From Soapy Joe

On Twatter, so I can ‘t reproduce it exactly, I’m blocked. But:

Let’s be clear. Staying in the Single Market and Customs Union are key steps in avoiding an economic breakdown that could deliver fascism.

Almost makes you wonder how we managed in 1940 without being part of the European superstate of the day, doesn’t it?

42 comments on “From Soapy Joe

  1. The best comment I saw on him recently was somebody saying he’s called fucking Jolyon, the son of an Etonian called Benedictus. He’s like something from a PG Wodehouse story, only less funny.

  2. Has he paid back the Crowdsource money yet?

    Time for treason and sedition charges with “assaulting officers while trying to elude/escape custody” tacked on.

  3. Directly copied from his feed (I am not active on Twitter so am not blocked by anyone, as far as I am aware.)

    Let’s be clear. Staying in the Single Market and Customs Union are key steps in avoiding an economic breakdown that could deliver fascism.

    I think you accurately reproduced it in the OP.

  4. Has he succeeded in finding a homeless, assetless bum to front his action against Uber yet, as he’s not willing to risk his own listed windmill home with opera recital room to do so himself.

  5. But in 1940 we WERE in a single market – just not the European one.
    The British Empire being a huge market with a single currency. And ruthlessly managed to our benefit, of course.

  6. For who? Staying in the single market & customs union slows the continuing path down the road to fascism it’s already a long way down? WTF should Brits care? This time, when they go to war with each other, let ’em get on with it. Sell arms to both sides.

  7. They don’t even know what fascism means. They are in a fascist union. Talk of ‘could deliver fascism’ is ignorant. Of both what fascism is AND the actual current condition.

    Funny, you now call someone fascist, and it’s okay to attack them. Like Jews or kulaks.

    Fascism: strong, autocratic central control of a private economy.

    Nazism: fascist government with forcible suppression of opposition.

    Antifa is Nazis. But by calling themselves “anti-fascists,” they get away with it, because the legacy press is woefully ignorant,

  8. “Antifa is Nazis. But by calling themselves “anti-fascists,” they get away with it, because the legacy press is woefully ignorant”

    Not just the press, that cretin B Johnson said that the antifa in Charlottesville were not the same as the “real nazis” on the other side, and that Trump was wrong to equate both. I nearly fell off my chair when I heard that.

  9. What delivered us from fascism was industrialisation, and especially, the tractor.

    Much cheaper for Germany to buy food from neighbours than to expend blood and treasure on stealing their neighbours’ land. That’s all warfare is: stealing agricultural land or oil fields. When your economy is about microchips and Cameron Mackintosh musicals, what is your enemy going to steal?

    I just can’t take these people at all seriously. The society of 2017 is so wildly, wildly different from 1933 in terms of technology and economics that to make comparisons is ignorant. Germany in those days had people literally starving. The Jarrow Marchers of 1936 weren’t relatively poor. They weren’t some fucking Joseph Rowntree Foundation definition of poverty that includes not having a summer holiday. That was the norm across most of Europe. We aren’t even close to that today.

    It also emphases the problem many people have, that they think government improves history, and it doesn’t. At best, it leaves people the fuck alone and lets them develop new technologies that make us all less poor. It’s like people talking up the EU scrapping roaming charges. If the EU could do that, why didn’t it do it a lot earlier? Answer: because the EU just made it happen around the same time the market was doing it anyway.

    It’s why I believe we should leave. I believe the EEC was (for all its faults) the right size structure for the trade we wanted at the time. Does it fit the world where we can buy dildos from China and sell Dysons to the Japanese?

  10. I believe the EEC was (for all its faults) the right size structure for the trade we wanted at the time.

    But the EEC was never the right structure for the federalists. It was only a stepping stone. As is the EU.

    And, I would say, as a post-Imperial power, what we gave up – the long-term trade links outside of Europe – to join the EEC was a lot more than many others gave up.

  11. Taken out of context, I agree with the quote. Envisage this:

    We leave the single market and various industries have to shut down or restructure – job losses result. Corbyn wins the next general election.

    As long as you accept that Corbyn is a fascist, which I do, then the quote is reasonable.

  12. Has he succeeded in finding a homeless, assetless bum to front his action against Uber yet, as he’s not willing to risk his own listed windmill home with opera recital room to do so himself.

    Greater love hath no man than this, that he should lay down the life of some worthless bum for his pointless Cause.

  13. @Tim Newman

    ‘The best comment I saw on him recently was somebody saying he’s called fucking Jolyon, the son of an Etonian called Benedictus. He’s like something from a PG Wodehouse story, only less funny.’

    To be fair to the smug twat, his father was David Benedictus, but he was the product of a fling and Benedictus denied parentage and had nothing to do with him. Maugham was brought up by his mother and his adoptive father, both from strictly non Etonian backgrounds.

    Apparently, they kicked him out of the house at sixteen – presumably he was every bit as irritating then as he is now.

  14. I’m starting to notice a pattern of people saying “Let’s be clear” and then following it with utter cockrot.

  15. “What delivered us from fascism”

    Delivered? You live in fascism, have for many years. Brussels has strong, autocratic control over you. Brexit means moving that control to London, not eliminating it.

    You will be “delivered from fascism” when mass regulatory control is ended. Which it won’t. People like fascism; they like the idea of government doing things.

    The central government should do very little.

    “At best, it leaves people the fuck alone”

    Exactly.

  16. Thanks, Interested.

    To be fair to the smug twat, his father was David Benedictus, but he was the product of a fling and Benedictus denied parentage and had nothing to do with him.

    I don’t blame him!

  17. Maugham was brought up by his mother and his adoptive father, both from strictly non Etonian backgrounds.

    His Ma still called him bloody Jolyon, though!

  18. To be fair to Pater Benedictus and his disowning of the young Joylessone and his mother kicking him out at 16, if any newborn of mine popped out looking like Soapy Joe, I’d likely have an Eraserhead moment.

  19. Martin – the Empire had various currencies but managed by currency boards controlled from London. Sterling underpinned them all. And at times the Gold Standard of course.

  20. @MB
    Read anything on Net about British Empire Economic Conference 1932 in Ottawa. This set up an Imperial (Commonwealth)” common market” and abolished the gold standard.

  21. Staying in the Single Market and Customs Union are key steps in avoiding an economic breakdown that could deliver fascism.

    Staying in the Fourth Reich avoids fascism?

    And what will happen in the EU when the Euro finally implodes?

  22. The tactic being used is that you decry something as being evil, e.g. “Fake news” so that you can use fake news and be outraged if someone accuses you of creating it by saying “No! I’m the one opposing it!”.

    So Joe says “Fascism will result” to deflect attention from the fact that fascism is what we live under.

    We are witnessing the first people in history screaming in frustration that they will no longer be ruled by dictators. Usually, revolts are to win freedom, not lose it.

  23. Next month I visit the Fascist States of Lie and Swi which are not in the customs union, and now I’m scared. Should have booked a trip to that customs union member called Turkey which has clearly avoided the scourge of Fascism.

  24. I still don’t know what people mean by “being in”/”access to”/”whatever” the single market means, as opposed to bing in the Customs Union, which I don know what it means. I keep hearing people declare we must be in/etc/whatever the single market and then go on describing what is actually the customs union.

  25. Cynic

    “I’m starting to notice a pattern of people saying “Let’s be clear” and then following it with utter cockrot.”

    Same goes for those who tell us their arguments “stand to reason” or something is “common sense”.

  26. You you believe in democracy, but deep down you long for somebody to rule over everybody like a despot, and you long for you to be that somebody.
    (paraphrasing)

  27. “We are witnessing the first people in history screaming in frustration that they will no longer be ruled by dictators.”

    I’ve noticed this more and more. When people on the left lose something, it’s screaming and stamping of feet and demands that the vote be re-reun because it was obviously rigged. When people on the right lose something, they batten down the hatches, regroup, and prepare for the next time.

  28. jgh – that’s because by definition we’re adults and they’re children, whatever their personal tree rings say.

  29. A world view based on emotions over logic, a preference for fairness over efficiency and treating all children the same, a secret desire to be ruled over and dominated by a ‘strong man’ and in may cases an unhealthy obsession with consumption and shiny things. Throw in a general belief that someone else will actually do the working thing while you do the sharing of the spoils bit and a belief system that says “it’s alright if I do it, but not if you do” and you pretty much have your modern lefty. Interesting that these are not the character traits of the average white heterosexual male though are they?

  30. another joyless cunt who can’t stand democracy and wants to make everyone elses lives a misery. no wonder he’s pals with Murphy.

  31. “A world view based on emotions over logic, a preference for fairness over efficiency and treating all children the same, a secret desire to be ruled over and dominated by a ‘strong man’ and in may cases an unhealthy obsession with consumption and shiny things. Throw in a general belief that someone else will actually do the working thing while you do the sharing of the spoils bit and a belief system that says “it’s alright if I do it, but not if you do” and you pretty much have your modern lefty.”

    As pointed out above, that describes children to a T. Leftists are people who have never made the psychological transition from dependent child to autonomous adult.

  32. @ Tony Q
    Interesting
    He cleaned up after his peers in a Girls’ school – what were his peers doing in the Girls’ school?
    Finishing school with mediocre grades he took a year out in England. Who paid for his flight? Three years after graduating from Oxford I had just saved up enough to pay for a return flight to New York where my little sister was doing a Ph D.
    His father got him a job with the BBC
    After his step-father threw him out he went to live with a teacher who was interested in boys his age – we are not told *why* his step-father threw him out.

  33. Jim…..and most women. Which is I am afraid why we will never be rid of lefty culture….Young men pretend to go along with it to get laid, but when they get married are forced to become practical and realise that the world isn’t fair – unless of course they go into the public sector where they can spend their whole time lobbying for more of other people’s money. Many (most?) wives also realise that sharing resources equally is right, but only for your own family. The most persistent lefties tend to be in the public sector, the childless and the unwed…

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