If you start from here you’re never going to get it right

Note: the UK has massively de-industrialised since 1979 (manufacturing is now only 10% of GDP). The White paper gives little acknowledgement of this, but why would it, this de-industrialisation is the product of successive neoliberal (Tory/Tory-lite) governments.

Manufacturing and industrial (roughly, manufacturing plus minerals and energy) output is significantly up since 1979.

What fucking deindustrialisation?

24 comments on “If you start from here you’re never going to get it right

  1. Tee hee hee

    “The site you have attempted to access is blocked because it has been categorized as a non-business related site”

    Even our IT department know that Spudda is nothing to do with business

  2. All Marxists are wedded in the 19th Century. A country’s strength is measured by how much steel it can manufacture for battleships.

  3. Well…as part of GDP is has come down from 25%c. at the end of the 70s to 10% now and employment must be vastly lower.
    When people refer to deindustrialisation I think they mean the way whole regions have been left to rot as the wage earners have been replaced as the chief beneficiaries by investors. These “left behind “people are your people Tim; the people you persuaded that if we cleansed the Nation of Brown folk all our problem s would disappear . Poor dupes, offered pie in the sky by Corbyn and racist pie on the sky by you . Shame shame shame

    If you take Vauxhall for example, it takes not much than a week for a op to start work on line . That was once a skilled job paying for holidays in Spain and nice house on one salary. I don`t think the country could have gone on with Callaghaismn or that that more state intervention might have saved us from painful adjustment, but there have been losers.
    Still; Vauxhall Nissan and et al will soon be gone now, investment has disappeared thanks to Brexit so it’s all bald men arguing about a comb anyway

    Well done Tim , well done ….

  4. According to the Ons

    The net inflow of investments into the UK rose to £119.6 billion in 2016, the highest recorded in the series history which started in 1946. The UK continued to attract inward investment after the EU referendum, with Quarter 2 (April to June) 2016 registering £171.0 billion of inward investments (the highest in just under six years). Most of this amount was attributable to direct investments and portfolio investments made in the UK

    As dishonest as DBCR. Drink more meths

  5. Snippa, surprisingly, has been involved in real manufacturing. He did set up the Trivial Pursuit manufacturing operating in Ireland, for tax dodging purposes as previously admitted.

    His manufacturing experience being gluing some paper to a board:

    “The KPI was waste – which he could measure each morning by the volume of spoiled boards discarded into skips by the night shift. “We stuck glue on the boards in the afternoon, and if any of them didn’t set right, we had to throw them out. We managed wase with absolute enthusiasm, because that would push our margins up. It was my first ever KPI and we made a lot of money with it.””

    https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/business/management-accounting/kpis-get-the-communication-right

  6. “If you take Vauxhall for example, it takes not much than a week for a op to start work on line . That was once a skilled job …”

    Skilled job?

    About as skilled as Newmania, then. Is it burgerflipping of street sweeping he does? Or just sitting in his bedroom in his underpants.

  7. FT
    Investment in the UK car industry has fallen to just £322m in the first half of 2017, in a sign that companies are delaying or cancelling spending ahead of the UK leaving the EU.

    Last year £1.66bn was invested in the auto sector, more than 30 per cent down from £2.5bn in 2015, as carmakers and their suppliers delayed non-essential investment following the EU referendum in June 2016.

    But investment looks to have fallen even further in the first six months of this year, according to figures compiled by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, an industry body.

    If the same levels of investment are seen in the second half of the year, it would bring total annual spend on the UK car industry to just £644m — nearly one-quarter of the amount invested two years ago and a sharper fall than many in the industry had expected.

  8. @ Newmania
    A production-line worker for Vauxhall in the 70s was a semi-skilled (verging on the unskilled) job. If any member of the AEU had taken such a job he would have been thrown out of the union. [One of my childhood friends was a member of the AEU, having served an apprenticeship].
    Yes, it paid for a nice house (by Luton standards) or holidays in Spain (not often both) but ICI process workers had decent houses and took their families on holiday (rarely to Spain – better taste) on a single wage so it merely shows your ignorance to claim that Vauxhall production line workers merited “skilled” status from that. Longbridge workers were massivel overpaid so *they* could afford both a nice house and holidays in Spain.

  9. One would be hard-pressed to find anyone who ever owned or drove a British-made car from the 1970s who would think it had been assembled by anyone with any skills whatsoever.

  10. Facepainter–your interest is money–your own.

    Your cod concern for ordinary folk –who you are quite happy to see being shat on by the EU so long as you are cash buoyant–marks you as an even bigger disgrace than I already thought you to be.

  11. Pretty much by definition a skilled job requires a substantial amount of time to get the hang of.

    I’ve seen actual skilled manufacturing: manual assembly of high-density radio frequency signal processing components. It took about three months to get someone up to speed and a year or more to get them fully productive. This was things like hand-soldering 0402 SMT components onto a PCB under a 25-power microscope. You didn’t just get some skiving toad from the JobCentre, sit him down and expect him to pick it up. Reworking those things if they failed acceptance test (part of my job) was a fucking nightmare.

  12. Wasn’t unemployment high in the 70s when the Left fought deindustrialisation?

    It’s low now. But somehow that is worse for the low skilled?

    But unemployment is high in France, where they “protect” their workers.

    It’s a conundrum all right!

  13. johnny bonk: Most people without coordination issues can be trained to do it very quickly though. It doesn’t need much in the way of pre-existing skills because it’s mostly muscle memory.

  14. @BICR
    When I was younger, my eyes were excellent and I had a steady hand. I was reworking small SMD discretes and 25/” SM semiconductors without a miscroscope when the fabricators couldn’t. I was nominally in the design office.

  15. From the BBC, not normally given to talking up the British economy these days

    UK manufacturing activity grew at its fastest pace in more than four years last month, according to a closely watched survey.
    The Purchasing Managers’ Index index compiled by IHS/Markit hit 58.2 in November, the best level in 51 months.
    The report said exports played a “big part” in the expansion.
    Separate official data showed that inflows of foreign investment into the UK hit a record last year, boosted by several very large takeover deals.
    The Office for National Statistics recorded inward investment of £145.6bn in 2016, up from £25.3bn in 2015.

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