Well, no, just no

The RSPCA wants to be allowed to enter private property to seize pets in England and Wales.

The charity is in talks with the Government and police chiefs to negotiate new powers which will allow it to enter gardens, sheds and outhouses without an officer present.

Under current rules the RSPCA has to contact the local police force and wait for an officer to arrive if they believe an animal is in distress on private property.

But if granted special statutory powers, its 33 officers would be able to remove animals from private land without police permission – though the powers do not extend to entering a private home.

No.

As in, no, fuck off.

Having the powers of the State granted to non-state actors really doesn’t have a good track record now, does it?

27 comments on “Well, no, just no

  1. They are basically trying to formalise the powers they’re been lying to people that they have for years.

    If I set up a body that went around trying to gain access to people’s property under the pretence of having official powers that I didn’t I think I’d be doing time by now.

    +1000 to JuliaM

  2. Oh, and strangely enough they never turn up at traveller camps and try and gain access there to inspect any livestock that have been reported as being abused, wonder why that is? Middle aged old ladies make far better targets……

  3. Should we perhaps petition government to legislate that all RSPCA staff be required to wear black uniforms?

    Hugo Boss still have the designs.

  4. Find one on your property –put him in the hospital.

    In a decent well-armed society these animal killers wouldn’t even dare to cross an old lady.

  5. Jim

    “If I set up a body that went around trying to gain access to people’s property under the pretence of having official powers ”

    That’s how Crapita (TV licences) like to act. Most people now know simply to tell them that they’re trespassing (polite version).

    TMB – Excellent idea.

  6. Why have a second, completely unaccountable private police force? What they are saying is they want to be able to forcibly enter private property when their case is so pisspoor even the local plod won’t touch it.

  7. If I set up a charity to monitor illegal immigration, will it’s ‘Officers’ be allowed to enter premises and remove and detain illegal immigrants then? Excellent news!

  8. PF — Crapita are just the BBC’s bag men. “TV Licensing” is a trading name of the BBC. When a goon appears on your doorstep, should you not already have taken the precaution of removing the BBC’s implied right of access, he is an agent of the BBC.

    As you probably know, there is no distinct “TV Licensing Authority”; the licensing authority is the BBC itself.

    The BBC’s attempt to keep all this arm’s length is a typical specimen of their lies. They like to pretend that the strong-arm stuff emanates from the government, whereas they themselves are the extortioners.

    As for the RSPCA, I see no reason not to remove their implied right of access too.

    I’m always suspicious of someone in a uniform. Likely as not he/she will turn out to be some sort of government thug.

  9. I’m always suspicious of someone in a uniform. Likely as not he/she will turn out to be some sort of government thug.

    Or a hi-viz vest these days.

  10. From HMG website….

    “A power of entry is a statutory right for a person (usually a state official such as a police officer, local authority trading standards officer or a member of enforcement staff of a regulatory body) to legally enter defined premises…,

    …Currently, there are around 1,200 separate powers of entry under primary and secondary legislation.”

    I think that’s plenty enough.

  11. Thomas

    All agreed.

    “Implied right of access”. And of course no more “rights” than a Chugger, Big Issue or Bog Brush seller.

    “Withdrawing rights”. I am not sure I could be bothered to go to the effort?

    And no real need? Anyone who comes to the door, barring neighbours / postman etc (and if it’s answered), is always treated the same: as an unwelcome salesman – “thank you, but not today; do mind the steps on the way down”.

  12. Alas, this kind of extra rights for animal welfare police nonsense is popular.
    My local Waitrose has 3 charity boxes you can put your shopping token in on the way out – typically one for an animal charity, a hospice, and one for allotments for CP, that sort of thing. The animal one gets more nominations/tokens than the other two put together.
    If we can’t hire more police then we need to get this sort of caper devolved to local government then we can all avoid those cities where the stasi wish to rule us and migrate to areas with sensible councillors.

  13. The RSPCA have the nerve to whine in their begging TV adverts that they have more responsibilities than ever – after they lobbied the government long and hard to be granted those “responsibilities”.

    Incidentally, try phoning the RSPCA about an injured animal when there is apparently no one to prosecute (at least one who isn’t immune) or raid with a camera crew in tow.
    They will, with the subtext “**** off, don’t bother us with such trivia”, point you in the direction of a real charity such as some local lady who operates voluntarily on a shoestring and doesn’t have an HQ which looks like this:
    http://www.thinkhorsham.co.uk/images/head/rspca_hq_oakhurst_business_park_southwater2.jpg

  14. “Alas, this kind of extra rights for animal welfare police nonsense is popular.”

    But not unprecedented. In the U.S. – and presumably in the UK – game wardens have extraordinary powers of search. Essentially a blanket warrant to search for game animals.

    The wardens’ interest, if any, in the animals’ welfare is secondary.

  15. Yes, Tim, fuck no to this.

    The RSPCA in Australia has the equivalent of police powers so that in the course of investigating animal cruelty offences, they are empowered to enter property; seize animals; seize evidence of animal cruelty offences; initiate prosecutions under animal welfare legislation etc

    They asked for access to the metadata that our government makes the telcos and ISPs retain for 2 years. I am not sure if their request was granted. The metadata retention rules were introduced to counter terrorism but appear to be used for all kinds of other policing (against drug trafficking and organised crime but also far and wide). I might – just – be convinced to give up civil liberties to counter terrorists but I think it is a step too far druggies and mobsters, let alone countering animal cruelty.

    There has already been at least one serious breach of the metadata (illegal access of a journalist’s records by the Australian Federal Police).

    We are in the very best of hands.

  16. No accountability, RSPCA? Then no authority. Fuck off now, fuck off forever.

    Since the animal liberationists took over, the RSPCA’s membership has shrunk to c.20,000, iirc. And they have c.£240m in reserves.

  17. IIRC in Scotland the SSPCA already has this power.
    Both of the SPCA’s use Police type uniforms and rankings to purposely confuse people and that seems wrong to me although how they can be stopped is problematic.

  18. May we presume a charity set up to enter kebab shops in search of rape victims would be allowed statutory powers of entry? Surely there is quite a bit of that going on? Maybe we could have people in uniform with ranks and a big shiny headquarters building? And maybe radios and prosecution powers?

    Oh. They do have this but don’t use it… bet your last pound the RSPCA will though as they have made it their business to interfere.

  19. AA
    Something tells me that the RSPCA wouldn’t rush to prosecute goat-molesters…

  20. I agree with all the above, except that perhaps fuck off is too polite.

    Sadly I can see this coming to pass. A government strapped for cash but determined to piss money up against the wall can see a saving here, let a charity do the animal stuff then the police don’t have to.

    It doesn’t help that that the PM was Home Secretary and therefore indoctrinated into to an illiberal culture. That the RSPCA hasn’t been told to fuck off and feels that it can fly this kite tells us all we need to know about the current government when it come to liberal (UK version) attitudes.

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