Voluntary isn’t voluntary then, eh?

Sugary drinks will be banned from hospital cafes, the NHS has warned as it revealed a third of trusts have failed to voluntarily remove them.

NHS England said that hospitals and suppliers would face an outright ban if they failed to follow the current scheme to reduce sales of sugary drinks to 10 per cent or less of all drinks sold.

The ban would be introduced at the start of July if more trusts do not sign up to the scheme by the end of March.

21 comments on “Voluntary isn’t voluntary then, eh?

  1. I wonder if the recent devolution means NHS Greater Manchester and Andy Burnham can tell NHS England to go swivel on my middle finger. Or was that devolved spending only.

  2. Like the Mafia who give you 24 hours to pay up. Payment is voluntary in those 24 hours.

    What next, bag searches?

    Possibly, accompanied by articles in the Guardian crying about a lack of “frontline resources”.

  3. Fruit smoothies are just as effective at raising blood sugar.
    as sucrose sweetened fizzy drinks. Why aren’t they includedin the interests of consistency? Diet fizzy drinks raise incidence of diabetes type2 via cephalic response ie insulin secreted because they taste sweet, so they’re also out. The target is not the dietary choices of the middle class even if equally deleterious.

  4. Looks like the drinks suppliers near to hospitals will do a roaring trade then.
    I cheated, I got my wife to bring the pop in.

  5. Will the NHS adopt the new PHE calorie targets as well which Chris Snowdon wrote about and Timmy referred to yesterday?

    The modern way to treat people is to make sure they are miserable, undernourished and generally neglected by degree certificated nurses.

    Envy of the world.

  6. Purge NHS England.

    Simples.

    Oh and ensure that although they are being fired sans compo and pension, each of them gets a large bottle of Coke–free– on their way out the door.

    We’re not monsters after all.

  7. Let me introduce the NHS to a simple concept – let me call it the Eric Garner rule.

    Garner was, as some people might remember, a morbidly fat New Yorker of the Vibrant persuasion, who was selling single cigarettes on the street. In “liberal” New York this is a crime. So when he was arrested, he resisted, and in the course of the struggle, his heart gave out and he died.

    So the Garner rule is simple – if you do not intend to kill people for breaking whatever stupid rule you are trying to impose, do not impose the rule.

    Is the NHS serious? Do they intend their guards to beat the cr@p out of someone’s nephew if he tries to smuggle a Yorkie bar in to a hospital? If so, fine. Let’s see them spin that. If not, do not impose the damn rule.

  8. “The modern way to treat people is to make sure they are miserable, undernourished and generally neglected by degree certificated nurses.”

    A nurse came to my bed with a foil of 5 mg pills, a foil of 2.5 mg and a foil of 1.25 mg. She couldn’t work out how to follow the instruction to give me a 3.75 mg dose. Envy of the World!

    Also, the last time I was in hospital the only nurse who seem prepared to spread some talc on my arse was a brusque lass from South Africa. The locals, and the other imports, did not wish to lower themselves to that sort of nursing. It’s not often one gets a chance to say a kind word about a Safra, is it?

  9. Wouldn’t happen in a private hospital. Because it’s a Socialist Health Service they can boss us about.

  10. “The target is not the dietary choices of the middle class even if equally deleterious.”

    See also minimum alcohol pricing.

    “Beer is ok then? That’s a relief.”

    It used to be prescribed for certain conditions. I remember my father being given a nightly bottle of Makeson when in was in hospital for a lung biopsy (late ’70s or early ’80s). The alternatives were Guinness or Jubilee Stout.

  11. A small can of Guinness used to be provided for blood donors, too. There was a belief that stout was beneficial for the mildly anaemic (for pregnant women, as well, IIRC).

  12. I’ll ask my mother next time I talk to her whether the “Guinness is good for expectant mums” was actually a thing. I seem to remember she mentioned having the occasional one for medicinal purposes while she was carrying me but that might be a false memory. It was supposed to be the iron and B vitamins, if I recall, although Marmite on toast would do just as well.

  13. @Smithy, December 28, 2017 at 5:30 pm

    Wouldn’t happen in a private hospital. Because it’s a Socialist Health Service they can boss us about.

    In most private hospitals patient may have wine with their meal.

  14. @Bloke in Costa Rica, December 28, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    I’ll ask my mother next time I talk to her whether the “Guinness is good for expectant mums” was actually a thing.

    It was for my mother in 1960s; GP advise was to drink a few bottles per week. Same post-natal as a tonic.

  15. Separately, “Obesity, Poverty Help Explain Higher Diabetes Rates for Blacks” – as a Reuters story is headlined at Newsmax. It makes Tim’s chronic point that we don’t measure poverty but inequality, as even the US’s poor find it easy to get fat. (Even easier as a stranger is paying.) A separate point is that culture matters, and not all cultures are equally good at all things (Sowell).

    “‘Our work suggests that if we can eliminate these differences in traditional risk factors between blacks and whites then we can reduce the race disparities in the development of diabetes,’ said lead study author Michael Bancks, a researcher at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago.”

    Because he doesn’t want to say, “Our goal is to make blacks act whiter”?

  16. Spike – “Because he doesn’t want to say, “Our goal is to make blacks act whiter”?”

    People don’t like to say it but all of American education policy now is about taking Black yoof out of the ghetto and putting them in classes with White students because somehow, as if by magic, White students will transform the culture of the ghetto thugs.

    The unspoken assumption is that Black culture is holding Blacks back and needs to be replaced.

  17. SMFS – Yes, there is a mania that every classroom be skin-color-normed, even around Boston several decades ago when this involved busing students 20 miles inland. However, orthodoxy in the US education priesthood is that you help blacks but not by changing their culture. That would be racism, as well as not helping them would be, plus whatever Eminem is doing onstage.

    In fact, I’d agree that black culture is holding blacks back (from some things) – and if any individual black person cares, he is free to change his own lifestyle, unless his school counselor gets in the way.

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