighter.

    Indeed so, sadly, after a wonderful four weeks back in old Blighty, we have returned to the penal colony where good ale is difficult to find.

  60. I find it difficult to reconcile the following views:

    Jo Cox says that what unites us is far greater than what divides us. I think she’s right on this – health, access to education, freedom from crime, to be able to earn and keep most of your earnings – we all want these things and more.

    There is accommodation in Yorkshire and the North East which is £1k a month cheaper than in K&C and where unemployment is lower. However it is not reasonable for workless families of Somali, Afghan, Iraqi and Syrian background in London social housing to relocate 300 miles ( despite already coming 3000 miles ) because they don’t have a community in the new places.

    What I find hard to understand are the many lefties regard it as intellectually consistent to hold both views.

  61. “Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    The anger expressed so far will be as nothing compared to the anger when the public find out the true death toll”

    Really? Where do you think we are on the angerometer? Where do you think we will get to? Do you think the anger will be more or less when it turns out most of the dead were not born in the UK? What will you do to avenge the deceased? Write a pithy comment on the web?

  62. “Exactly. People in Sunderland and elsewhere won’t give a monkey’s uncle as they’ve got their own problems to be getting on with. It was a monstrous accident, but London is not the center of the universe.”

    I can never get that worked up about say, 60 people dying in an accident. Or even why when we have large numbers of people in a flood or fire, the government offers up help.

    Do we offer extra help when one house gets burnt down, kids lose a father? No. So, why do we when it’s 60? Do we spend 1/60th of the time we spent on this than we do on a nurse who is negligent and kills a patient?

    Maybe someone was negligent, but at this point, we don’t know that, or even who. And we won’t for weeks. Maybe I’ll be outraged then, but right now, this is like 30 house fires that make a small item in a local paper.

  63. “Bongo

    What I find hard to understand are the many lefties regard it as intellectually consistent to hold both views.”

    F*$! me. Both views?!

    My brother’s a leftie and he can hold a dozen seemingly incompatible views at the same time whilst quaffing on a nice red wine and eating some artisan bread sat in his big back garden not having to work after taking early retirement from teaching.

  64. ” …it is not reasonable for workless families of Somali, Afghan, Iraqi and Syrian background in London social housing to relocate 300 miles ( despite already coming 3000 miles ) because they don’t have a community in the new places.”

    Contrast and compare how HK Chinese immigrants dispersed throughout the country, opening restaurants and previously laundries. Even small towns have a chinese restaurant or takeaway. Meanwhile, the ragheads cluster together and expect handouts.

  65. Theo – Yarp. And… what have the Geordies, Yorkshiremen and so on done to deserve more “enrichment”?

    OK, Ant and Dec. But isn’t it bad enough we’ve handed London over to foreigners? Do we need to systematically replace the English in every city their fathers built?

    Some “Syrians” (I’ve no idea if they are, in fact, Syrians, and neither does the government) were moved into Newcastle about a year ago. Within a few weeks, the first arrests were made for gang raping an English girl.

    Imagine some mad scientist cloned a horde of Jimmy Saviles, and dumped them in London, where they immediately set to making the place all naff and 70’s and rapey, while demanding free gold chains and access to children’s hospitals.

    Is the solution to give every town and city its own Savile? Or… get rid of the bastards, and the lunatic who brought them here?

    How’s about that, then?

  66. Do I remember that Maggie Thatcher was criticised for always turning up to visit people after a disaster had happened? Yes, yes, I do.

    And why should May be expected to face a baying mob of SWP and Momentum supporters who have no link to the tragedy but long for the publicity and political advantage they seek.

    And why is the media going so easy on the new Corbyn MP, even though she was on the board of Kensington and Chelsea TMO which managed the block as well as being on the London Fire and EmergencyPlanning Authority? I would have thought that she has more questions to answer than May.

  67. BTW, if I’m not mistaken the council paid out about £70,000 per flat for the repairs. No-one has acknowledged that that is a great deal of money.

    In these parts you can buy a three bedroomed terraced house freehold for that kind of money.

  68. Surely, every single member of the management organisation that was around when the go-ahead was given to this project should be lined up against a wall and prosecuted to the fullest for corporate manslaughter. Presumably, after retrieving their remains from the justifiably angry mob.

    Remind me, who manages K&C’s properties?

  69. NewRemainiac: So you are a Corbyn fan are you Facepainter? Swapping your Union Jack for a Red flag/Hammer & Sickle eh?

    You were pissing your pants on election night I’ll bet . Well-off middle class treasonous scum like you would do a deal with Satan to wreck Brexit but the prospect of Grandpa Death coming close enough to get his dirty fingernails into your prosperous hide had you changing your underpants on the hour.

  70. “Within a few weeks, the first arrests were made for gang raping an English girl”

    Needs citation, that.

  71. Back again Jesus you sack of stale shite.

    Try these for size:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1528756/hundreds-of-syrians-in-uk-arrested-over-string-of-offences-including-rape-and-child-abuse/

    And as for the case:

    “Three Syrian refugees who fled to the UK to escape civil war have been cleared of sexually assaulting two schoolgirls in a park.”

    Fled to escape war? 1st lie. They already escaped war into Jordan. They were imported to build Camoron’s SJW cred with BluLabour scum.

    “Omar Badreddin, 18, Mohammed Alfrouh, 20, and Mohammad Allakkoud, 18, were alleged to have sexually assaulted the girls, both 14, in Leazes Park. ”

    “The defendants, in a large group of Syrians picnicking in the park,~”

    Oh it was a piciccy-nik. What japes, what harmless fun. A large group picnic as well.

    “had met the girls on May 9, and there was an agreement to see them the next day, the court heard.”

    These lads picked up English quick . How come they needed translators then –esp ones who get confused between “tried to kiss” and “tried to stick his dick in”. After all –in any language those sound alike surely.

    “One girl was said to have typed her number in Mr Badreddin’s phone before allegedly leading him off for a kiss. He insisted he did not know she was 14.”

    How many Englishmen has that excuse washed with in court?

    “During the two-week trial defence barristers applied for the case to be thrown out, it can now be reported.”

    As Mandy Rice-Davies said–well you know the rest.

    “They said that there were inconsistencies in the complainants’ evidence to police, to the court and in cross-examination.”

    Which were?

    Were these “inconsistencies” anything like the prosecutions complete failure to place Rolf Harris at the scene of his alleged assault against a 7 year old? Entirely because they failed to identify any scene of the crime at all. That is they couldn’t even place the scene of the crime at the scene of the crime but Rolf still went down. Because it suited Operation Yewtree that he be found guilty. Indeed it was ESSENTIAL to Operation Yewtree that he be found guilty as one more acquittal would have brought down the entire house of cards.

    “One of the girls was a ‘proven liar’, the defence teams claimed, who had fabricated serious allegations about her home life prior to the sex assault claims. ”

    I thought that prior claims about the victims life/sex life were not allowed any more. And even if the girl lied about other matters that does not discredit her testimony in this matter–does it?

    After all in Rolf’s case one of the supposed victims had already tried unsuccessfully to blackmail Rolf with unsubstantiated claims. That didn’t seem to affect her credibility as a witness.

    But of course that was against a white man whom the authorities wanted to have convicted. Not imports who the same authorities most certainly do not.

    “The case was also delayed by one and a half days while all the defendants’ interviews with police were checked and re-translated.”

    Why? What evidence was there that they were wrong?

    “One serious mistake arose when Mr Alfrouh described seeing Mr Badreddin and the girl kissing behind the pavilion.

    In his police interview he was translated as saying he saw Mr Badreddin’s penis and her vagina touching.”

    So the Police had translators who can’t distinguish between those two statements?

    “in front of the jury Mr Alfrouh insisted he did not say that, and when the tape was checked, an alternative translation was provided for the jury.”

    Since the Jury have no way of knowing other than being told by TPTB what was allegedly said how is this cockrot proof of innocence?

    “He was also translated as telling police he ‘tried to’ kiss the girl who was with Mr Badreddin, but this was changed to ‘wanted to’ kiss her and that he stopped himself.”

    Such a fine distinction. Syrian–or whatever the fucking language was–must have incredibly fine distinctions or none at all.

    “Later the judge said the cause of the delays was that the interviews needed to be re-interpreted due to errors – ‘some of them minor, some of them major’.”

    Nice of the Judgeboy to explain to the Jury why the defendant was innocent. Please remember that precedent next time any of you happen to fetch up in court.

    “As the forewoman returned the not guilty verdicts on the three, the young defendants burst into tears.”

    Such an upbeat description–but they left out the word “wholesome”. Silly of them.

    “After they left the dock, they wept and hugged each other and family members in the corridor outside.”

    Them and everybody else acquitted. Still– “wholesome” eh.

    “One of the men – Mr Badreddin – is originally from Damascus but fled to Jordan as the country was gripped by civil war.”

    So not in danger. Imported at our expense by Camoron.

    “He arrived in the UK last November under the government’s resettlement programme.

    At the height of the crisis, the Prime Minister announced plans to resettle 20,000 Syrian refugees in Britain at a cost of more than half a billion pounds.”

    So generous of Call Me Dave to pay that kind of cash out of his own pocket.

    “Married Mohammed Alfrouh, 20, was cleared of three counts of sexual assault.

    He was accused of kissing one girl in the park on consecutive nights, and of also molesting the girl Mr Badreddin was accused of kissing behind a pavilion.”

    So we are supporting him and any brood he has or will have. Is the same girl now officially characterised as a slut?

    And again in the case of Rolf say–I do criticize the females “testifying” because we know the main points of their testimony and have evidence and reason to dismiss said testimony. In the case of the Newcastle female we know nothing only she has been branded a liar based on somesuch statements from the cops and or defence. The statements made by Rolf’s accusers have been given wide coverage. This girls story silence. Maybe it is bullshit. But we have no way of knowing that.

    We do know that authorities and the British state would cut their own dicks off to kill and repudiate the suggestion that Camoron’s prize scheme has imported sex attackers.

    “Mohammed Allakkoud, 18, whose father died in Syria”

    My Father died in England. Can I have a get out of jail free card? Did his Father die in the war? Then why not say so?

    “and who was living in Newcastle with his extended family, was accused by the girl of holding her mouth and nose while the others attacked her. He was cleared of a single charge of sexual assault. ”

    So again He said/She said. But strangely that had no effect on Rolf getting banged up. Whereas these 3 walk free. We had plenty of info to judge the unsafe nature of Rolf’s convictions.

    All we have here is Judgeboys and coppers and re-translating translators assuring us all that the girl is a lying slag.

    “Outside court a spokesman for the defendants said: ‘They came from Syria to live in peace. They believe the judge is fair. This is a free country, it is not like Syria.'”

    No –there might have been some sort of justice in Syria.

    “Chief Inspector Steve Ammari added: ‘We respect the decision of the court and we thank the complainants in this case for their support and help throughout.’ ”

    So he is thanking the girl who has just been labelled as a liar.

    Jolly decent of him.

    Once again an info vacuum. There was plenty of data shot into the air about Rolf. More than enough to spot its dodgyness.

    Here the rest is silence.

    Jesus–hurry up and fucking ascend you miserable cunt.

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