On the campus rape nonsense

The G, where else, complaining about De Vos and her insistence that campus rape should actually be dealt with according to the law. Evidence, witnesses, investigation, trial, shadow of doubt stuff, all that.

The G is against all of this of course.

She didn’t talk about the fact that according to US Department of Justice reports, an estimated 19% of college-age women will suffer attempted or completed sexual assault, but that only 12% of those cases ever get reported – or that only between two and 10% of campus sexual assault accusations are actually false, per the National Sexual Violence Resource Center. Those aren’t the victims she seems to care about.

It did take us rather a long time to work out a system which, for all its faults, tries to sort through those claims to find those 2 to 10% which are false. The one that works as best as any system can is evidence, witnesses, investigation, trial, shadow of doubt stuff, all that.

Exactly the same system we use in fact when attempting to decide whether someone has made a false allegation that we’d like to punish.

We generally refer to all of this as civil rights.

But it’s a curious set of sympathies indeed for a department of government whose purpose is to enforce civil rights.

What’s curious about the people hoping to enforce civil rights enforcing civil rights?

23 comments on “On the campus rape nonsense

  1. “the fact that according to US Department of Justice reports, an estimated 19% of college-age women will suffer attempted or completed sexual assault”

    An estimate is not a fact.

  2. Does “attempted sexual assault” go all the way to asking a chick at the bar if she’d like a drink?

  3. “Does “attempted sexual assault” go all the way to asking a chick at the bar if she’d like a drink?”

    Only if it’s offered by someone she doesn’t fancy.

  4. David,

    You don’t get the full horror.

    Only if it’s offered by someone she doesn’t fancy.

    By somebody she decides, in the cold light of the following morning, or after being preached at by the nearest feminist harpy, that she didn’t fancy as much as she had done after a couple of large proseccos the previous evening.

  5. Surely it is time to take this seriously.
    No more mixed education, it’s obviously a failed experiment. Get back to segregating by sex and the problem disappears.

  6. I think the bigger scandal here is the ‘fact’ that the chances of a girl being raped at a US college are more than if she went on the piss in downtown Mogadishu. (Or got a taxi back from a kebab shop in Rotherham.)

  7. My understanding is that upwards of a third of rape allegations are false and the 2% figure comes from those which are proven to be false in court. The rest just disappear because the evidence won’t support a trial.

  8. I have long since dismissed statistics in these areas as at best meaningless and at worst deliberately misleading.

    First definitions are widened to the point of absurdity (domestic violence including ‘stern looks’) and then grouped together for dramatic effect (78% of women have been raped or know a friend who has been raped or have been chatted up by someone they didn’t fancy).

  9. Pat

    “Surely it is time to take this seriously.
    No more mixed education, it’s obviously a failed experiment. Get back to segregating by sex and the problem disappears.”

    Indeed. Its a wonder that parents let their daughters go to these places and aren’t banging down the doors of the Senate and Congress demanding changes.

    Perhaps we should file this under revealed preferences or whatever the social science equivalent is.

  10. “those 2 to 10% which are false”: how could such a number be knowable? It’s as daft as saying that (for the sake of argument) half of all rapes aren’t reported. How could anyone possibly know?

  11. And that point is only strengthened when you allow for the fact that the definition of rape seems rather elastic nowadays.

  12. Perhaps we should file this under revealed preferences or whatever the social science equivalent is.

    I doubt there is any such equivalent, most of the social sciences being what they are – vehicles for propaganda and pre-selected conclusions.

  13. ‘will suffer attempted or completed sexual assault, but that only 12% of those cases ever get reported’

    Do they have to suffer? Can they just be annoyed?

    Unwanted touching is sexual assault, if the touchee decides so.

    As above, how the hell could they know 12%?

  14. Meanwhile, in a small room somewhere in Washington D.C., leaders of the Democratic Party puzzle over why they can’t get white males to voter Democrat. In another small room, more Democratic Party operatives puzzle over why their hold over Black and Latino male voters is eroding.

    It is expected that the puzzling will continue for several more years… At the very least.

  15. A liberal weenie friend asked me, more in exasperation than in interest, why I’d voted for Donald Trump. I responded thusly:

    “A certain proportion of the Democratic Party hates me because I am white. A certain proportion hates me because I am male. A certain proportion of it hates me because I am Christian. A certain proportion hates me because I am heterosexual. And this is before we even get to policy issues. Why on Earth would I vote for a party that sees me as the root of all evil?”

    He had no response.

  16. I suspect they make up the numbers of sexual assaults by including Facebook Pokes, or readng your profile page.

  17. That’s 2-10% by modern rape standards too. God only knows what % of the rest are ridiculous ‘regret rape’ garbage.

  18. Good use the word only there too, only 10% of accusations are false. If only 10% of flights ended in a crash, would we be quite flippant about that? Of course, according to gay rights groups ONLY 10% of the population is homosexual so presumably we can safely ignore them as well…

  19. Talking of statistics, the perpetrators are apparently overwhelming white according to the article, based on the fact that the % is 57%, certainly a new definition of overwhelming.
    I assume if there was no figures adjusted for the average makeup of the student population by race.
    If anyone had used the language in that article to describe a non-white group there would have been an uproar

  20. A Canadian judge is being investigated after he ruled that a drunk person could still give consent….though it does seem a very dubious case involving a taxi driver, basically he seems to have said if you can’t remember then it’s not up to the other person to prove it.

  21. If 10% of rape claims are false when the person has to back it up with some evidence, what will it rise to if the standard of proof drops?

    The idea that the rate of false claims will not rise when there is no risk in making them is magical thinking.

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