Perhaps a lesson from the Ancient Greeks

They did work out so much after all. All that angles and triangles stuff even if the philosophers are still gnawing away at their first question, “What is -?” where “-” is whatever.

The social propriety was that a man may make an approach to a woman. She may, and almost certainly will for reasons of propriety, say no the first two times. The third approach/request is the one that gains the true answer. The Y/N answer to that third is treated as final by all.

To ask 3 times is not harrassment, oppression nor rape. It’s the sexual dance. To ask a fourth time, or to refuse to accept the third answer is somewhere along that spectrum.

There is no particular reason or three times. There is a very good reason why there is and should be some generally accepted method of conducting the sexual dance. A necessary societal agreement of the form it should take.

Which is where I think out current problems really lie. Sure, we’ve agitators screaming about stuff and all that. But underlying is that the dance steps have changed and we’ve not all got a common agreement as to what they are as yet.

What actually is sexual politesse in a world of both booty calls and also a passing comment upon looks being sexual oppression?

No, not what should such politesse be, not how would the world be better if it were. But what actually is the general agreement upon how the sexual dance is to be conducted?

14 comments on “Perhaps a lesson from the Ancient Greeks

  1. The problem is that academic feminism has a large lesbian component which sees all heterosexual relations as a disease to be cured. This trickles through into real life as the hysteria we’re seeing today about ‘rape culture’ and the various Hollywood/ political harassment cases.

    A good move would be to banish gender/ grievance studies and anyone who teaches them from all universities in the west.

  2. The social propriety was that a man may make an approach to a woman. She may, and almost certainly will for reasons of propriety, say no the first two times.

    I was somewhere lovely Up North once and walked through the main railway station. There was a young gentleman of the Vibrant Sub-Saharan variety. Who was asking every single woman who walked through the main railway station entrance.

    They did not seem best pleased.

    You know. I think I can understand that. Asking is an interesting concept. So culturally specific.

  3. What actually is sexual politesse

    Purely in linguistic terms I suspect it’s a rather prissy americanism.

  4. I believe that this idea that even asking a girl out is harassment comes from those pathetic feminist men who don’t dare approach women at all; they want to level the playing field to lose that disadvantage.

    Women want to be asked out, probably a few times before they say yes; they just don’t want to be stalked.

  5. Once, after a funeral of a relative we retired to a pub’s function room next to the church for food and drinks organised by a nephew of the deceased. There was no food, and the function room was double booked. The staff scrambled to corner off part of the bar and eventually some food turns up 30 mins later. By which time some guests had left. No big deal really for most of the guests – the drinks the important part, but straight on the case was a second year law student, quoting contract law cases at the publican and demanding compensation. There was a lot of youthful enthusiasm, righteousness, clever-dick, show off about the performance, but at the end of the day she was right. She got her compensation too, according to her dad who was an executor and informed us by note that something in order of 100 quid from the brewery was added to the estate.

    Hopefully since that time a bit of experience has taught her when to quote chapter and verse and when not to. But i go back to the fact that legally she was right. She had been taught legal principles and she was applying them to a real world scenario. I shudder to think of that same vigour being applied to feminist principles not legal ones.

  6. I was under the impression the ancient Greeks were rather keen on young boys.And didn’t ask the once.

  7. “The problem is that academic feminism has a large lesbian component which sees all heterosexual relations as a disease to be cured. ”

    And the rest of it consists of goblin-faced harridans, who, seeing as they aren’t getting any themselves, have to deny any to their sisters on the grounds of equality.

    “Who was asking every single woman who walked through the main railway station entrance.”

    He’s just taking the red pill philosophy to its logical conclusion.

  8. bloke in spain – “I was under the impression the ancient Greeks were rather keen on young boys.And didn’t ask the once.”

    It is a myth put about by later (Roman and modern) paedophiles by and large.

    Bloke in Germany – “He’s just taking the red pill philosophy to its logical conclusion.”

    Indeed. Or rather the red pill is High Trust sexually reticent White people’s effort to catch up with what he had been learning since birth. Unlimited immigration means purdah in the end.

  9. I agree with Longrider. I was watching Tucker Carlson the other day, and it struck me that no one out in the country cared about the alleged harassments he was talking about. It was all just national political theater.

  10. You are developing so many blind spots Tim that you will soon be in need of a white cane.

    Under no circs should the shite put out by cultural Marxism EVER be accepted as a new standard for society. And esp not because their media pals are trying to assert leftism as a new “standard”.

    Passing “comments”(ie ordinary old-fashioned compliments) on looks are not sexual harassment . Esp in a world where rapey imports are being given a pass by the same scum promoting alleged white wickedness.

    What is needed is a heavy punitive response to leftscum–as individuals as well as collectively-trying to hoodwink folk into believing such nonsense is the new “normal”.

  11. Sorry, Mr. Ecks, the CM have already won. More fascist pigs, though.

    Note that Matt Lauer has not been charged with anything. He has been fired over allegations.

    The Leftards have succeeded in creating a proxy legal system by creating an environment for business such that they are proxies for the government.

    Americans would never stand for a federal government that prosecuted individual harassment claims. Not their job. But they created a business environment where business must enforce same, plus myriad other rules not in statutes.

    Somehow the people believe they have a right to a pleasant work environment and can successfully sue for ‘a hostile work environment.’ Work environments are none of the federal government’s fvcking business. It could be a state issue if states choose.

    It’s all part of the strong, autocratic central government’s control of business.

    The U.S. needs to disband the 600 federal agencies who run the proxy legal system.

    (If you were educated in government schools, pls note that a strong, autocratic central government with a private economy is the definition of fascism.)

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