Hunger striker complains that he’s losing weight

Whut?

Guantánamo hunger striker accuses US officials of letting him ‘waste away’

The background here is vile, as we all know.

Zero trial, no possibility of facing evidence or accusers, not ever to be released and the legal tergiversions of the Yanks in doing this are all vile.

But there is that dark, dark, amusement that a hunger striker is complaining that they’re just, well, letting him get on with it. Are not intervening. That actually is his immediate complaint.

Khalid Qasim, held at the prison for 15 years without charge or trial, told his lawyer that doctors stopped force-feeding him and another inmate three weeks ago, and are no longer monitoring their medical condition.

“They have decided to leave us to waste away and die instead,” Qasim, 40, told his lawyer by phone for an article published by the Guardian. “I am in so much pain every minute that I know it can’t go on much longer. Now as each night comes, I wonder if I will wake up in the morning. When will my organs fail? When will my heart stop? I am slowly slipping away and no one notices.”

44 comments on “Hunger striker complains that he’s losing weight

  1. You’d have thought Saint Obama would have released him at some point during his eight years in charge.

    According to Reprieve, Qasim, from a small town in Yemen, travelled to Afghanistan in search of work in 2000.

    Balls.

  2. “Zero trial, no possibility of facing evidence or accusers”

    Well that generally is what happens to captured enemy combatants.

  3. I’ve been waiting for just such an opportunity to talk about my keto diet.

    I’m wearing trousers I haven’t been able to get into for years.

    I’m unfashionable but I’m not fat.

  4. Tim – I think the word should be “tergiversation” but even then I’m not quite sure what it’s doing here!

  5. @Wat – me too. 12 and a bit kg in just over 8.5 weeks. This week has been somewhat slow though, despite not doing anything at all different…

    Am going to have to buy trousers of a size I’ve not had since I was a teenager, since I’ve cinched up my belts by 2 notches!

    The only disappointment is that rifles have started to hurt my shoulder again, but ho hum. You take the rough with the smooth.

  6. Again it seems that I am forced to speak on behalf of a crew I have zero regard for in order to make the point in defence of the general decency for which these islands were once famed.

    That just because the authorities say you are a killer/terrorist that does not make you one.

    Many in Guan were sold to the Yanks for the $25000 dollar bounty that BabyBush was offering at the time. Those in Guan should either be charged or released. Death penalty, jail or freedom . Not endless jail and torment on the arbitrary orders of political scum.

    If there is evidence on this bloke try him and fix his wagon law-way. Otherwise let him go. Even if we run a risk of facing him again on some future battlefield.

    If any of you misguided hard-hearts out there don’t like it, think on this.: That cunt Rudd wants people to get 15 years for LOOKING at a web page the bitch and her SCS crew deem to be “far right” ( never mind terroristic).What we say on this thread counters cucktural(sic) Marxism more than enough to qualify.

    You think on that and the evil of arbitrary “justice”.

  7. In 1981, I raised a glass as a toast in grateful thanks to the death of a terrorist scumbag every time a hunger striker died. I’ll feel much the same now.

  8. Rob,

    His problem is that he is from Yemen. He cannot be sent home and no other country will take him. It’s all very well saying charge or release him, but he is unreleasable, he literally has nowhere to go.

  9. @DocBud

    On a similar note, Belgium has started deporting “refugees” who have been flying back to their countries of origin for long periods.

    Baby steps, baby steps.

  10. They have decided to leave us to waste away and die instead,” Qasim, 40

    You know, I can’t help feel there is a solution to this problem. Call me naive, but, perhaps, just maybe, he might like to put down the phone and pick up a fork?

    Precisely what is stopping this man eating dinner? He is insisting that the US force feed him because ….. ? If he does not want to take part in an Extreme Diet, why not just eat something?

    America owes due process to Americans. It owes nothing to this man. Put him in a helicopter. Fly out to sea. Introduce him to the joys of diving.

  11. SMFS

    “America owes due process to Americans. It owes nothing to this man. Put him in a helicopter. Fly out to sea. Introduce him to the joys of diving.”

  12. “America owes due process to Americans. It owes nothing to this man. Put him in a helicopter. Fly out to sea. Introduce him to the joys of diving.”

    There is a degree of toughness that is needed and is proper to a man.

    There is also a degree of slavering malice that heralds the pseudo-tough guy and indeed sometimes even the squealing tormenting nancy.

    You have no idea if this individual has committed any crime whatsoever SMFS. But you call for him to receive an agonising death which he may have done NOTHING to merit.
    You don’t know and you don’t give a psuedotough shite. Ok but don’t come whining when dear Amber deals out the same on your head. Off Beachy Head quite possibly. In the hope you’ll be run down by a supertanker or summat.

    If they have evidence–to repeat myself for the hard of both thinking and common human decency–charge him or let him go.

    Accusation by vindictive govt pricks does not equal proof of guilt.

  13. When we captured Germans during WWII, we didn’t release them if we couldn’t prove they’d committed a particular crime, being enemy combatants was sufficient to detain them.

    These foreign nationals were captured in Afghanistan alongside the Taliban. We are still at war with Islam and the Taliban in particular which is reason enough to detain them or deport them. We certainly don’t want them settling in the West, but the fact is that no country wants them so they are de facto stateless. This is a situation of their own making so tough tittles.

  14. “This is a situation of their own making so tough tittles”

    How is being somewhere when the shit hits the fan your fault?

    Not everybody was in a war zone when grabbed by the Yanks. As I said there was a 25 thou bounty for info and numbers of Afghan and other cunts picked up the equivalent of a very nice scratchcard win by saying “Yeah , that’s ‘im over there”. Including I believe numbers of greybeards who were classed as “leaders”.

    If they have info then try and punish him by due process. If –since they can’t be prisoners of war with none declared and as a civilian –then use due process of law. Even if he is not an American. As opposed to the alternative of despotism–“we can do what we fucking like cos there’s no rules for mugs like you”??

    No one is suggesting he settle here but you are right that the really dangerous are being allowed to settle here by the many thousand and one poor sod is left to rot without even a charge.

    Lawdogging doesn’t cut it Doc. Simple as that. Remember what the state can get away with on one poor mug it will apply to its own soon enough.

  15. Mr Ecks – “You have no idea if this individual has committed any crime whatsoever SMFS. But you call for him to receive an agonising death which he may have done NOTHING to merit.”

    No I do not know. Nor do I need to. It would be better if there was a hearing I admit. But he is not a member of my community. He is a member of a community that preys on my community. I owe him nothing. Von Helsing did not give every vampire a trial. He drove a stake through their hearts.

    “Ok but don’t come whining when dear Amber deals out the same on your head.”

    As if she wouldn’t no matter what I do – to the cheers of people like BiG. The Left has been tearing up civil liberties for generations. We know what their end game is. Our restraint is not going to slow them down one bit.

    Blowing him out of a cannon on capture would have been better I admit. But we can’t get there from here and here we are. What is to be done?

  16. Van Helsing had no trouble deciding who was a vampire and moving to swift justice. He didn’t keep a basement of people being tortured on the grounds they might be vampires and we’ll lose our cushy jailscrew jobs if we let them go.

    As for class-based guilt it may be inevitable in a war zone with no time to think in the face of instant death. But you talk as if Gitmo’s entire population were taken in or around battlefields. Many were picked up long after the main events were over in ordinary life–or what passes for it over there–on the say so of paid informers.

    As always you defend your view point out of sheer perversity. Let us hope that Comrade Corbyn’s friends never have you in a UK Gitmo and are charged with altering your POV.

    Actually it would probably be poetic justice.

  17. if you travel overseas to stand alongside the enemy, you have to suffer the consequences. The consequences being that no country wants you living amongst them. Tough titties, I don’t give a toss and if you can’t live with the consequences of your actions and choose to starve yourself to death, so be it, I won’t lose any sleep.

  18. The overwhelming majority of Guantanamo detainees have been released. They are left with those they cannot get rid of because no country will touch them with a barge pole. Countries are not refusing them because they appear to have been humanitarian aid workers or traveling prayer mat salesman. Countries don’t want them because the pointers suggest they were in bed with the Taliban. Even if they were charged and acquitted they have nowhere to go because nobody wants them.

  19. Mr Ecks – “Van Helsing had no trouble deciding who was a vampire and moving to swift justice.”

    Nor do we have any problems deciding that he is a Muslim who moved to Afghanistan. No one is being tortured.

    “Many were picked up long after the main events were over in ordinary life–or what passes for it over there–on the say so of paid informers.”

    Allegedly. But so what?

    “As always you defend your view point out of sheer perversity.”

    That is absurd.

    “Let us hope that Comrade Corbyn’s friends never have you in a UK Gitmo and are charged with altering your POV. Actually it would probably be poetic justice.”

    As if they are not trying. You of all people ought to have woken up to the reality by now. The Left has killed that liberal society. Either we are in jail or they are. There is no third option. You can sit and hope that being nice will save you but it won’t. Any more than it did Anne Frank. Supporting democracy and human rights did not help her either.

  20. I am somewhat worried that I’m in agreement with Ecks. Maybe without the swearing though.

    No government should have the right to lock you up on a whim without any redress. Don’t care what he’s accused of.

    If he is found guilty after a fair trail, well that’s a different matter.

  21. Why do you keep on about “no country wants them”? The entire Islamic zone can’t find somewhere to take one chump in? Nonsense. He can find somewhere to fuck off to–he has family for Christ’s sake.

    I admit going to Afghanistan to look for work in 2000 sounds well dodgy. But –as I keep saying if they have evidence try and punish. Likely dodgy is all they can come up with.

    This “I don’t care about “etc also doesn’t cut it. Maybe you should. Nothing personal but It smacks of the cowardly dog-kicker who hasn’t the stones to front his real tormenters so takes it out on some poor helpless mutt instead. If you have him bang to rights hang him. If not let him go. Even the fucking soviets released German prisoners after 10 years of hard labour and suffering–and the Russians had had a lot worse dealt them than 9-11.. Are we now less humane even than socialist scum? More nasty and vindictive than a gang of mass murderers?

    Fight monsters and become a monster indeed.

  22. In general principle I agree with Mr Ecks (and our host). However, with this particular individual I have doubts as to whether any sympathy is warranted.

    The yanks checked and released loads of Gitmo prisoners they classed as harmless. Then (for hand-wringing) they released a load of prisoners they knew were guilty, and some of those went on to do further harm. The ones they’ve got left are the ones they have serious concerns over.

    This guy is facing being fed without trial indefinitely. He is the one with control over how long the short term of that is. If he’s a scumbag I have no sympathy at all. If he’s an innocent, I have sympathy for his general plight but no sympathy over his choice to protest his innocence via his own death.

  23. Andy H – “No government should have the right to lock you up on a whim without any redress. Don’t care what he’s accused of.”

    Governments do have the right to lock you up on a whim without redress. If is not much used but it is there.

    However that misses the point. Governments owe their own populations something. They owe foreigners nothing whatsoever. Why should we spent ten years fighting each and every case through the Courts at about a million pounds per year in legal aid before we can do something about these people?

    Mr Ecks – “Why do you keep on about “no country wants them”? The entire Islamic zone can’t find somewhere to take one chump in? Nonsense.”

    So you are fine with torture as long as it is out sourced to browner people? Because what do you think the Algerians or anyone else we palm them off to will do?

    There is a simple solution – fly a drone over Cuba and blow him up with a Hellfire missile. People who have been killed by drones don’t get legal aid and expensive lawyers either. Which was apparently just fine when Obama did it.

  24. The above was for Doc Bud. Again nothing personal.

    SMFS–If victory means we are left no better than them what fucking victory have we won?

    “Nor do we have any problems deciding that he is a Muslim who moved to Afghanistan. No one is being tortured.”!

    I think torture will have been used and the rest of your life without being charged or released is torture enough.

    Islamic and moved to Afghanistan?(Such and moved to Dagenham perhaps.) That’s enough is it? So if you were arrested cos you were within ten miles of a bomb blast you’d see the justice in that would you? And if some paid informer pointed you out for 25 large that’d be “so what” as well?

    “As if they are not trying. You of all people ought to have woken up to the reality by now. The Left has killed that liberal society. Either we are in jail or they are. There is no third option. You can sit and hope that being nice will save you but it won’t. Any more than it did Anne Frank. Supporting democracy and human rights did not help her either.”

    Oh Dear–there really isn’t much decency still abiding in you is there?

    So…what exactly are we to fight for SMFS?. Fascism IS socialism so you can’t even put your jodhpurs on have a cause to fight for.

    Where should we raise our standard SMFS? What values are we fighting for? On the battlefield it is kill or be killed. But we beat Adolf and ultimately the soviets without becoming complete cunts ourselves. If you want to rally the troops on the credo that “The Future is Just Nasty ” then I don’t think we have much chance anyway.

  25. SMFS “So you are fine with torture as long as it is out sourced to browner people? Because what do you think the Algerians or anyone else we palm them off to will do?”

    I suggest sending him home to his family not to be tortured. Torture is another one–as has been discussed before–that you believe in and I don’t.

    If as PJF says they have good reason to find him well dodgy then kill him or let him go. Offer him back to his crew in exchange Cold-War style. If we are frightened of individual men to the extent we dare not just tell him to fuck off and don’t come back we are not the men our fathers were.

    “Why should we spent ten years fighting each and every case through the Courts at about a million pounds per year in legal aid before we can do something about these people?”

    Then only go after people you have definite info on. Don’t offer money for finger-pointing and have every greedy cunt in Kabul looking for a cash pick-up

  26. “If … they have good reason to find him well dodgy then kill him or let him go.”

    Well, they’re letting him kill himself. Seems fair.

  27. Islamic countries are the least likely to take him. Some of them are happy to fund terrorism but they certainly don’t want to take in foreign terrorists.

    That is very much the reality with the Yemenis, the US cannot persuade any country to take them and they sure as hell don’t want him roaming their streets so they have no choice but to keep them detained.

    Within two days of taking power, Obama was going to close the place within a year. Eight years later it was still open. There are two types of inmates left, those considered too dangerous and those who no other country will take.

  28. Ecks marks the spot! We figured out that Habeas Corpus was a good idea back in the middle ages. Let’s not fuck it up now because some pen pusher doesn’t know what to do with someone.

    P.S. The fact that it’s Ecksie making this argument tells me that he’s a safe pair of hands to run the inevitable purge!

  29. But we beat Adolf and ultimately the soviets without becoming complete cunts ourselves.”

    We burnt the women and children of Germany in their homes for the self-stated purpose of terror. That was pretty cunty.

    You can come back from being a complete cunt. You can’t come back from Islam.

  30. As so often Mr ecks the well known bleeding heart, is right.

    You others should be ashamed dropping to their level.

  31. No government should have the right to lock you up on a whim without any redress. Don’t care what he’s accused of.

    What the overwhelming majority of Guantánamo prisoners was accused of was being “unlawful combatants” – that is, those engaged in combat while wearing civilian garb and mingling with the civilian population. In that case, every government in the world reserves the right to impose summary execution.
    Sounds like he got off lucky to me.

  32. PJF–You are right that war brings out some terrible stuff. But they bombed us first. We started with leaflets and got death-from-above-back.

    We didn’t stoop then to making torture an institution or to endless punishment. Some of the guilty were hanged and some served their time. As I said even the soviets let the mass of prisoners go after 10 years of frozen torment.

  33. Why not return them to where they were picked up with an apology and maybe a couple of $k?

    They were there for legitimate reasons, or so they claim, so presumably they want to get back to that reason.

  34. “I am slowly slipping away and no one notices.”

    Yet I am pretty sure he, like all the others, are marched into the galley 3 times a day and offered plentiful, culturally sensitive, decent (if not great) food.

    And if he can’t make it on his own, in the infirmary or his cell, they’ll bring it to him.

    Yeah, its a vile setup in Gitmo and a major stain on whatever honor the US has left – but its still hilarious that a dude on a voluntary hunger-strike isn’t having a tube jammed down his nose and nutrient paste pumped into his stomach.

    Especially after all these guys bitched when the US did that to the last set of hunger-strikers.

  35. Yemen has not deteriorated to the point that if they dropped him off in Sana’a he’d be immediately in a dungeon with his toenails being pulled out. After 15 years they know whether he’s innocent or guilty.

    They should do triage on people picked up for a Gitmo holiday. First group: people picked up by mistake: let them go after you’ve squeezed them for a bit just to make sure. Second group: minor jihadists with not much intelligence value: get what you can out of them (don’t waste too much time) and then shoot them in the head. Third group: big players with lots of intel value: squeeze them for as many years as it takes to get all the juice out of them, and then shoot them in the head.

  36. ‘Zero trial, no possibility of facing evidence or accusers, not ever to be released and the legal tergiversions of the Yanks in doing this are all vile.’

    Bullshit. He should have been shot dead. Non-uniformed combatants are to be summarily killed. He should not have been taken to Guantanimo; he should have been killed on sight.

  37. Mr Ecks – “The above was for Doc Bud. Again nothing personal.”

    So with me it is personal?

    “If victory means we are left no better than them what fucking victory have we won?”

    Strangely enough I continue to think we are better than them. Perhaps it is because we don’t rape slave girls. Perhaps it is because I do not like facile cliches. Who knows?

    “Islamic and moved to Afghanistan?(Such and moved to Dagenham perhaps.) That’s enough is it?”

    I don’t think anyone is claiming they got the wrong man. Yeah, it is enough.

    “there really isn’t much decency still abiding in you is there?”

    I don’t make the rules. I did not create the society in which we live. I would have made different rules. So there is no point blaming me for noticing the rules under which we do live. Not my fault. It was that way before I got here.

    “On the battlefield it is kill or be killed. But we beat Adolf and ultimately the soviets without becoming complete cunts ourselves.”

    But we did lock people up for indefinite periods without trial. The Mosleys for instance. Sure they were let out pretty quick but that is because they had friends. Other pro-Nazis were not.

    Mr Ecks – “I suggest sending him home to his family not to be tortured. Torture is another one–as has been discussed before–that you believe in and I don’t.”

    Great. A pity that there is little chance that you can send these people home without being tortured. Their own governments – the governments they were trying to destroy – will want to talk to him. Although he is probably safe in Yemen. I believe that is one of those countries where we are allied with al-Qaeda against Iran.

    “Then only go after people you have definite info on. Don’t offer money for finger-pointing and have every greedy cunt in Kabul looking for a cash pick-up”

    Or do what the law demands – restrict civil liberties to British people in Britain. Not to non-British people not in Britain (or in this case, non-Americans not in America). We did not let the good citizens of Dresden sue for property damage. Because we owe foreigners nothing. Why should we let any other foreigner?

    Civil liberties are for subjects of Her Maj and anyone we let into the country. Foreigners trying to kill us have no claim on the legal system.

  38. “Mr Ecks – “The above was for Doc Bud. Again nothing personal.”

    So with me it is personal?”

    No–I don’t know you. We have more opinions in common than opposed but you also have lots of crappy psuedo-tough opinions that mark you as someone who might be a necessary ally against the left –but not any sort of friend. That is just the truth –nothing personal.

    ““If victory means we are left no better than them what fucking victory have we won?”

    Strangely enough I continue to think we are better than them. Perhaps it is because we don’t rape slave girls. Perhaps it is because I do not like facile cliches. Who knows?”

    We are better than them. But it seems you want to undermine that by endorsing torture and shoot-em all /let God sort ’em out pseudo-tough guy crap. We don’t stay better than them by becoming as bad as they are. We do what evil we have to–we shouldn’t embrace evil with chortling glee..

    ““Islamic and moved to Afghanistan?(Such and moved to Dagenham perhaps.) That’s enough is it?”

    I don’t think anyone is claiming they got the wrong man. Yeah, it is enough.”

    I’m claiming we don’t know. If we know–and knowing is not =to suspecting–then a trial and if guilty –execute him. Do leave him to rot for something you can’t prove in a court of law?

    ““there really isn’t much decency still abiding in you is there?”

    I don’t make the rules. I did not create the society in which we live. I would have made different rules. So there is no point blaming me for noticing the rules under which we do live. Not my fault. It was that way before I got here.”

    You are doing no such thing. You display malicious glee about the sufferings of others that would be entirely absent if the same stuff was laid on you and yours. And your willingness to accept such injustice and indeed regard it as a minor, casual matter almost to be enjoyed as part of the spectacle of life actually brings it nearer to you and yours. Those who love power–having successfully taken licence– are not going to stop at boundaries you approve of.

    ““On the battlefield it is kill or be killed. But we beat Adolf and ultimately the soviets without becoming complete cunts ourselves.”

    But we did lock people up for indefinite periods without trial. The Mosleys for instance. Sure they were let out pretty quick but that is because they had friends. Other pro-Nazis were not.”

    They were in jail for the duration of a declared war. Not at the state’s indefinite pleasure. Nor was their regime a fraction of the Gitmo fun house.

    “Mr Ecks – “I suggest sending him home to his family not to be tortured. Torture is another one–as has been discussed before–that you believe in and I don’t.”

    Great. A pity that there is little chance that you can send these people home without being tortured. Their own governments – the governments they were trying to destroy – will want to talk to him. Although he is probably safe in Yemen. I believe that is one of those countries where we are allied with al-Qaeda against Iran.”

    Send him to Yemen then. After that it is between him and God. We can’t control what every scumbag in the world does. But that is no excuse to join them in the gutter. He isn’t in protective custody in Gitmo.

    ““Then only go after people you have definite info on. Don’t offer money for finger-pointing and have every greedy cunt in Kabul looking for a cash pick-up”

    Or do what the law demands – restrict civil liberties to British people in Britain. Not to non-British people not in Britain (or in this case, non-Americans not in America). We did not let the good citizens of Dresden sue for property damage. Because we owe foreigners nothing. Why should we let any other foreigner?”

    We bombed them as an act of war. It was needed. We don’t need to be torturing a handful of chumps forever. If we have evidence then trial etc. If not let him go. Nor does legal cockrot cut it. Because their is no law in place does not mean it is or should be a morals-free anything goes situation.

    “Civil liberties are for subjects of Her Maj and anyone we let into the country. Foreigners trying to kill us have no claim on the legal system.”

    If we have evidence he was trying to kill us then trial etc. Legal system claims–no. Claims on human decency and morality –yes.

  39. Was there a good reason to bring such people to Cuba instead of keeping them in a jail in Afghanistan where they were captured?

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