This is interesting, isn’t it?

The man who could be Germany’s vice-chancellor within weeks on Thursday called for the European Union to transform itself into a “United States of Europe”.

Martin Schulz, the leader of the German Social Democratic Party (SPD), called for a new federal constitution for the EU by 2025.

Hours before his party voted to open talks on forming a new coalition with the beleaguered Angela Merkel, Mr Schulz made clear he would demand radical EU reform and far deeper integration than previously envisaged as his price for ending weeks of political crisis in Germany.

“I want a new constitutional treaty to establish the United States of Europe. A Europe that is no threat to its member states, but a beneficial addition,” he said in a speech to his party conference.

Under Mr Schulz’s proposals, Brussels would be given power over individual member states’ foreign and domestic policy, as well as taxes.

Countries who refuse to sign up to a new federal Europe should automatically lose their EU membership, he said.

How large will the EU be in 2026?

Still, a nice reminder that Brexit isn’t about leaving a free trade area, it’s about leaving the EU to come.

23 comments on “This is interesting, isn’t it?

  1. A possible answer to Brexit – stay in, refuse to sign up to a federal state and be expelled automatically.

  2. A Europe that is no threat to its member states, but a beneficial addition

    Brussels would be given power over individual member states’ foreign and domestic policy, as well as taxes

    I suppose Europe is less of a threat to its member states if it becomes the member state…

  3. And the idiot Irish politicians still kowtow to Brussels. They aren’t going to be the ones suffering when the EU wide tax rate is set at 30 % and all the multinational tax paying companies up sticks.

  4. To answer your question Tim:

    ‘How large is the EU going to be in 2026?’

    I think from recollection they are entertaining 4 new countries coming in – Albania, Bosnia, Macedonia and Montenegro. Accession arrangements remain in place for Norway, Sitzerland and Iceland if they decide they want a piece of the pie.

    There is of course the issue that the coming collapse of Algeria, the crisis with existing migrant flows and the Eurozone crisis will cause the EU itself to fail before 2026 but you won’t hear that mentioned in ‘the mainstream media’

  5. john77

    +1

    It is an imperial project. It’s just surprising that those who are so keen on Remain also tend to be the ones who believe there is nothing good to be said about colonialism.

  6. Although I think that rather than the oriental Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, Schultz has a more European version in mind. Gentlemen, I give you the Holy Roman Empire Mk.II

  7. @van_pattern “if they want a piece of the pie” ; the problem being there is no pie any more. Countries weren’t joining because of some ideal, but because they thought they’d get free money out of it. especially in the East. It’ll be fascinating to see what happens in the case of the demands to take more “refugees” in

  8. With a bit of luck the SPD will agree coalition talks with the CDU/CSU on these terms. The AfD will become the official opposition party in the Federal Republic which will provide a radical and conspicuous source of dissenting opinion at the heart of the EU.

    Plenty of member states will not be willing to go down this path – Denmark, the Netherlands and the Visegrad Four perhaps – and the internal ructions all of this will cause can only be good news for Brexit.

    After today’s disappointing news of “sufficient progress”, this is quite encouraging.

  9. Countries who refuse to sign up to a new federal Europe should automatically lose their EU membership, he said.

    Und – uberraschung! Refusal isn’t an option, kamrad. Technically, Ireland had the right to refuse the European Constitution.

    Odds on Schulzy’s plan involving simply stripping recalcitrant member states of their rights until they give the correct answer?

  10. Under Mr Schulz’s proposals, Brussels would be given power over individual member states’ foreign and domestic policy, as well as taxes.

    More of this please.

  11. Indeed. For all the wailing from Remainers that they didn’t know what “leave” meant, at the time of the vote we also didn’t know what “remain” meant. Now we’re finding out.

  12. And the idiot Irish politicians still kowtow to Brussels. They aren’t going to be the ones suffering when the EU wide tax rate is set at 30 % and all the multinational tax paying companies up sticks.

    Fuck ’em. Let the Irish pay the price for this 100-year old chip on their shoulder they simply won’t let go of. If they want to vote in a man who hates Britain and loves the EU that much, they can wear the consequences. I think we’re done pandering to Ireland.

  13. I wondered what the neighbours thought. I heard Schulz’s speech and he mentioned that he didn’t want the Europe “of the ridiculous regulations” I started shouting “lying c*nt” at the telly. How many have the Parliament passed then ? And then the rest about the new glorious Empire by 2025… fucking ginger beardie fucking kinnock soundalike…gurgle… froth… choke…

  14. ‘Countries who refuse to sign up to a new federal Europe should automatically lose their EU membership, he said.’

    Be careful what you wish for.

    I can envision a mess where they lose enough members that corridors no longer exist between member states, like Portugal in/Spain out.

    I note that it took 187 years for federalism to die in the now fascist United States. It will take less than a generation in the new, improved EU II. A triumph of the persistent.

  15. Under Mr Schulz’s proposals, Brussels would be given power over individual member states’ foreign and domestic policy, as well as taxes.

    So the lyrics for my WWIII songs should be things like “Onward to the Berlaymont”? I wonder who owns the copyright to the Horst-Wessel-Lied.

  16. If there is a Third European War, could we just stay out of it this time, and sell munitions to both sides?

  17. Jim,

    Under the Shulz plan it would be a civil war and not a “world war”. AIUI under most international conventions that would mean we couldn’t legally get involved even if we wanted to.

    I think selling arms to both sides is acceptable, we just need to make sure we keep our arms industry intact, and maybe grow it, after Brexit.

  18. One of the justifications Schultz gave for this EU power grab was to halt increasing euroscepticism and the increase in votes for anti-EU parties.

    EU Parliament & Commission are in favour of a law withholding all payments (inc allowance, wages, expenses) to anti-EU parties such as UKIP & AfD.

    Will Germany be the first EU country to force anti-EU party voters to wear a yellow star?

  19. “Under Mr Schulz’s proposals, Brussels would be given power over individual member states’ foreign and domestic policy”

    I’m confused. “Foreign” being all which is “non domestic”? Is that what he is actually suggesting? Brussels having complete and total power over member states? Not even the USA does that with the 50? We have moved on.

    EU Steve / Remainiac – any comment at all? Do you still want to deny what is taking place? Pretend it’s really still just a happy clappy free trade area, and that Signor Schulzie is just “playing for the goblins” (be careful now, your bosses may be listening).

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