Homelessness is actually about the nutters

Mental health services – which have been faced significant cuts in recent years – are also essential to support many rough sleepers. In particular, there’s frequently a gap in provision for people with dual diagnosis of addiction and another mental health problem.

Quite Abi, quite.

We’ve got a large system which deals with people at risk of not having a roof over their heads. Rough sleepers are those that system doesn’t deal with. And as some actually note, the majority are suffering from one or other or both of those problems. It being rather more difficult to keep such in accommodation than to find it for them.

To a useful approximation rough sleeping isn’t in fact about housing at all…..

31 comments on “Homelessness is actually about the nutters

  1. The Forces of Progress were dead against the very idea of lunatic asylums. So many of the mad are no longer offered asylum from a cruel world.

  2. [a] dual diagnosis of addiction and another mental health problem

    I hadn’t known that addiction was considered a mental health problem. If mental health is so loosely defined then no wonder mental health provision is inadequate.

    Why not add to the pool Guardian readers and contributors as well and a certain professor who has been repeatedly diagnosed on this very blog as having profound issues north of his very substantial neck?

  3. TMB
    “I hadn’t known that addiction was considered a mental health problem”
    It’s usually the case that a drug habit comes from attempts to self medicate.

  4. Addiction no longer categorised as a specific diagnosis by APA DSM –

    https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/media-guide/science-drug-abuse-addiction-basics

    NIDA continues to use the term “addiction” to describe compulsive drug seeking despite negative consequences. However, “addiction” is not considered a specific diagnosis in the fifth edition of The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5)—a diagnostic manual used by clinicians that contains descriptions and symptoms of all mental disorders classified by the American Psychiatric Association (APA).

  5. To a second approximation, you also have institutionalised people (ex-forces, ex-prisoners) who can’t cope with their shared housing.

    I would note that certainly the ex-forces tend also to have alcohol issues. I have no experience or knowledge of the ex-prisoner population.

  6. > If mental health is so loosely defined then no wonder mental health provision is inadequate.

    Optics matter. You can drum up support for mental health funding by parading pretty middle-class anorexic girls. That doesn’t work with homeless nutters, who tend to be working class, male, and ugly.

  7. By no means all homeless are nutters. A significant minority are single men who have lost their jobs and have no means to pay the rent while waiting for DWP to decide whether it will pay them JSA and eventually pay it. No-one seems to care about single men on the dole.

  8. “In one of the wealthiest countries in the world….”

    Socialists like little Abi love this phrase. They never ask themselves how the wealth is created. It’s just there to be redistributed.

  9. Theo

    This was one of the great insights given to me by Peter Bauer. For him anyone using such an argument automatically had to be corrected on their basic assumptions before they could proceed any further. How we miss people of such calibre today.

    I have to say even by the standards of the Guardian Abi seems exceptionally purblind and dim on the evidence of her published output. A testament to the quality of recent graduates.

  10. “By no means all homeless are nutters. A significant minority are single men who have lost their jobs and have no means to pay the rent while waiting for DWP to decide whether it will pay them JSA and eventually pay it.”

    Indeed, but such cases are usually pretty responsive to being found somewhere, and got back on their feet. There will always be a flow of people who as you say fall through the cracks of the welfare system, but there are other systems in place that can (and do) help such people find accommodation and get back into mainstream society.

    The problem is more the ones who are impervious to such help due to drink/drugs/mental health problems. They will form the hard core of the habitual rough sleepers, and they will not be helped by offers of money/new accommodation – within weeks they’ll be back on the street due to their issues.

  11. Care in the community replaced care in institutions, but who exactly in the community would give that care and how?

    These questions were ignored by the ‘Progressives’ because for them process is what matters, not outcome.

  12. @ Jim
    I’m not denying that those unable or unwilling to fit in are the majority of rough sleepers, just that we can cheerfully ignore the innocent victims of the callous incompetence of DWP. It is said that over 40% of those attending “Food Banks” do so due to failures or refusals by the DWP to pay them benefits. I am aware of a case where it took DWP over a year to start paying ESA to someone who was undoubtedly entitled to it.
    I do *not* believe that there are systems in place to help unemployed single men – there are quite a few charities who help *everyone* and one, *just one*, that I have heard of that tries to take men off the streets compared to dozens that specifically help women but not men.

  13. @ John B
    Each of us (as distinct from “all of us” because that means everybody’s job and nobody’s job).
    I just don’t have the relevant skills (last time I pushed a wheelchair I was told off for going too fast).
    Give me a job I can do – I’ll try; but asking me to manage people with mental disorders is likely to make things worse.

  14. “In one of the wealthiest countries in the world….”

    So wealthy, in fact, that it can comfortably afford to support thousands, tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of people like Abi.

    One of the ironies of the super-wealthy modern industrial state is that it generates the vast reserves of wealth necessary to support a large enough class dedicated to destroy it.

  15. “In one of the wealthiest countries in the world….”

    ….we have a miniscule poverty and homeless problem compared to poor countries. And even compared to some other not exactly poor countries such as India.

    Which is of course as you would expect it.

    Plucking figures out of the air I predict there will be a 53% increase in the number of pointless, meaningless, shroud waving articles about poverty written by crap lefty journalists in the next 10 years. Unless something is done about it.

  16. “So wealthy, in fact, that it can comfortably afford to support thousands, tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of people like Abi.”

    I’d query “comfortably”. Abi’s in-work benefits and Housing Benefit have to be paid for with borrowed money, which her generaton will have to repay somehow.

  17. It is sad to see the mental cases sleeping in doorways, when perfectly good council funded covered bus stations and bicycle sheds are nearby. And the same council filth put up signs saying no sleeping in cars.
    They are just making the problems worse for these people.

  18. “You could be staying with friends or family or the place you are living in might not be suitable for you.”

    “you want an elderly parent or grandparent to live with you but your home is not suitable for their needs.”

    Etc, etc, etc.

  19. Actually, under the latest definition I could technically currently be homeless. Which is insane.

    But neither my mother in law, not my daughter’s could live with us at the moment.

    Luckily nobody has been daft enough to suggest it. But I suppose we’re the backstop.

  20. ““SJW definition “homeless”.”

    Which is what?”

    From reading the Shelter website it appears to be not being able to afford to,live in the house you’d like to live in. It certainly isn’t confined to living on the streets.

  21. It looks like homelessness here (in Australia) is going to be the latest ’cause de jour’ as ‘marriage equality’ seems home and hosed.
    Still ‘Equality’ and ‘domestic violence’ are big contenders.
    General reality is the big loser

  22. Homeless with an addiction problem are hard to find accommodation for. Most places are ‘dry’ ones to avoid problems and liability, meaning they do not allow alcohol and drugs on the premises and can refuse someone drunk / high to come in.

    Can take weeks or months to get accommodation, a family member of mine with kids was in a women’s shelter for 5 months before she was able to get a house. She was made homeless by threats and attacks from her ex boyfriend who knew where she lived. Brick through lounge window while you are in the lounge tends to focus the mind.

    A woman with 2 kids living with her and 5 months to get a property. Have worked with homeless for years and seen the process take months longer for a single man. Low priority.

    Addiction and mental health problems together need to be dealt with together. Rather more specialised than your basic mental health worker, though have seen on occasion two organisations working together to provide staff to work with someone.

    There are not enough organisations dealing with addiction, never mind mental health.
    GP surgery generally don’t want to know though some will refer to the local addiction services. Who may not have capacity to take on a client when he / she wants to get off the addiction.

  23. Bongo – the police move the homeless on from sleeping in bus stations. Have never seen a bicycle shed outside of a school so no idea if they also move them on from there.

    HSBC used to be a nice place to sleep. Before they changed their security and doors.

  24. “By no means all homeless are nutters. A significant minority are single men who have lost their jobs and have no means to pay the rent while waiting for DWP to decide whether it will pay them JSA and eventually pay it.”

    They have neither family nor friends to sofa surf with because they are nutters. Or nasty bastards.

    That’s why they have no work and why they took so long to correctly fill out their government forms. Telling the government clerks to “fuck off, bitch” didn’t put their paperwork at the front of the queue either.

    But here’s a surprise – I am not saying they deserve their fate, I am saying we need to accept that most of the poor, if not all of them, “deserve” their fate.

    We need to accept that we must help nasty, lazy, thieving, lazy, stupid and insane people. SJWs need to accept that one does not help such people without a thick skin and the violently paternal attitude of an Oberstabsfeldwebel of the Wehrmacht.

  25. A lot of hospital car parks include smoking and bike shelters – but some jobs worth will wake you with a shake if you try sleeping in one. It can’t be good for your mental health to have your kip interrupted.
    Jeremy Clarkson went up imv when he wrote that homeless could sleep in the woods on his land as long as they tidied up afterwards.
    I wonder how the Swiss deal with it – they’ve usually got some sensible ideas on life.

  26. @ Fred Z
    Those who have come down to London to get a job because there is 20% unemployment back home cannot find a friend or relation to lend them a sofa because they are 200 miles away.

    I suppose that you can walk 200 miles each night to doss down on a friend’s sofa!

    If the DWP gives you the wtrong form and then, when you go back with the rejection letter and point out that you should have been given the correct one, loses your correctly filled in form you don’t get paid. If next time you send it by recorded delivery and they lose it again, and the next time …

    Please stick to topics where you know what you are talking about.

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