So maybe we should have less decided by politics then?

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has claimed that the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire were “murdered by political decisions”, saying politicians’ decisions over recent decades were important factors in the deaths of 79 people in the tower block in north Kensington, London.

Y’kno, if political decisions kill people…..

20 comments on “So maybe we should have less decided by politics then?

  1. Last week it was clearly the fault of the penny-pinching Tory scum in control of K&C Council, who know the price of cladding but not the value of a human life. This week we’ve found the same problem rife in Labour councils too. No chance of an apology though, is there?

  2. Andrew M,
    And the whole thing goes back years too, beyond coalitions and Tory governments. But there won’t be any apology for that, either.

    And “Murdered” is a disgusting term to employ – it implies the deliberate will to kill. Although, given McDonnell’s political heroes, maybe the idea of government deliberately killing people isn’t such an alien concept to him.

  3. by “political decisions” he means an unwillingness on the part of the State to intervene in the workings of evil capitalism

  4. How long has this guy been an MP? How many times has he put forwards bills to remove the cladding, to force changes in the fire service (who no one is pointing a finger at for blame) or to the use of old high rise flats for housing people being scrapped?
    How much opportunity has he had as an MP to do stuff that you or I don’t get listened to regarding?

  5. Those Tory £3 for Jezza are like to prove costly indeed if they bring shite like McNasty anywhere near power over others.

    Were I PM he would literally be an Arkansas accident waiting to happen.

  6. He appears to be lamenting the incompetence of politicians murdering indirectly rather than his preferred direct method.

    We should all be grateful that he considers himself sufficiently competent to only murder those he doesn’t like.

  7. The only thing to be said in Mcdonnell’s favour is that apparently he finds Richard Murphy insufferable. Every cloud, as the saying goes….

  8. Were I PM he would literally be an Arkansas accident waiting to happen.

    Wasn’t it just the other thread you were saying that you never make violent threats?

  9. So IRA bombers: brave warriors to whom we should feel gratitude.

    Well-meaning but really quite useless politicians: murderers.

    People still still seem to want to put this unpleasant, dribbling half-wit in charge of the economy.

  10. An evil man contemplating his evil life and committing suicide thinking that he is requiting the evil he has done or fears he might do is not a “violent threat” Matthew L.

    Ask the Clintons. Have not many people in their orbit decided that life was no longer worth living on the terms it offered?

    And have not the dear duo themselves been shamefully and falsely accused of being complicit in those deaths. Accused moreover by the vilest and wickedest of right wing conspiracy-freaks.

    Are you now aligning yourself with such men of wickedness Matthew L.? Is this who you are now–a far-right conspiracy freak of the lowest sort?

    Were I ever to be Prime Minister it might well be that an evil man like McNasty might decide that his life was no longer worth the effort. I do not and cannot control that. It might be that accidents continue to happen in life regardless of the political. How is this my fault? If 114 mysterious deaths have no link to the Clintons and 150 million straight-forward and brazen murders do not stain socialism how then am I guilty of an unfortunate co-incidence that may never happen.

  11. McDonnell has no need to apologise, as he quite clearly intended to include the Labour party in his speech;

    “Is democracy working? It didn’t work if you were a family living on the 20th floor of Grenfell Tower. Those families, those individuals – 79 so far and there will be more – were murdered by political decisions that were taken over recent decades.

    And his use of the term ‘murder’ derives from Engels’ concept of ‘social murder’ – The Condition of the Working Class in England (1845)

    When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another, such injury that death results, we call that deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call this deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, one which is quite as much a death by violence as that by the sword or the bullet; when it deprives thousands of the necessaries of life, places them under conditions in which they cannot live – forces them … to remain in such conditions until that death ensues which is the inevitable consequence – knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual …

  12. Smell–You seriously publish that cockrot while an ocean of costly blood stains you and the rest of your pals? When the Industrial Revolution is the reason you are spraying electronic shite on a screen as opposed to a life of back-breaking subsistence agriculture –IF you had managed to be born at all.

    Likely then McNasty is talking about them middle-class leftists. Maybe they are on his death-list as well. Hardly be the first time left-scum have fallen out.

  13. Ecks – have you not noticed the internal power struggle in the Labour party over the past two years? It seems to be a surprise to you that McDonnell would criticise previous Labour administrations. And the conflict is not between working class and middle class leftists; it’s between Blairite centrism and democratic socialism. I suppose it’s hard to notice actual events living in spittle-flecked bubble…

  14. The only thing to be said in Mcdonnell’s favour is that apparently he finds Richard Murphy insufferable.

    It is rather delicious that Murphy lost his bottle and took the Guardian shilling to knife Corbyn and now finds himself further away from influence or power than ever. McDonnell is reputed to have a long memory for those who cross him.

  15. “I suppose it’s hard to notice actual events living in spittle-flecked bubble…”

    Better spittle than the blood of innocents Smell.

    Democratic fucking socialism? If that shite Corbyn ever does get in he won’t EVER be voted out again. The cunt who admires Venezuela and says that it is a successful regime? With McNasty as a sidekick?

    Odd that –for a creep who uses blood and death to make political capital–he hasn’t tried to make any out of the 80+ Venezuelans shot dead in the last 3 months for protesting socialist starvation and tyranny under Corbo’s hero Maduro. Socialist thugs with guns handed out by Maduro. Strange how leftscum’s love of gun control vanishes when their goons are getting the guns.

    But I suppose Grandpa Death’s attitude is “what’s 80 out of 150 million ?”

  16. If that shite Corbyn ever does get in he won’t EVER be voted out again

    For once I agree with you, the Tories could be out of power a *long* time.

  17. Two possibilities there Smeller.

    Either you agree that he and McNasty are twin turds of tyranny a la Chavez and Maduro.

    Or you are trying to cod on that Grandpa Death is the real the true ONE (fuck off Obama) the once and future socialist hero who will bring the left’s promised UTOPIAN PARADISE.

    Just out of interest which is it?

    I guess I should bet that your choice will be the latter . But even amongst the lowest and most vile specimens of human evil–socialists–there must be a tiny chunk of common-sense even amongst the repulsively mad and evil.

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