But it never has been about what the people want, has it?

Plans for a United States of Europe by 2025 suffered a damning blow today after a new poll revealed they have little support across the major nations.

German politician Martin Schulz – the former President of the European Parliament and domestic rival to Angela Merkel – promoted the plan at a party conference.

He called for a rapid development of the EU after Britain leaves, accelerating integration and leaving behind those who do not want it.

But the plan is supported by less than a third of people in seven major nations – and just 10 per cent in Britain, in a vindication of last year’s Leave vote.

It’s always been about what the technocrats would impose upon the people.

36 comments on “But it never has been about what the people want, has it?

  1. T&S is the charge for internal traitors.

    But what would be the charge for trying to overthrow 28 nations PLUS attempted white genocide both physical and cultural.

    A new Nuremberg-style set of trials are required. Obviously Brussels will be the location and the numbers in the Dock will be far greater than 1945. Also the punishment of collaborators will be a much bigger task.

  2. As opposed to what Leavers are imposing on us right now at the behest of right-wing anarchists and entitled ones like Nigel Farage..When Muddled May thought she was on a Leaver landslide after the referendum and called for a clear cliff jumping mandate in a snap general election, ,people turned round and voted Labour with nationalisation and all the 1950’s trimmings.The people of England have spoken alright ,after having second thoughts.

  3. Have we ever had such a failed leadership across Europe? Merkel looked good for a while but it turns out she hates her own people and seems to have a thing for swarthy rapists. Macron is a granny-f*cker. And the SDP has given us someone so thick that even an expensive private school could not get him through his A-levels and he had to go on to fail at running a book shop.

    Has there ever been a time when Europe needed a military coup more?

  4. Incidentally…Heseltine’s and Adonis’s Remainiac derangement is a joy to behold. Heseltine’s view that a Corbyn government would be an acceptable price to pay for cancelling Brexit and remaining in the EU has made some remain voters I know appreciate just how fanatical and irrational the Remainiacs are.

  5. Even recent history eludes you Reedy. A touch of Alz mayhap?
    Or given the level of twaddle you spew LOLs seems the more likely.

    A real leader would have buried the Corpse Formerly Known As Jeremy Corbin long before the GE.Much as a competent leader in 1917 would soon have been using Lenin and Trotsky’s polished skulls as mantelpiece ornaments. Old Trot lost and did so after still enlisting imports and the young freeloaders with promises he can’t keep. Combined with the assist from the Fish Faced Cow that was his “success”.

    If you believe that the above actually means millions want your “Forward to the (Worst Things About) the 1950s” fantasy you are an even bigger fool than you already shame yourself as.

  6. DBCR: well, that’s what democracy is all about. Often compromise works but the Europeans have consistently been against any sort of half-way membership that would partly satisfy us and partly them. It has been all or nothing, and now this head-banger wants to go even further. You could always get out to Großdeutschland now to sample the benefits of that régime before they won’t let you in in future.

  7. DBCP, The people have spoken, and Labour (whose policy is to leave the EU anyway) lost, the Tories received the highest number of votes since 1992 (more than any of Blair’s wins). We are leaving. Get used to it.

  8. There is a lady who often does the rounds on Teutuonic TV called Ulrike Guerot. An academic, she is now a professor of something at Krems Uni in Austria. I wil freely admit that I have fallen massively in love with her, however despite this fact everything she says is wrongs. I think it fair to say that she is a good representative of what “The Project” eventually hopes to achieve.

    She is a supporter of the “European Republic” where the nation states are by-passed and power is transferred to the regions, because they truly represent the people: in their apsirations and politics. This US of Europe is just a stepping stone as far she is concerned to the ultimate Republic. She hopes by this regional representation that the republic will gain popular support and legitimacy and not be the bureuacratic nightmare that the EU has become.
    I get the impression that she is a bit of a nuisance to the Commission ( I saw her recently on a panel where she and Vivian Reding were very frosty to each other) and of course being an academic can build these castles in the air, but she has the ear of twats like Sculz, Verhofstadt and even Macron.
    As we all know, Pie Eater Prescott tried this a few years ago and was given a thick ear by the Geordies, but she will probably say that it was the “wrong kind” of regional assembly.

  9. Schulz is just freelancing, making headlines. I’ve no idea why he thinks it will get him any votes.

  10. BNLIA–I found a photo of this Ulrike.

    You need to aim higher. She isn’t even marginal unless you were stuck on a desert island. Add in her poison mind and its really a blessing you will never have the chance.

  11. DBC Reed “The people of England have spoken alright ,after having second thoughts.”

    What a funny little fellow you are. The Conservatives have a 59 seat majority of English parliamentary seats.

  12. And yet it came to pass that the ‘mad predictions of deranged Brexiteers’ was made flesh…

    Like the EU army that wasn’t going to happen

  13. Mr Ecks
    I have some pals at Krems, so might try and gatecrash a party…

    It is the Lucy Worsley effect, asomething about clever birds with speech impediments.

  14. They say politics is showbusiness for ugly people, but Martin Schulz is just taking the piss. Why would you ever vote for someone who looks like an anti-Semitic cartoon?

  15. DBC: The strongest surge to Corbyn was in Leave-voting Labour seats, returning home now that UKIP have got the job done.

  16. “”They say politics is showbusiness for ugly people, but Martin Schulz is just taking the piss. Why would you ever vote for someone who looks like an anti-Semitic cartoon?”

    As Martin Schultz once said:

    “Germany exists only in order to ensure the existence of the Jewish people.”

    Cant imagine why there is antisemitism in the world can you?

  17. German politician Martin Schulz – the former President of the European Parliament and domestic rival to Angela Merkel – promoted the plan at a party conference.

    Germans dreaming of taking over Europe.

    There’s something new and different.

  18. Flubber – I’m in favour of Zionism myself, but yes, the idea that nationalism is bad when the goyim do it is one cause of anti-Semitism, and also one of the reasons why Jews are now fleeing France and face an uncertain future in London and Germany.

    Not much future in having an eruv in Tower Hamlets, is there?

    I reckon Bibi has the right idea.

  19. @SMFS
    Has there ever been a time when Europe needed a military coup more?

    I am afraid, given the current state of the EU military, they would have trouble toppling the government of Andorra.

  20. DBC Reed said:
    “people turned round and voted Labour”

    That would be the Labour Party that got nearly a million fewer votes than the Tories did?

  21. Bloke no Longer in Austria said:
    “Ulrike Guerot … I have fallen massively in love with her”

    Cut-price version of River Song, but doesn’t look as much fun.

  22. Paul Rain – “Deutschland, the Österreich, and South Tyrol should be reunited. But not this way.”

    Because of their economic success, discipline and numbers the Germans are the dominant power in Europe. So far no one has found a way of dealing with that except by inviting extra-European powers in to keep them down. We did well with the Americans. The Poles did very poorly with the Soviets. But the problem remains. One day the Americans will go and the Germans will still be there.

    Bloke no Longer in Austria – “An academic, she is now a professor of something at Krems Uni in Austria.”

    They have had six Rectors in six years. It got so bad they had to split the university into two. How can they govern Europe when they cannot even govern themselves?

    But can I say – it is not fair to shame a man for his choices. I can understand the appeal of red hair. And perhaps BiA could, you know, convert her.

    However she is a poster child for making poor choices with her life though. People ought to show their daughters this woman and tell them not to make her choices.

  23. “That would be the Labour Party that got nearly a million fewer votes than the Tories did?”

    If you look at southern and midlands marginals, its blatantly obvious that the large UKIP vote in 2015 shifted to Labour in 2017, not the Tories. In my town (2 sitting Tory MPs) they both suffered reduced majorities even though their vote improved slightly, but the large UKIP vote collapsed entirely and seemed to go straight to the Labour candidate, whose votes rose by the same as the UKIP fell.

    The reason the 2017 election was such a surprise is that everyone assumed that UKIP voters would vote Tory if they left UKIP, as it happened they appear to have moved predominantly to Labour. Which is not surprising if you think about it, Old Labour were always very socially conservative, as were UKIP. Such people wouldn’t vote for metropolitan Labourite such as Miliband, but would for an old school Leftist like Corbyn.

    Suck it up buttercup, the main reason Comrade Corbyn did so well on 2017 was that he got most of the votes of the racist fruitcake UKIP voters. Ironic isn’t it?

  24. So, the deal was that a Labour guy could contribute to government so as to not waste his talents, the reason this wasn’t done before is that you don’t want the enemy within the walls. That means that the tacit understanding has to be that he operates technically only, not politically. He’s given a chance and screwed the pooch royally, in his own words, in the graun. So why does he expect a hearing?

  25. This Ulrike Guerot is a weasel. I read a couple of her pieces and she never once mentioned what sort of powers she thinks the regions should have.
    I mean, if she were to advocate the devolution of all powers to regions except free movement of capital, people ( non criminals, and NRTPF ) goods and services then she is onto something, a sort of common market without that political union thing going on.
    But I bet she doesn’t and she just sees regional governments as branches of the executive.

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