Deary Lordy Me

The most immediate battle facing Theresa May’s government is securing comprehensive parliamentary approval for its “great repeal bill”, which transfers all EU laws and regulations into UK law. Although the House of Commons this week gave assent to the first stage of this unprecedentedly complex and detailed legislation it still faces serious challenges in the final stages of the bill’s approval.

It’s actually a blindingly simple piece of legislation. “All EU derived law is now UK derived” and that’s pretty much it.

But then we should never expect a connection between John Palmer and reality when discussing the EU.

There are clear signs that the political mood in the EU is changing: austerity is being rejected and there is a new emphasis on the need for a Europe-wide economic stimulus programme to boost investment recovery

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Rilly? They’re not about to change those rules you know, 3% budget deficits, no monetisation of spending and all that…..

20 comments on “Deary Lordy Me

  1. The non-trivial bit is mopping up all the places where where the EU rules refer to EU bodies as part of their operation, which can’t just be done by putting one gigantic search-and-replace macro into the wording of the bill.

  2. And all European Commission and council of ministers derived powers and competencies now reside with HMG.

  3. Oh, the irony.

    Those screeching for democracy are those who were telling us last year that it was a bad thing.

    And they want elected ministers to have their hands tied but venerate the idea of faceless unelected commissioners making up laws.

  4. Slightly OT. If any Leavers were having buyers remorse the drunker’s State of The Union speech will have set them right. I’ll bet a few reluctant Remainers are thinking “wow, we dodged one there!”

    The fact than an unelected bureaucrat presumes to give a State of the Union speech in itself is enough to leave without reading the appalling content.

  5. If Parliament choses to vest all EU powers in the Government, so what? Parliament cannot bind its successors, any future Parliament can chose to vest those powers elsewhere.

  6. Whilst jgh is right, I would be happier with sunset clauses for the vesting of powers on the basis that they would be lost to inertia unless positive steps were taken to amend them.

  7. Let the EU keep their laws. People voted to leave the EU for a reason.

    Parliament must spell out any law they wish to make. It must be deliberated. Proferring and voting on a 20,000* page bill is treason, giving power to outsiders, one of the biggest problems with being in the EU in the first place.

    ‘It’s actually a blindingly simple piece of legislation. “All EU derived law is now UK derived” and that’s pretty much it.’

    Blindingly simple, and blindingly evil.

    *Or however many pages it will be.

  8. Pat: I would be happier with sunset clauses
    Be happy, there’s provision for that in the bill.

    BiND: wow, we dodged one there!
    We dodged more than one! What’s more, the remain argument always assumed that the UK would stay in the EU as it is and denied or obscured the drive towards ever-closer union and further integration. It’s worth listening to Juncker’s whole multi-lingual speech to get the full flavour of the anti-democratic prospect with its European army (uniforms by Hugo Boss).

  9. TMB,

    “What’s more, the remain argument always assumed that the UK would stay in the EU as it is and denied or obscured the drive towards ever-closer union and further integration.”

    Indeed, and that was always the clincher for me. Even back in the ’80s when the pro EU* talked about “missing the Euro train” I used to ask if anyone had wandered down to the front to see where it was going. Of course nobody had, or at least those who knew didn’t want to articulate it.

    *yes, I know it wasn’t the EU then, but that’s where it was heading..

  10. Is anyone else starting to get a little nervous about the EU combined military?

    IIRC (and it’s entirely possible that I don’t) the American civil war was brought about after a bunch of southern states tried to leave (because the federal govt brought in laws that they didn’t like). I don’t think the EU would go the same way (look how badly it went for Germany last time they tried) but still…

  11. It is more complex. In my patch, Insurance, there are all sorts of links to EIOPA in the rules and rules on what a national supervisor can and cannot do. The Uk regulator isn’t equipped to do the things the EIOPA are supposed to do. Mind you that isn’t saying that EIOPA does them well anyway.

    Other stuff would be where EU bodies set rules or “calibrations” of requirements based on some hidden spreadsheet that we don’t have. The Uk can’t just magically take the power if it wasn’t transparent what was being done in the first place.

    None of this stops Brexit and indeed much of it shows how much power had gone to Brussels. De-nationalisation by stealth has taken place and this act is bringing it out in the open.

    The Henry VIII argument is parallel to this though.

  12. Bloke in Halifax,

    An interesting point. I might well be a little nervous if I believed it was the EEC/EU that had maintained peace in Europe all these years.

    As it was NATO and the Soviet Union, we can relax.

  13. Oh do stop being such a cunt.
    Its a war about the extent to which the UK is going to prioritize ethnic cleansing over prosperity a subject Parliament has been kept a country mile form other than when whipped to rubber stamp leaving the single market by both parties .
    in any case whatever the intention of the bill may be the way it is drafted contains “…the and anything else we haven`t thought of ” clause , that all would be holders of on going authority crave and it can`t go through the way it is anyway.
    Do you really think your beloved National Socialist Party wouldn`t use those powers to avoid an embarrassingly public slash to social legislation leave promised to keep

    Brexit the movement that gave you faith based economics now gives you faith based Politics — may we laugh now ?

  14. Newmania, Warballs aside. It probably does need that clause.. because as Andrew Again says… if EU staff are doing stuff presently no-one in UK knows the mechanics of and EU law allows them to do it.. well then there has to be a bit of leeway in the new UK law to come up with a way for UK civil servants to work. Making sure this is reviewed by Parliament is very important too of course and sunset clauses seem to be the way to go.

  15. It may be that these ‘Henry VIII’ clauses transfer power from unelected bureaucrats in the Berlaymont directly to ministers in the UK government. But Parliament has the absolute right to override anything the executive does – if necessary, a simple vote of no confidence can remove them. How do I get rid of Barmier if he does something I don’t fancy much?

  16. @ Chris Miller
    We all know the answer to that, but Herr Juncker wants an EU army so that the response can match that to the Black Hand’s assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

  17. Does Herr Juncker want an army because the Luxembourg Army is merely a division of the local Gendarmerie?

    From Wikipedia: It has a current strength of approximately 450 professional soldiers—340 enlisted recruits and 100 civilians—with a total budget of $369 million, or 0.9% of GDP (or $820 000 per soldier/civilian member).

  18. Hey–Newtreasonator–peruse the clauses below you sad sack of facepainted shite and reflect on how massively fucked Drunker’s little list has left your already shambolic and stinking corpse of a cause.

    All the crap traitors like you lied that such plans were pure fantasy. And there they all are– laid out in black and white.

    Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out.

    *A single, unelected, Federation President, with full powers
    •A standing Federation army
    •Full Federation tax and fiscal control over the 27 satrap states
    •Federation alone to determine foreign policy
    •Funding block on all anti-EU parties, but generous funding for Federations own ‘tame’ parties
    •EU immigration policy compulsory for all members
    *Euro made compulsory – robbing nation states of the last vestige of independence

    Further EU expansion.

    A policy of continued immigration into the EU from the Middle East and Africa.

    The further removal of national vetos with the extension of QMV or simply EU commission decisions.

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