Pity about that Curajus State, innit?

I am increasingly inclined to think he is right: whatever the political rights and wrongs of Brexit we just can’t do it. From simply getting the right HMRC IT in place, to having the skills to negotiate the deals, let alone having the parliamentary resource to deliver the legislation, we just can’t deliver Brexit. We have set out on a course much harder than getting to the moon was when JFK promised that. We’re not even going to get to the launchpad at the current rate of progress, so poorly is everything being managed. But the countdown will continue nonetheless. That is May’s legacy.

Government can’t manage to leave a treaty organisation we’ve only been in for a generation. So, that’s, on the grounds of competence if no more, the end of the Curajus State, isn’t it?

31 comments on “Pity about that Curajus State, innit?

  1. > From simply getting the right HMRC IT in place

    Oh no, the state might not be able to collect as much money as it does now.

  2. If they employed people based on merit rather than ability to complete paperwork they would be fine… As most politicians are “career politicians” they have no hope… should be a mandatory test that you have been successful in the private sector before you can move into the public one…

  3. We have set out on a course much harder than getting to the moon was when JFK promised that

    What? I mean, WHAT?

    The fifth (?) largest economy in the world, with centuries of democracy and stable government behind it, is unable to to really quite simple things which governments elsewhere do all the time.

    I’m not sure which is worse: whether the people saying these things are deliberately lying to derail Brexit, or they really do have a cringing inferiority complex about Britain.

  4. One of the arguments that the Remain side put out during the referendum debate was that “even within the EU, the UK is and always has been sovereign – if it had so chosen it could have left, so to any extent EU law overrides domestic law it is only because the sovereign UK continues to voluntarily accept it. There is no need to leave the EU to ‘regain’ sovereignty, since the UK has always had it in the first place. The question is simply whether the UK chooses to exercise its sovereignty in a way that engenders international cooperation and economic benefits for its citizens – or instead inflicts a grievous act of self-harm that will shut it away from the world. Anti-immigrant xenophobia is no basis to run a country, nor is the pursuit of an illusory phantom of ‘sovereignty’ that exists only in 19th-century political treatises and takes no account of the power of multinational corporations or the decline of Britain’s influence in global affairs.”

    This seems to have changed tune to “Foolish Brexiteers! One does not simply vote for Brexit. Even if a majority of people had been misled into voting against their best interests in this way, it does not change the fact that Brexit is an impossible task – the complexity of our relationship with the EU, and the fact that whole fields of expertise have been transferred from Westminster to Brussels, means there is no way to disentangle ourselves. Even if we could manage the necessary negotiations, we simply wouldn’t even know anymore how to run the country or pursue trade deals if we tried to go it alone.”

    I find it especially irritating when the latter argument comes from a mid-campaign proponent of the former.

  5. Ritchie’s stuck in the Denial phase, I see.

    I reckon there’ll be deluded EU fanatics – holed up in odd nooks of academia and the public sector – still fighting the referendum for years to come.

    Like geriatric Jap soldiers, still hiding in the jungle long after WW2, awaiting orders from their emperor.

  6. MBE – strikingly similar to the Paris Accords, which we, retardedly, are still signed up to.

    Before Trump pulled America out, it was a “voluntary” agreement. According to the G-whatever summit last week, it’s now “irreversible”. For why? It just is.

  7. We should dump the greenfreak crap as well as the Yanks.

    Give Murph something else to arse-trumpet about.

  8. On a similar note, heard a French journalist (?) interviewed on the radio a few months ago, crowing about Macron’s victory meaning the return of sensible governance, after Britain had “shot itself in the foot” by voting for the madness that was Brexit.

    To explain the titanic genius of Macron to a British audience he clearly believed were insane, and the British interviewer who was insulting his intelligence by asking questions somewhat sceptical about how well the single currency was working out and what impact the migration crisis in the Med was having, he came up with a list of things that Macron understands that the dumb Brits didn’t.

    It started with “France has preserved its independence by being a member of the euro, and Macron understands this!” Because having its own currency would have been a sure sign that France was not an independent state. And he just worked his way through a checklist of measures of European integration, all of which proved France’s independence, in a manner that only someone as sophisticated as he or Macron (and sadly not the Bridiots) could grasp.

    Explained how Macron was going to push for even deeper integration, the Biggest Idea being a common Eurozone treasury and more spending to be directed at a European level. To be fair, a pretty sensible partial solution to the Euro’s saga of structural problems, though sadly he didn’t make the point “and Macron understands this will make France even more independent than ever before!”

    Did leave some questions for me though. Is the reason one doesn’t hear so much of Northumbria these days, because it has – by foisting off its choices of currency, laws, immigration policy, trade agreements, taxation, spending and defence to bodies with a wider geographical remit – attained a status of super-extra-independence? Mere sovereign states may appear on atlases, with their pretty coloured borders serving as stark reminders of their geographical limitations. But by contrast Northumbria transcends all such petty bounds by virtue of her mega-ultra-sovereignty, and no longer appears on maps anymore, except for historical ones.

  9. TIS “I reckon there’ll be deluded EU fanatics – holed up in odd nooks of academia and the public sector – still fighting the referendum for years to come.”

    There is a whole generation, maybe two, for whom every disappointment and failure in their life is the fault of Thatcher. The excuse has worn very thin, Voila! Brexit

  10. Ecks – Damn right. Ecowibble is bad in general.

    Paris is absolutely mental.

    It’s possibly the biggest financial scam in history, and everyone involved (except, possibly, the dim bulbs and true believers like May and Merkel) knows it.

    We’ve volunteered to make huge, swinging cuts to our living standards, and in return the Russians, Chinese, Indians, Indonesians, et al. solemnly promise to…. take our money and continue burning fossil fuels.

    The only people this benefits in the victim countries are parasitic bankers, who are dribbling at the prospect of raping our wallets for generations to come as we’re forced into eternal debt servitude just to keep the lights on.

  11. djc – Bloody hell, I do believe you’re right.

    Mrs T had a great run though. Not many politicians who’ve been out of office for a generation and off to their eternal reward half a decade ago can still make Owen Jones wet the bed.

  12. When football teams from Blyth and Morpeth play south of the Tyne, the home crowd chants at them “You’re just a small town in Scotland”.
    And thus the independence of Northumbria is complete.

  13. On the topic of HMRC IT, I nearly applied for a job with them once upon a time. At the time I needed a new job, so was applying for anything that looked relevant to me, but the process involved answering all sorts of essay-type questions and filling in pages and pages of details. The pay was average for the job in the region, so I didn’t bother, choosing to spend my time more efficiently.

    I wonder how many other people hit the same wall?

  14. ” The pay was average for the job in the region, so I didn’t bother, choosing to spend my time more efficiently. I wonder how many other people hit the same wall?”

    All the productive candidates I expect.

  15. BiH, working in the public sector is merely sheltered employment for the mentally numb.

  16. I dissent. On this point Richie is not entirely wrong, although I still think we’ll leave the EU. The irony of course is that the reason the government is so incompetent, is because of EU membership, which has infantilised us. They just don’t have any experience of complex negotiations of any kind.

  17. Deals? What deals? We don’t need any steenking deals. Repeal the Europe Act, Drop all import tarrifs to 0%. Apply standard “leave to remain” to all EU people here exactly the same as all other foreigners. End of. We don’t need deals to do that. What the EU choses to do to punish its own people for the crime of buying UK goods is its business.

  18. He’ll be even more vociferous when the eu stops paying him or funding his job at the technical college.

  19. If it is true that we cannot leave the EU in the practical sense, then it’s off to the Tower with Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron (and many, many others).

    If we are in blood stepped in so far that should we wade no more, returning were as tedious as go o’er, then this country has been so appallingly mismanaged over the past 25 years that actual criminal prosecution would be morally justified, even if in practice it could easily be shot down.

    This is the thing about Project Fear – at a certain stage it stopped being an argument about what we should do, and became a question of what we can do. Europhiles get around this problem by pretending that EU membership is politically neutral and static, and seem to have got away with the deceit.

  20. TIS
    I believe Owen Jones wets his bed every night. It’s nothing to do with Mrs Thatcher (pbuh).

  21. The Paul Simon Brexit Plan:

    ‘You just slip out the back, Jack
    Make a new plan, Stan
    You don’t need to be coy, Roy
    Just get yourself free
    Hop on the bus, Gus
    You don’t need to discuss much
    Just drop off the key, Lee
    And get yourself free’

  22. > The pay was average for the job in the region, so I didn’t bother

    Basic pay, maybe; but factor in pensions, job security, relaxed attitude to sick leave, 25 days paid holiday (on top of 8 bank holidays), generous maternity benefits for women, the option to go part-time after childbirth, etc. You’ll easily find people who will wade through the application forms for that.

  23. “We have set out on a course much harder than getting to the moon was when JFK promised that.”
    As the man said at the time, “We do this and the other thing not because they are easy, but because they are hard.”

  24. Curajus state my arse – his negotiation involves running up the white flag whilst shouting “i surrender” . Man’s a coward – deserves to be shot.

  25. @jgh + a huge number. The fact that this hasn’t occurred to the cunts, shows the shit the Western world is in.

  26. BiH

    The best story I have is of a client who applied to work for HMRC as a freelance in the ’90s.

    This was at a time when HMIRC was being gung ho on IR35, trying to wreck personal service companies.

    She thought she was going to be an employee, but HMIRC insisted she had to be freelance and set up a limited company. They didn’t want to be burdened with pension liabilities and wanted to be able to “dispense with services at a moment’s notice”.

    The Curajous State indeed.

  27. “The fifth (?) largest economy in the world, with centuries of democracy and stable government behind it, is unable to to really quite simple things which governments elsewhere do all the time.”

    About sums up Her Britannic Maj’s disloyal governments for the past 20 years. Or more. Why the country’s ended up where it is.

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