Interesting how the remit expands

Children will be taught about transgender issues as part of compulsory sex and relationship education classes, the Department for Education has confirmed as it launches a call for evidence today.

As Sir Pterry pointed out the basis of education is lies to children. Something close enough to the truth cut up into the right sized chunks and stories that can be inserted into simple minds. We really don’t try to tell 5 years olds about quantum, 6 year olds about the left SA nor 7 year olds calculus.

Babies come from Tab A into Slot A is a useful enough start. That for 0.001%* of the population Jenny used to be John might be one of those more complex points left until a little later.

*No, I dunno either but operations are in the hundreds a year I think?

37 comments on “Interesting how the remit expands

  1. Our social world must be radically changed to accommodate the demands and propaganda of a tiny minority of narcissistic neurotics and mentally ill perverts, because nobody – ever – must experience discrimination or have less than equal liberty.

  2. I remember there was much fuss when I as a student about Labour scrapping something called Section 8, which was something the Tories brought in and forbade “promoting homosexuality in schools”. Everyone thought this Section 8 was a travesty, but I couldn’t for the life of me understand why promoting homosexuality in schools could ever be deemed a good thing. And I still can’t. And here we are.

  3. Bloke in Germany – “It’s slot C, innit?”

    Only if you describe a piece of the lower intestine as a slot. Heavily modified and moved by very expensive surgery it can serve as such I suppose.

    They need to recruit because, obviously, they do not breed. Hence the changes to sex education. The frog is slowly being boiled. The real question is the end game. What sort of frog-based soup do they have in mind? The new hate crime is, naturally, to refuse to date or otherwise sleep with the transsexual. It will probably be a crime soon. People are making the case already.

    As I keep saying, either they are in jail or we all will be.

  4. Pre-teens need exicit sex education, including tram gender issues. And by the time they’re 16 we should accept they’re old enough to vote, that their vote is worth the same as mine and that they should be ‘listened to’. They remain, however, far too vulnerable to be trusted with a relationship with their teacher, who must go to prison of he/she breaks this golden rule.

    Strange world

  5. Ironman – “Pre-teens need exicit sex education, including tram gender issues.”

    Hey, leave Thomas and his friends alone! No need to bring sex education into children’s TV programmes as well.

  6. Sorry SMFS, I obviously meant “Slot V”. I mean, they are right next to each other* 😉

    *:On the keyboard, of course.

  7. TimN,

    It was Section 28, and it was in response to what was considered a lot of proselytising. Even so it was a bit OTT.

  8. As I’ve said many times–May is femmi-marxist BluLab shite. She could squash the SCS on this easily–had she the wish to do so and/or the balls of a gnat.

  9. Bloke in North Dorset – “Even so it was a bit OTT.”

    Not as over the top of something I just thought of. No one was prosecuted that I know of. I am pretty sure most parents were mildly supportive. In retrospect the law seems amazingly foresighted in view of what we have.

    The problem was really that we did not send a whole bunch of people away for twenty years. Or at least fired them.

  10. Am I misreading “Tab A into Slot A” as being the transformation of the same person?

    [ducks, gets coat]

  11. “8 hours of a thread containing the word ‘transgender’ and nothing from NiV. Is xe on Winterval?”

    No. I was busy with something else. I’ll get around to it shortly.

  12. Thank you all for your patience. 🙂

    “Children will be taught about transgender issues as part of compulsory sex and relationship education classes”

    Yes, they’ll also be taught about marriage as part of the same set of lessons, many years before they’re allowed to get married. So?

    Kids need to know what stuff is. Very few of them will ever be personally affected by lions and tigers, or the planet Jupiter, or Henry VIII’s dissolution of the monasteries – they still get taught about them.

    It’s part of the national conversation, and even if they don’t know anyone in the 1% affected, or are a member of the 1% themselves, they still need to know what daddy is ranting and raving and going blue in the face for every night on the internet.

    “We really don’t try to tell 5 years olds about quantum, 6 year olds about the left SA nor 7 year olds calculus.”

    Why not? Quantum is easy enough to explain; Sir Pterry talked about it all the time. Most people seem to pick up everything they need to know about that from TV sci fi, anyway. And most kids do calculus, although they don’t call it that. Slopes and gradients and speeds are not difficult, and I remember doing numerical integration by counting squares under a curve when I was about eight or nine.

    The words have been given a scary reputation in the culture, and of course the deeply technical *details* can get complicated, but the concepts themselves are relatively simple. You don’t need to explain the Navier-Stokes equation to talk to a six year old about how aeroplanes fly.

    “That for 0.001%* of the population Jenny used to be John might be one of those more complex points left until a little later.”

    It’s not complex. It’s just taboo.

    “No, I dunno either but operations are in the hundreds a year I think?”

    Just goes to show who wasn’t paying attention in class! We covered this last week!

    (I’d guess somebody has noticed that it’s a topic the previous generation of adults are appallingly ignorant about, so they figured they’d better add it to the curriculum.)

    Gender dysphoria is estimated to affect about 1%. SRS about 0.04%. And the obsessive need to endlessly keep on bringing the subject up over and over again affects about 100% of the hosts on this blog…

  13. “Everyone thought this Section 8 was a travesty, but I couldn’t for the life of me understand why promoting homosexuality in schools could ever be deemed a good thing. And I still can’t. And here we are.”

    Sex and relationship education (SRE) is compulsory from age 11 onwards. It involves teaching children about reproduction, sexuality and sexual health. It doesn’t promote early sexual activity or any particular sexual orientation.

    Some parts of sex and relationship education are compulsory – these are part of the national curriculum for science. Parents can withdraw their children from all other parts of sex and relationship education if they want.

    https://www.gov.uk/national-curriculum/other-compulsory-subjects

  14. NiV – “Yes, they’ll also be taught about marriage as part of the same set of lessons, many years before they’re allowed to get married. So?”

    Most of them will get married. Essentially none of them will be Gay much less transsexual. So there is no point in smuggling propaganda disguised as sex ed when it is irrelevant.

    “Kids need to know what stuff is. Very few of them will ever be personally affected by lions and tigers, or the planet Jupiter, or Henry VIII’s dissolution of the monasteries – they still get taught about them.”

    On the contrary, they need to know all of those things because they do come up on a regular basis. Not that any school children learn about the dissolution of the monasteries but if they did, they would because it is central to this Island’s story and our national identity. They do not need to learn that transsexuals are, like, totally cool and they are bigots if they do not bend over and take it like a man from any passing pervert. Because essentially there are no Gay people in the UK and even fewer transsexuals.

    “You don’t need to explain the Navier-Stokes equation to talk to a six year old about how aeroplanes fly.”

    Except we lie even to undergraduates about how aeroplanes fly because it is too hard.

    “It’s not complex. It’s just taboo.”

    It is taboo for a reason but the idiotic rules we now have for even discussing these freakshows means it is complex.

    “Gender dysphoria is estimated to affect about 1%. SRS about 0.04%.”

    So essentially no one.

    “And the obsessive need to endlessly keep on bringing the subject up over and over again affects about 100% of the hosts on this blog…”

    So we should shut the f**k up about it because it is so rare but every child should be forced to learn about it because it is not rare at all? Well done there. Well done.

    We should return to a policy of putting transsexuals in mental asylums where they can hurt neither themselves or anyone else. And they certainly cannot prey on children.

  15. I would suggest that the ‘me too’ campaign has arisen because the original ‘victims’ have been pushed further and further down the hierarchy of victimhood. The ‘trans’ community are currently top of the victimhood tree and women are now right down the bottom, barely above the ghastly white Hetero male of the species. Perhaps this is all a dastardly patriarchal plot to displace women from their rightful privileges?

  16. “Most of them will get married. Essentially none of them will be Gay much less transsexual. So there is no point in smuggling propaganda disguised as sex ed when it is irrelevant.”

    Nobody’s trying. It’s just sex-ed.

    “On the contrary, they need to know all of those things because they do come up on a regular basis.”

    The topic comes up here every couple of weeks, sometimes two or three times a week.

    “Except we lie even to undergraduates about how aeroplanes fly because it is too hard.”

    As Timmy says, you start with Lies-to-Children, and gradually expand as they become more capable of understanding. However, understanding on an everyday, non-medical level what a transgender person is doesn’t take undergraduate level vector calculus. It’s a misleading analogy analogy.

    “It is taboo for a reason but the idiotic rules we now have for even discussing these freakshows means it is complex.”

    It’s taboo because of outdated cultural traditions that have been handed down since Moses the Slayer set up his theocracy. Porn and prostitution still have a far lower social acceptability, for much the same reasons. It’s not that long ago that atheism was seen as morally unacceptable – it still carries the death penalty in 14 countries.

    And yes, it’s complicated to talk about because there are now *two* sets of people whose cultural sensitivities have to be taken into account. Yours and theirs. If I say the wrong thing here, you all complain about the unacceptability of what I say. I’m breaking the “idiotic rules” you have for even discussing the subject.

    The topic itself is not complex. But it’s been a taboo topic since Moses, and dealing with such “idiotic rules” about what you’re allowed to say and what opinions you’re allowed to hold is complicated.

    “So we should shut the f**k up about it because it is so rare but every child should be forced to learn about it because it is not rare at all? Well done there. Well done.”

    Personally, I quite enjoy discussing it, and I take it from the fact that the topic keeps on coming up with monotonous regularity that you do too.I’m not telling you to shut up about it. I’m just pointing it out when you say things about it that are untrue. It’s the same sort of thing as when people go over to Richard Murphy’s site and keep on pointing it out when *he’s* wrong about stuff. He gets annoyed, too.

    But *we* don’t try to live in an echo chamber. People arguing with us are welcome – however, if they expect to last long in any arguments they need to bring evidence.

    “We should return to a policy of putting transsexuals in mental asylums where they can hurt neither themselves or anyone else. And they certainly cannot prey on children.”

    That’s the anger talking. And it’s the sort of demand that helps the SJWs prove their case about the right.


    “NiV, I think you must be confusing the commenters on this blog with people who actually give a shit.”

    You obviously do, or you wouldn’t keep talking about it all the time, and arguing with me for hours on end. 🙂

    If you don’t want to discuss it, don’t discuss it.

    “Then why all the fuss over Section 28? That’s a rhetorical question.”

    To give a rhetorical answer, the fuss over section 28 is obviously why they felt the need to make clear they’re not promoting any particular sexuality. here.

    If you’re rhetorically asking why people made a fuss in the first place, then I’d say it was for the same reason Mary Whitehouse made a fuss about the ‘smut’ on TV. Because it was against the rules she had been brought up with, and she wanted her version of the rules to continue to be enforced on everyone else.

    (Did you know that when asked the question “How wrong do you personally think it is for an adult (18 or over) to watch pornography at home, or is it not wrong at all?” on a scale of 1-7, 13% of the British population surveyed chose 7 “Always wrong”? The Mary Whitehouse attitude certainly hasn’t gone away.)

    People’s sexuality is hard-wired, anyway, and can’t be changed by any amount of propaganda or promotion. The sex-ed is just about explaining what it is, and what the law says about discriminating against or mistreating other people because they’re different.

  17. “People’s sexuality is hard-wired, anyway, and can’t be changed by any amount of propaganda or promotion. The sex-ed is just about explaining what it is, and what the law says about discriminating against or mistreating other people because they’re different.”

    What’s wrong with people learning through the process of life? Are you afraid they’ll make “mistakes?”

  18. “What’s wrong with people learning through the process of life? Are you afraid they’ll make “mistakes?””

    Are you saying we should get rid of the education system altogether?

  19. @NiV, December 20, 2017 at 1:55 pm

    Are you saying we should get rid of the education system altogether?

    Yes. Then replace with one where children must read, write and solve arithmetic problems and basic geometry, algebra, statistics & trigonometry problems is only priority before expanding curriculum.

  20. “Yes. Then replace with one where children must read, write and solve arithmetic problems and basic geometry, algebra, statistics & trigonometry problems is only priority before expanding curriculum.”

    Well, I’d have certainly enjoyed that! “Yay! Sextuple-maths again today! fifth time this week!” Not sure many of my classmates would have, though.

  21. @NiV, December 20, 2017 at 11:24 pm

    The “children must read, write and solve arithmetic problems and basic geometry, algebra, statistics & trigonometry problems is only priority before expanding curriculum.”

    Was the curriculum in Prep school I attended with once per week “Art” and PE. P1-P3 – nothing else. P4-P7 Chemistry & Physics then History & Geography were introduced.

    Beavers, Cubs and Scouts taught the practical skills with reward of badges; lots of fun too with British Bulldogs always last activity.

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