This isn’t quite how I’d describe it, no

Another one bites the dust.

Today Show host Matt Lauer was fired from NBC over sexual misconduct allegations that the company says were probably not an isolated incident (Lauer’s alleged bad behavior has not been publicly described in any detail). He is only the latest in a string of high-profile men brought down by accusations of handsiness or inappropriate behavior toward female colleagues.

What’s stunning about the Lauer firing, though, is how decisively NBC acted – especially considering that Lauer is one of their marquee names, and has anchored one of their most-watched and profitable shows for two decades. The evidence for his misbehavior must be pretty solid (a video? A hot mic?), but so too must be NBC’s conviction that keeping a harasser or assailant on staff would be financial and reputational suicide.

This is new. And it’s a feminist victory.

Today Show co-host Savannah Guthrie captured what so many women feel when men we like, admire, or love commit harassment or assault.

D’ye see that little leap? From allegation to commit. And this is a victory? Denunciations lead to the loss of job and career?

That’s really not a societal victory because we’re not going to enjoy a society where denunciation alone does lead to that.

23 comments on “This isn’t quite how I’d describe it, no

  1. That is not a popular view Tim.

    The idea that its a very bad idea to help out bullshit Marxian femmi-panics by celebrating males being rousted without even a chance to defend themselves. Just because leftist pricks are in the firing line.

    After all there’s no way that could twist around to bite other , non-leftist men in the arse is there?

  2. Mr. Ecks, non-leftist men have already been in the firing line. For far too long now.

    This is just holding the other side up to their own set of rules. Fuck ’em and let’s bask in the schadenfreude.

  3. Such is the popular view Henry.

    I suggest you get a good stock of Savlon in . To treat the bite marks–cos they will be arriving at some point.

  4. Lauer’s alleged bad behavior has not been publicly described in any detail

    It has now. Variety magazine has pages on it:

    As the co-host of NBC’s “Today,” Matt Lauer once gave a colleague a sex toy as a present. It included an explicit note about how he wanted to use it on her, which left her mortified.

    On another day, he summoned a different female employee to his office, and then dropped his pants, showing her his penis. After the employee declined to do anything, visibly shaken, he reprimanded her for not engaging in a sexual act.

    He would sometimes quiz female producers about who they’d slept with, offering to trade names. And he loved to engage in a crass quiz game with men and women in the office: “f—, marry, or kill,” in which he would identify the female co-hosts that he’d most like to sleep with.

    Despite being married, Lauer was fixated on women, especially their bodies and looks, according to more than 10 accounts from current and former employees. He was known for making lewd comments verbally or over text messages. He once made a suggestive reference to a colleague’s performance in bed and compared it to how she was able to complete her job, according to witnesses to the exchange. For Lauer, work and sex were intertwined.

    His office was in a secluded space, and he had a button under his desk that allowed him to lock his door from the inside without getting up. This afforded him the assurance of privacy. It allowed him to welcome female employees and initiate inappropriate contact while knowing nobody could walk in on him, according to two women who were sexually harassed by Lauer.

    Leaving aside Mr Eck’s often justified skepticism of these sexual harassment claims, if these are true it this looks like another case of everyone knew for decades but nobody said anything.

  5. Tim N

    if these are true it this looks like another case of everyone knew for decades but nobody said anything

    Conspiracy of silence? As was commented on a previous post – does this mean the sexually harassed are complicit in the sexual harassment of other women by not reporting it and thus accessories after the fact?

  6. All uncouth yobbish behaviour but not sexual assault. Indeed –was he warned at any time, told to cut it out or he would be out? What are all the shite-useless HR crew being paid for in these organisations? He should have been got rid of by disciplinary procedures long ago–or had to change his ways if he was keen to stay.

    He should not be sacked on the spot because femmi-panic. By management pricks who should have dealt with all this at a lower level long before now.

    The above is of course assuming that some of these claims are even true. Because tall tales by the bucket load are the main product of a femmi-created panic. Read the Leeds hospital” report” bullshit about Savile . HP Lovecraft was not a greater savant of weird fantasy than the accounts enclosed therein.

    As for the door-locking button–well if you suddenly heard gunfire in your building I bet you’d be glad to have a quick-locking door. Are we really supposed to absorb some fantasy that he could lock women in with him, assault/rape them and then let them out and continue with his day as if nothing happened? The door might have been used for sexual purposes. If some of the women said yes to his requests and the door prevented interruptions.

  7. What are all the shite-useless HR crew being paid for in these organisations?

    A question you may very well ask in practically any large organisation. The whole justification for having dozens of useless, overpaid HR powerskirts in corner offices forcing the drones to submit to endless compliance training is that it stops the company being sued for serious breach of employee conduct.

    Then we find senior figures were shagging half the staff and getting their dicks out to the other half.

  8. The only real winner in this (beyond, perhaps, some female staffers at NBC) is Donald Trump. Especially given the details published in Vanity Fair, it is only a matter of time before heads roll in the executive suites of NBC. Andy Lack is a dead man walking.

    Donald Trump has been claiming since Day One that the mainstream media is corrupt, dishonest and depraved. He is being proved right on a daily basis. How is anyone even remotely connected to Lauer and NBC going to see as credible when they attempt to disparage Trump for his behavior?

  9. As for the door-locking button–well if you suddenly heard gunfire in your building I bet you’d be glad to have a quick-locking door. Are we really supposed to absorb some fantasy that he could lock women in with him, assault/rape them and then let them out and continue with his day as if nothing happened? The door might have been used for sexual purposes. If some of the women said yes to his requests and the door prevented interruptions.

    Someone’s off his meds. Again.

  10. I wonder in these cases what goes through the minds of any women that did willingly sleep with him and enjoyed it.

    Fear of being denounced as non-denouncers?

  11. Been drinking the gun oil again Dennis?

    HTF does Trump benefit from this farce? The Alt-Right Hall of Fame going to be offered jobs as the new management of NBC are they?

    The “disgraced” leftists will be replaced by less colourful leftists and they will continue their dirty work. With the added black eye handed out to all men by the latest wave of hysteria.

    Would that Trump was as active against Mueller and the CIA etc as he is on Twitter. 2000 marines descending on Langley to arrest the leadership should have been a lot more than a just a rumour.

  12. An employer generally has the right to terminate an employee when the evidence seems sufficient. Lauer undoubtedly has an employment contract which would mean he was not an “at will” employee, as is common in the US, but surely it had a “moral turpitude” clause. There is a difference between an employer taking action based on an allegation that they clearly believed vs the higher standard of proof and evidence you’d expect if the authorities chose to prosecute someone.

  13. Tommydog–The key is what constitutes evidence–and why did the claims–floating around long before now –gain no apparent interest? Only now when a panic is on, some woman formally accuses and they call him in and say “Some woman has accused you and we’ve heard a few rumours already–so fuck off”.

    Whatever his contract there should be some kind of due process in place just in case the woman might be–oh I dunno–telling a load of lies. Women never do that of course but just in case.

    Not that I care about some lousy leftist. But if they can dispose of him as they seem to have done–then the same threat would hang over any man employed anywhere near a woman.

  14. HTF does Trump benefit from this farce?

    The further lessening of mainstream media credibility.

    Duh.

    If NBC has no credibility, then whether Lauer is replaced by a flaming Trot or an unrepentant Neo-Nazi doesn’t really matter, does it? It will have no meaningful impact on the nation’s political discourse because the vast majority of people will have come to the conclusion that whomever is hired is not to be trusted.

    That should be obvious.

  15. @ Rob
    +1
    Maybe he should have converted to Islam or the ultramontane version of Mormonism and had a series of younger wives as the first one grew older and less attractive/enthusiastic?

  16. Mr Ecks,
    Yes, there is some sort of panic going on. These things happen. Like the wave of daily shark attacks of several years ago. However, I’ve been in business long enough to know that some men are real jerks. Not all of course. Probably a small minority. But they are out there.

    I suspect Lauer leaves with a good chunk of change in his pocket, and whatever due process rights he has to request an examination of the evidence are probably spelled out in his contract. He may well have decided not to pursue them if the 1) the golden parachute was too much to risk giving up, or 2) he knew the allegations were true.

    Who knows, but as an American I know that you can generally be let go for any reason in the US, unless there is a contract or union agreement in place. If the former, usually you can still dismiss someone but there might be costs involved.

  17. ‘So here we are at this watershed moment in the nationwide fight against sexual harassment and discrimination. Brave women in every corner of the country and every industry are making their voices heard. As Members of Congress, we have a moral duty to show real effective leadership to foster a climate of respect and dignity in the workplace with absolutely zero tolerance for harassment, discrimination, or abuse. Anything less is unacceptable, my colleagues.’

    The Wicked Witch of the West, Nancy Pelosi.

    ‘Brave women in every corner of the country and every industry are making their voices heard.’

    This would be a lie if Nancy had a brain. The women have been silent for decades. POS cowards. Only NOW, in the media and pop culture frenzie, do they speak up. IT’S AN EMBARRASSMENT!

    Ms Pelosi, as Members of Congress, the ‘climate’ in the workplace is none of your fvcking business. The Federal government has no charter to get involved. So STFU.

    ‘The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.’ –
    H. L. Mencken

    Nancy is playing up sexual harassment as a national crisis, hoping to take advantage of it (it’s not a problem; it’s an opportunity!). It is not a NATIONAL issue; it is none of the Federal government’s business.

  18. This is just a preference cascade. As for whether Lauer deserved the can: yes, absolutely. He is an utter shit and a really solid hoofing in the bollocks is what he really needs. If you jump out of the bushes and wave your bits at a random woman then you will be prosecuted if they catch you. You don’t (or shouldn’t) get a free pass if instead you’re a mega-rich teleprompter reader and you do the same thing to a female producer after hitting the electronic deadbolt on your office door.

    Will some babies go out with the bathwater? Perhaps. I still think on net this is still worse for the Left than in general.

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