89% of Brits say adultery is immoral

89% of British adults say tax avoidance by large companies is morally wrong even if it’s legal

The number of Brits arguing that adultery should be made illegal is vanishingly small…….

40 comments on “89% of Brits say adultery is immoral

  1. How many think homosexuality is immoral, or that third-world immigration is a bad thing? Don’t the left decry populism as fascism?

  2. “The number of Brits arguing that adultery should be made illegal is vanishingly small…….”

    Hardly “vanishingly small”, given those 2.8 m culturally enriching Muslims we’ve imported and bred.

  3. Theophrastus – “Hardly “vanishingly small”, given those 2.8 m culturally enriching Muslims we’ve imported and bred.”

    He did say Brits.

  4. It’s notable that it’s specifically avoidance by *large companies*.
    Not medium sized companies. Not small companies. Not individuals. And mostly reflects the poisoning of attitudes towards big business. It’s big business that’s increasingly regarded as immoral. Despite that a sizeable proportion of people owe their livelihoods to big business. Are therefore part of & inseparable from big business. As are people through their savings, pension funds, insurance etc.
    Basically, people have been convinced they, themselves, are immoral.

  5. Plus the questions were undoubtedly phrased to imply that the avoidance was actually some sneaky form evasion and phrased in a leading manner.

    You would agree with me, would you not, along with all right thinking people, so I am told by the Pope, that it is immoral to be asking questions in a leading manner, which is illegal in a court of law, and with bogus appeals to authority?

  6. “I suspect most of the British adults that say tax avoidance is immoral haven’t much of a pot to piss in.”

    I would also be prepared to wager a hefty sum that everyone of those 88% have at some time in their lives evaded taxes – undeclared cash in hand work, paid a tradesman cash to either evade VAT or collude with the tradesman in his tax evasion.

    Basically when it comes to money and taxes people are utter hypocrites.

  7. SMFS: “He did say Brits.”

    Under the ‘airport lounge’ view of nationality, they are British, sadly.

  8. This is a good reason why i despise the Tories. There are plenty of good points, readily made in this thread. Do the Tories make them?

    I mean you expect it from Labour. You ought to be able to expect more from the Tories, but never can.

    The destruction of the Tory Party is, after Brexit day (and arguably before), the most urgent political priority for anyone who cares about liberty, property, smaller government and the individual. Or corporation.

  9. Edward – don’t mind if people then band together and form a political party. They can call it the ‘Conservative & union’ party perhaps and choose the colour blue. Then select MPs to stand at general elections etc.

    You don’t destroy a party, it can only destroy itself. So far that does not appear to be happening. But go ahead and join them and work towards your goal. While other people work for different goals.

  10. The tax regime, monetary and fiscal policy together are designed (no matter how badly) to encourage certain behaviours and discourage others, for the greater glory of the economy. So some clear-thinking executives have been encouraged and/or discouraged. Who should take the blame for this?

  11. EL

    “The destruction of the Tory Party is, after Brexit day (and arguably before), the most urgent political priority for anyone who cares about liberty, property, smaller government and the individual.”

    Destroying the major right-of-centre party in the UK before destroying the major socialist party would lead to a socialist semi-dictatorship – with all the associated damage and suffering.

    Belief, political or religious, offers membership. It fills the void in the heart with the semi-mystical embrace of community membership. Without this, beliefs wither and die. So heresy must be persecuted and eliminated, as it threatens the group. Yet the history of belief-systems strongly suggests that the successful ones deal with the external enemy before the heretics.

  12. So you don’t believe in creative destruction Theo? You think the Tory Party should just be able to stumble along like British Leyland? Which it increasingly resembles. P’raps it’s time for a State bailout or something?
    “Destroying the major right-of-centre party in the UK before destroying the major socialist party would lead to a socialist semi-dictatorship”
    There isn’t a right-of-centre party & it is a socialist semi-dictatorship. There’s hardly a fag paper between Conservative & Labour on any major issue. Camoron was unwise enough to hold a referendum on Europe, failed to get the result the party campaigned for & wanted & the majority of Tory MPs are very reluctantly trying to implement it. Those who aren’t actively or more surreptitiously trying to fight it. Immigration? We’ll believe Tory promises on immigration when there’s some sign their reducing it. Do we see any signs in shrinking government spending. Like fuck we do.
    It’s the Tory party slumped decaying over the right of centre ground precludes the formation & prospering of a genuine right of centre party. Why don’t you Tories just fuck off. You’ve presided over much of the decline of a one great nation into virtually a third rate one. How much more damage do you want to cause, in the interest of keeping your noses in the trough?

  13. Face it Theo–your beloved Blue Squad are a rabble kept afloat by mugs–recognise yourself in this?–who continue to pay for the privilege of having zero influence.

    Do the Grandees even bother these days to tour and make reassuring noises about how they have got everything under control?

    Breathe-Smogg is likely your last chance and what is happening about getting the Fish-Faced Loser Cow out? Sod all I bet.

  14. Mr in Spain, Mr Ecks: + 1

    The Tories are worse than Labour. The Tories are the enemy within.

    As TiS/Solid Squirrel – or whatever he’s calling himself this month – put it a few weeks ago: it’s the difference between hurtling off the cliff at 150mph, or dawdling off at 35mph (I paraphrase).

    It’s always the same with you people, Theo: give them one last chance, because, ooh, scary! There’s Corbyn.

    I remember the 1970s: tea lights, black-outs, strikes, bloody Wilson, and all the rest. I’m under no illusions about what Corbyn would mean. Let’s get on with it. Let’s find out who’s who.

    I fear Labour. I despise the Tories. They make me want to vomit.

  15. @Edward Lud

    In terms of precedent for the traditional right-wing party undergoing creative destruction, what did you think about Canada?

  16. MBE, I recall Kim Campbell’s immolation. I recall Steyn remarking, more than a decade on, on Harper’s resuscitation of the Can Tors, that the Canadian Tories were in the hands of a capable incrementalist. Not sure he’d subsrcribe to that view, now.

    But to answer your question: the revival of the Can Tors from their 1993 (?) desolation indicates that properly to annihilate a long-standing Western World Party requires somewhat more than a crossroads, midnight and a wooden stake.

    Given my pass in the matter of free association, I shall continue to make the attempt.

  17. EL/BiS/Ecksy…

    You are incredibly naive to imagine that destroying the only viable centre-right party in UK politics would achieve anything other than giving the Corbyn left a clear run…

    Broadly, you and I all share the same aims; but the only feasible way of moving the electorate rightward is by moving the Conservative party rightward. This can only be achieved by mounting a challenge from a new party (c.f. UKIP) or from within the Conservative party (e.g. Rees-Mogg).

  18. 1 – I remember a bit of Christian theology “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”
    2 – Christian Aid have commissioned an opinion poll that found the result Tom mentions.
    I can only make 1&2 compatible if Christian Aid isn’t actually very Christian, but more CofE, a flock of people following a sort of Church of Christ without Christ.

    I reconcile the parable of the talents with their wailing about inequality the same way.

  19. Mr Phrastus, you’re part of the problem.

    You go on underwriting these craven buffoons as something you refer to as the the only viable centre-right Party.

    On the subject of their viability, remind me of their parliamentary majority …

    That’s right, it’s my fault they don’t have one.

    I, and others, as well as the boundary commission, and mass immigration (which they wont oppose) will destroy them.

    The Tory party is like a huffy dowager who cannot imagine her obsolescence. Its adherents are her son’s tenants.

    If we share the same values then, get out of the way.

  20. Corbyn will have a clear run? Meh. Daggers to my testicles rather than a cord around them. Don’t care.

    The Tories are out of scares.

  21. “You are incredibly naive to imagine that destroying the only viable centre-right party in UK politics would achieve anything other than giving the Corbyn left a clear run…”

    A) The Tory party is NOT centre right. There’s nothing Right about it whatsoever. Name one policy that they currently have that is free market, liberatarian-ish or Small State oriented.

    B) Just because the Tory party ceases to exist does not mean that all the people who currently vote for it (mainly for fear of the likes of Corbyn et al, no-one actively wanted the current bunch of twats, they were just less unappealing prospect than the bunch of SWP-ites masquerading as the Labour Party) will disappear.They’ll not suddenly want to vote for a socialist UK.

    C) Sometimes there has to be a catastrophe for something better to emerge. At the moment we have a mildly leftist social democratic technocrat government that is getting brickbats from the Left for being Baby Eating Free Market Capitalist Bastards. And because they are not BEFMCBs we are getting all the disadvantages of having a Big State Nanny Knows Best government and none of the advantages of having a BEFMCB government, while Free Market Bastardry gets given all the responsibility for the Big State failures. Regard the Grenfell Tower disaster – a State created fiasco from start to finish, yet somehow free market bastardry gets the blame.

    If we are going to have socialism (and we pretty much have it today bar one or two property owning concessions) then lets have it properly and let them fuck everything up royally, and quickly. Rather than fuck everything up slowly while tarring free markets with causing all the slow descent in penury and social chaos.

  22. Amen.

    I’m not young. I have stuff to lose.

    But let’s get on with it: there’s a fight long in the offing, and we’ve turned the other cheek to long.

  23. Edward – you say the Tories are worse than Labour.
    The voters disagree.

    3 elections in a row the Conservatives have won more seats than any other single party.

    Whether you like them or not they appear here to stay.

    If they lose an election they become the opposition to Labour government. Who else could be the opposition? SNP with a few dozen MPs and focus on one part of the UK? Lib dems with 12 MPs? No.

    Just change the minds of say 12 million voters…. easier said than done.

  24. “the only feasible way of moving the electorate rightward is by moving the Conservative party rightward. ”
    That, Theo, is frankly risible. The majority of the electorate are right of the Tory Party. Half of Labour voters are right of the Tory Party. The Tory Party leads to nowhere.

  25. The tragedy of British politics is not so much that the Liberals were marginalised by Labour, but that it wasn’t the Tories that got the treatment.

    It was the Liberals that moved Britain forward, not the bunch of protectionist, self-interested twats on the other side. (In those days, of course, “liberal” and “progressive” weren’t synonyms for “wanker”).

    Yes, they’ve won 3 elections in a row, however Jim’s BEFMCB rant is horribly correct. Mrs May: stop fucking apologising.

  26. bis,

    The majority may be to the right of the Tories on social issues, but they appear to be charging leftwards, lemming like, economically.

  27. We don’t need to change the minds of 12 million, Martin. I’m content permanently to deprive the Tories of a majority.

    And anyway, in what sense can you recall them opposing Labour? A great chunk of the country seems ignorant of what a return to the 70s would mean. That ignorance has grown up because the Tories have allowed it.

  28. Indeed Mr Lud. In my original comment, I pointed out it was specifically big business tax avoidance that was being said to be immoral. And the prevalent notion that big business itself is immoral.
    And what have the Tories done to challenge this belief? SFA. More like they’ve endorsed it. In their misguided search for electoral appeal they’ve embraced every bit of socialism going. BiND says the electorate is right on social issues but headed left on economic. Is it any surprise? What other alternative are they offered? The best you can say about the Tories is they’re economically apologetic.

  29. Ecksy/Luddy/Jim et al

    I read your responses and all I can discern is inchoate rage. There’s not much analysis and no strategy. “Those who the gods wish to destroy they first drive mad.”

  30. One would have thought the strategy was obvious. First get the Tory Party out of the the way. Then get on with saving the country. Second cannot be achieved without the first. Tory party is part of the problem, not a solution.

  31. Said this before the last election. it’s a contest between a bunch of incompetent cvnts & a bunch of marginally less incompetent cvnts. The marginally less cvnts won.
    The reason Labour prospers is the alternative is almost equally dire. Something different is needed. And not a bunch of troughers scrabbling amongst themselves for a place at the trough.

  32. The constituency MP for the last place I lived in the UK is a fine example of what’s wrong with the Tory Party. Happens I’ve known him personally for a very long time. He was a lazy fat useless cvnt then & I’ve no reason to believe he’s other than a lazy even fatter useless cvnt now. His sole attribute is his family connections. Despite this, he’s had a successful & no doubt remunerative political career in his safe Conservative seat. Even been a minister. Fortunately for him, as he’d be fuck all use for anything else.
    A political party that provides grazing rights to people like him represents nothing but its own uselessness.

  33. Yarp, the Tories are unreformable. As Mr in Spain puts it: get the Tories out of the way.

    In my view this can be done by permanently depriving them of a majority.

  34. “I read your responses and all I can discern is inchoate rage. There’s not much analysis and no strategy. “Those who the gods wish to destroy they first drive mad.””

    When you have a building that has sinking foundations and was shoddily built to boot, the best thing you can do is raze it to the ground and build a new one from scratch.

    Sometimes things can’t be fixed in their current state and you need to reboot and start again.

  35. And what is your plan Theo?

    You who still pay for the twats while knowing that buys you all the influence of a cork bobbing around mid-Atlantic.

    I hate BluLabour and the FFC to be sure. But I am not adverse to something being salvaged from the Tories if it can be.

    But it can’t–and you can’t–despite all your claims of everybody else being all about feelz–even so much as name the beginning of a plan to save your crew. Beyond vagueness itself in the form of “everybody moves Rightwards”.

  36. I’ve moved from despair to anger with the Conservative party. It lacks vision and leadership, and I don’t just mean May, it permeates through both wings of the party. It’s got itself so far up its own arse over the EU that it’s forgotten there’s a country to run and a Labour Party to challenge.

    I’m reminded of the late ‘60s and early ‘70s when they were also rudderless. Unless they’ve got some clear thinkers with drive in the latest intakes the may not die but they’re going to be comatose for a long time.

    The first thing they could do is get rid of the clown king Johnson. That he’s so popular with the membership that it appears he can’t be sacked and can continue his buffoonery on the publc stage speaks volumes about the makeup of the party.

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