There’s a serious problem with describing this as racist

They will also struggle with the idea that, generally speaking, this problem only goes one way. A black person deciding not to date a white person in the UK is far less common. According to the survey, 35% of white people said they would never date a black person, whereas 10% of black people wouldn’t date a white person. Racism is based on power structures, and this is really looking at white privilege when it comes to dating: there’s not space for a lot else once it’s established how much more desirable white people are viewed in UK society. Being the standard of beauty to the degree where you have a worldwide skin lightening industry that accounts for billions of pounds should not be discounted.

Is it discriminating on the basis of race? Yep, sure is. Is it racist? At which point we’ve something of a problem. For if we’re to go around denouncing normal human behaviour as racism then we’re not talking about power structures or anything of the kind. We’re now talking about normal human behaviour.

And the things is that humans do, just normally, find that people genetically close to them but not too close are attractive. Indeed, we’ve got a mechanism which makes us find those too, too, close to us not attractive in a sexual manner. Children raised together from an early age, in the manner of siblings, tend strongly not to date each other when older.

No, not for any “reason” other than that we’re descended from people who tended not to shag siblings as that’s a strategy that fails after a few generations.

People tend to find people roughly like themselves attractive. With that little tactic to make sure of the roughly, not the near exactly.

OK, when we spread this out to a vibrant society we can, if we wish, describe this as racism. But when we do so we come up against that New Soviet Man problem. Getting rid of it would be insisting that humans must change their ways to fit our desired societal structure, rather than our societal structure reflecting how humans are human.

It’s also worth pointing out that even after all of that qualification it’s not in fact all that much of a problem. The intermarriage (perhaps, today, better expressed as something to do with fertility rather than actual marriage) rate in the UK is such that in places which are truly vibrant (when we talk about race that is, enclaves of cultural or religious solidarity are different) what used to be called miscegenation is more the norm than the exception. I wouldn’t sear to this statistic but I dimly recall that the outmarriage rate (or fertility again) among Afro-Caribbeans in London is 35% or something. That’s a “problem” which is being solved the way the English always have solved such problems, by shagging through the generations.

This must actually be so – otherwise, where did all those mixed race people on the dating scene come from?

43 comments on “There’s a serious problem with describing this as racist

  1. Good! The more they overplay their hand describing everything they don’t like as ‘racist’, the more the average person in the street loses their fear of the word..

  2. Did they ask Asians about whether they’d date black people? Alas, doesn’t say.

    And I love the bit about “the first gay Muslim marriage” and it’s use as a weapon against Britons; as if this now means Islam is marching ahead in DIVERSITY and Britain remains the racist old Major in the pub Lounge.

  3. Don’t forget that refusing to date men makes you homophobic. Yes, I did just assume your gender.

  4. “I just know I’m really clever and much nicer than anyone else” there, translated for you.

  5. ‘Charlie Brinkhurst-Cuff’

    LOLS.

    ‘Charlie Brinkhurst-Cuff is a freelance journalist and opinions editor at gal-dem.com, a new magazine written by women of colour. She tweets at @charliebcuff’

    Hmmm. So, if she were so inclined, my wife would be discriminated against and not allowed to write for ‘gal-dem.com’ (unless you call mild beige a colour)?

  6. Was any research done into why young men from some ethnic groups seem drawn to fat white munters?

  7. I watched the programme and it was an interesting exercise. I tend to agree with Tim, in that there’s an hereditary bias to your mirror image. Interracial marriage was virtually non-existent when I was of an age (although I did marry a Scot). However there was a different demographic when the younger of my two sisters reached the same point a decade later, and a number of her friends married black lads (stereotype I know, but they were all boxers). Having subsequently lived in London for 25 years I can attest to the number of black men that partnered white girls, not least because they were approachable and more fun (and there were a lot more of them). Black girls were portrayed as serious minded nags, not into casual relationships. Interracial marriage producing mixed race offspring a la Jessica Ennis became so commonplace that at one stage I thought we’d cracked the problem. Unfortunately the rise of identity politics and modern dating techniques (dating apps) allowing people to screen out their non-ideal are leading us to revert to our original imperatives. One thing the programme did indicate was if you name is Mohammed you may as well throw in the towel before you start.

  8. >unless you call mild beige a colour

    Let us hope that Mrs Interested does not read this blog.

  9. you have a worldwide skin lightening industry that accounts for billions of pounds

    Black people should be banned from buying stuff black people want because racism?

    Err, okay.

  10. Also, white people exclude a small percentage but not dating other races. Blacks, not so much.

  11. @Thomas Fuller

    She glances at it now and then… Mild beige was supposed to reflect that she tans well and looks vaguely Spanish in the summer – best I could do!

  12. Who people date is their business not that of leftist scum and arrogant CM meddlers. People make their own choices not marxist scum. If redtrash want to worry about race–worry about the racial proportions of the 150 million you have murdered so far. Worry about that you CM shite.

    As far as I am concerned black women are attractive only to the degree that they have finely modelled White-type facial feature and hair. African features–ie broad-flat noses and short Brillo-pad hair are not attractive features. And piss on anyone who squarks racism.

  13. What JuliaM says. Let’s go along with it, agree and amplify. Yes, this is racist. Very racist indeed. Under this definition it turns out most people are racist. Thus the term loses its power.

  14. Perhaps I should have been a little clearer in my gallantry.

    Race is no object but being fucking presentable is.

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  17. I watched part of the programme and it seemed to be basically: ” Why won’t white men go out with me?” i.e the usual envy of white people by non-white presenter.

    Anyway, who wants children that don’t look like them?

  18. Skin colour is irrelevant to me. Religion isn’t, favourite soccer team isn’t, absence of BO / bad breath isn’t.

  19. I think the aversion to dating blacks is more to do with the cultural & class assumptions that come with doing so. There are probably a lot of white women who wouldn’t mind dating a black guy with an Ivy League degree, but don’t want a ghetto thug. If ghetto thugs outnumber Ivy League alumni by 100 to 1, most girls will simply not bother dating black guys (or even attempting to meet them).

    When I’ve seen an interracial marriage between people of similar class and educational backgrounds, the skin colours are usually irrelevant. If a woman is looking for her bit of rough in order to deal with her daddy issues, it matters a lot.

  20. I’ve always had the hots for redheads. MrsBud is the genuine article. No doubt, the real reason I like redheads is that sub-consciously I’m an ultra-racist who is seeking white women with the palest skin.

    Where I would actually draw the line is politics, I could not date an SJW.

  21. Where I live in London there are quite a lot of black/white relationships. Probably half of all the ‘black’ kids in my daughters school are actually half white. Almost always seems to be black man/white woman and not the other way round though. Tough on the sisters.

    Hindus and East Asians are probably the best at integrating. Probably won’t be distinguishable from the rest of us in a couple of generations, a la native Americans like Elizabeth Warren.

    “if you name is Mohammed you may as well throw in the towel before you start.”

    I see what you did there

  22. I once saw someone on TV saying that as, in the UK, x% of black people were in interracial marriages and only <x% of whites were in interracial marriages, whites must be racist. They were too thick to realise that given there are more whites than blacks in the UK this was mathematically inevitable.

  23. Curiously, it goes backwards too.
    When the Dutch took over, most Javanese were peasant rice farmers, nominally muslim.
    A few were traders and ate shellfish.
    So, purely for administrative convenience, the Dutch dubbed these people as “overseas Chinese” when they were probably as Java as the Javanese.

    The ethnic label stuck, the division increased. They had a civil war where it was a significant issue.

  24. Tim Newman,

    “I think the aversion to dating blacks is more to do with the cultural & class assumptions that come with doing so. There are probably a lot of white women who wouldn’t mind dating a black guy with an Ivy League degree, but don’t want a ghetto thug. If ghetto thugs outnumber Ivy League alumni by 100 to 1, most girls will simply not bother dating black guys (or even attempting to meet them).”

    I’d love to see the split on that 35% statistic. My guess: it leans heavily male, if we’re talking about black women and not the broader “black” meaning mixed race, Asian etc. You never get the hero going home with a black woman in an action movie. Halle Berry, Thandie Newton or Rashida Jones? A bit of cafe au lait? Sure.

  25. “There are probably a lot of white women who wouldn’t mind dating a black guy with an Ivy League degree, but don’t want a ghetto thug.”

    Yup. My teenage daughter and her friends used to say ‘If you date a black, there’s no going back’. Then the urbane son of a senior Nigerian diplomat joined the sixth form, and suddenly their hearts were all a-flutter.

  26. @ Theo
    Quite – if the guy has quality, the colour of the skin becomes less important. I had a black friend at Oxford with a red-haired wife – because he was one of the guys I knew about whom I thought “I couldn’t be that good if I tried, so try to stop worrying about it”.

  27. I can’t control who I am attracted to, it’s innate. I’m male and am attracted to chinese and japanese females. I thought it was one of today’s through crimes to assert that who you were sexually attracted to was a choice. I presume in light of this program Lefties will be campaigning to train people not to “chose” to be attracted to people of the same sex, ‘cos attraction is a choice, innit!

  28. “‘Charlie Brinkhurst-Cuff is a freelance journalist and opinions editor at gal-dem.com, a new magazine written by women of colour. She tweets at @charliebcuff’”

    She’e writing in the Grun, which is a British paper, and she’s using British spelling, so the correct grammer is “coloured people”.

    Either that, or she should be completely consistant. Charlie Brinkhurst-Cuff is a journalist of freelancing and editor of opinions at gal-dem.com, a magazine of newness written by women of colour. She tweets at @charliebcuff’” She writes in the Grun, a paper of British, and uses grammer of American.

  29. I also trend to think that she didn’t get that name without a little bit of transracial ‘ows yer father going on.

  30. @TimW,

    Surely she can self-identify as whatever she likes? Whether it’s consistent with the real world (patriarcho-fascist) or not doesn’t matter any more.

  31. yeah there’s any number of angles you can play on this (or any statistic) but it’s interesting factually think it suits more of the desmond morris approach than concerned journalism. Concerned journalism usually just makes you more concerned about your dislike the journalist than what they’re supposed to be presenting.

  32. I married an Asian lass more than a decade younger than me. Our children could pass for caucasian. I get complements on my beautiful grandchildren, and she gets asked if she is the nanny. Gramps getting it on the hot young nanny!

  33. I did Latin at school, dearieme. Which is why I never see the point in using phrases only people like me can understand.

    But maybe I’ve some comprehensible input on the topic. Dated a black girl for a while. Actually, lived together would be more accurate. Her three sisters congratulated themselves on marrying white guys. Because they went to work everyday & contributed to raising a family. Her brother,the one who wasn’t a fairy, did SFA but serially impregnate white girls.
    Why a black girl? Maybe tall & skinny but with an impressive rack had something to do with it. Along with being attractive enough to be a mildly successful actress/photographic model & a bundle of fun.
    The only racism we experienced was black males on me. Viscously, on occasions. Our white friends & the white people we encountered were either colour-blind or overwhelmingly accepting

  34. Having read over my own post, I realise there’s something omitted. We had hardly any black friends. Her choice, really. London born, if not bred, to her it was just a skin colour. She just didn’t like hanging round people to whom a skin colour defined them.

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