This story is not as it seems

Taxpayers may be on the hook for tens of millions of pounds a year in extra payments to underperforming rail operator Govia even though older trains will now be used for longer.

Hmm, OK, why?

The delay in introducing Class 700s has been partly due to technical issues that delayed their roll out as well as infrastructure restrictions on the network.

The nationalised bit of the railways fucked up, this will be used as an argument in favour of nationalisation of more of the railways.

Logic, notably absent in politics, isn’t it?

38 comments on “This story is not as it seems

  1. Maybe but a succession of Rail,crashes happened during the period when the infra structure was in private hands . It came back into Public ownership to facilitate massive public investment which seems to have resolved the “dying in agony” problem .
    Rail was never really private , even its initial development was partnership with the government of the day . Overall I favour more privatization but if you don `t get competition it won`t work so iuts not that simple
    Oh sorry we are in Brexit moron land aren`t we , there is a large majority in favour of public ownership so it must be right

    That right Tim , you are a democrat aren`t you or do we actully think most people have no fucking idea and should not make such s decision …. could be ?

  2. This captures the essence of politics, and the tensions in the realitionship between the political classes and reality. Douglas Adams produced a raft of essays on the subject, although I think many mistook them for light entertainment. Good to see that tradition living on.

  3. @Newmania

    Partnership with government? The only way that government got involved in the early days of railways was the enabling acts for them, which basically meant “this railway shall not go over lord snootyton’s land”. The rest of the work (engineering standards, signalling and so on) was carried out by the railway companies, with government only sticking an oar in occasionally.

  4. Most people don’t have a clue Facepainter–but special MC/CM scum like you should call the shots?

    The arrogance needs beating out of you you sack of middle-class leftist London Bubble turds.

    As for many working class folk still having an unfortunate attachment to socialist bullshit. Well that is a shame. But the fact that poor people with often hard lives might fall for the Utopian cockrot of socialism is at least understandable to a degree. Contrast however today’s generation of well-off, middle-class, leftist scum (like you Facepaint in all respects save that you are terrified that Corbog will take all your money) the vast majority of whom have never had a day’s financial hardship in their fucking worthless lives but who endorse socialism because of some adolescent beef with middle-class Mummy and Daddy.

  5. Just saying

    There are large majorities for Public Rail ownership higher taxes .. they must be right then

  6. No –like you they are full of leftist clichéd bullshit–but of an older brand than the trendy , multi-culti poison that selfish, self-serving London Bubble shite like you peddle.

    But they are at least patriots. Not well-off treasonous scum who want to see their people under foreign tinpot tyranny cos it puts money and a nice cosy lifestyle in their pocket. In short not traitors and vermin like you Facepaint.

  7. Newmania.

    You say that there are large majorities for “Public Rail ownership higher taxes”. Might I observe that the last 3 elections don’t appear to have produced them?

  8. Well Mr Ecks, whilst, clearly I am an effete yawning invertebrate myself ,my ancestors fought in both wars with some distinction . I`m not at all sure whose side you would have been on?

  9. ou say that there are large majorities for “Public Rail ownership higher taxes”. Might I observe that the last 3 elections don’t appear to have produced them?

    Might I observe that the entire electorate voted for Parties which supported the EU on every possible occasion since our entry

  10. Just for once, I’d agree with Newmania. There does seem to be a majority for renationalisation. And the current form of rail privatisation is nothing approaching real privatisation, with the State’s clumsy fist still heavily on the controls.
    So give them what they want. No doubt it’ll all end in tears. But people need a reminder of how lousy the State is at organising things. Apparently the NHS isn’t enough. In fact, a disastrous renationalisation might give the impetus to look at & slay the biggest dragon of all.
    But, then, I’m not obliged to use either of them, am I? Easy to be brave with other people’s lives. Return to Madrid from here is about £115 for total 1024km in 2 1/2 hrs each way.

  11. “Might I observe that the entire electorate voted for Parties which supported the EU on every possible occasion since our entry”

    Dear oh dear, you can do better than that.

    Or maybe you can’t, because the one time everyone has been offered a vote on precisely their views on membership of the EU (as opposed to a composite of their views on taxes, public spending, the economy, the NHS, immigration, crime, foreign policy, all the things one has to weigh up in a General Elections vote) over 50% voted to leave.

    And even your statement is factually wrong – in 2015 3.8m people voted specifically for a party who wished to leave the EU, so ‘the entire electorate have voted for Parties supporting the EU’ is in fact a lie.

  12. whilst, clearly I am an effete yawning invertebrate myself

    This time, it speaks the truth.

    my ancestors fought in both wars with some distinction

    Its ancestors loved it and have forgiven.

  13. It bothers me that nationalisation is routinely offered as a panacea – essentially without offering much evidence.

    There seems to be a belief in some quarters that state bureaucrats are magically able to successfully turn their hands to anything and cure all manner of ills.

    I’d say that there is plenty of evidence that that isn’t the case at all – not that monopolistic private operators are that much better – but by ‘eck the combination of the two is the worst of all worlds – no?

    Let’s not nationalise them – lets’s just give the whole lot to ASLEF and the RMT – that would be amusing.

  14. As an aside – Branson & Co were suing the DoT for £2 billion a couple of years back over the West Coast Main Line contract cockup – but it all went very, very quiet.

    Anybody know exactly what happened there? – there was near universal agreement that the bureaucrats had perpetrated such an epic fail and that it wasn’t so much who was guilty as how much was going to be paid out….

  15. (as opposed to a composite of their views on taxes, public spending, the economy, the NHS, immigration, crime, foreign policy, all the things one has to weigh up in a General Elections vote) over 50% voted to leave.

    You don`t think risking the source of the revenue required to pay for public spending forms part of this composite view? Our relationship with our neighbors has nothing to do with foreign Policy ?

    There are any number of stupid ideas you could get a majority to vote for actually but if you are saying that complex integrated subjects that cannot be reduced to a simple question should not be thrown to the ignorant mob I agree

  16. “Well Mr Ecks, whilst, clearly I am an effete yawning invertebrate myself ,my ancestors fought in both wars with some distinction . I`m not at all sure whose side you would have been on?!

    I would have been on the Britain’s side.

    And however bravely your forebears fought I imagine they now hang their heads in shame at the sight– and worse the sound–of the disgusting self-seeking, self-serving traitorous ( not merely to this nation but to the cause of freedom) money-grubbing arrogant prick that their line has sunk so low as to become in the form of you Facepaint.

  17. “There are any number of stupid ideas you could get a majority to vote for actually”

    Only, Facepainter by lying out of your treasonous arses as in 1975 .

    After 40 years actual experience of your shitehouse little euro-empire all of your lies and bullshit weren’t enough this time.

  18. The logic seems always to be “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”

  19. Insults aside, may I respectfully point out that large, multiple fatality, rail accidents happened every year but one in the 20th century? In that year, the railways weren’t an entirely state concern.

    The point about such crashes is that they are such statistical outliers that they are difficult to address with simple prescriptive measures, as they are caused by misunderstandings, tiredness or stupidity usually on the part of an individual.

    Relative to the major accidents, the death toll on the railways is far higher due to suicide or stupidity. Like for example decapitation when leaning out of a window and being hit by an oncoming train, jumping off the platform, or driving round a level crossing barrier.

  20. “There are any number of stupid ideas you could get a majority to vote for actually but if you are saying that complex integrated subjects that cannot be reduced to a simple question should not be thrown to the ignorant mob I agree”

    Ah, and the truth comes out. You’re nothing but another authoritarian arsehole who doesn’t believe in democracy. The people are too stupid to vote on such complex issues, clever people like me should only be allowed to make such decisions.

    Brexit has been wonderful in exposing the likes of you, if nothing else it has shown you up as the fascists you really are.

  21. Martin–Apart from acronyms such as MC/CM (because its easier than typing “Middle-Class Cultural Marxism” every time) I think my posts are reasonably clear to anyone with even an average grasp of English Comprehension.

    Since, if memory serves, this is the second time you have made the same complaint I suggest that perhaps a tutor would be of some help to you.

    Also there might be from time to time a name or reference that requires some knowledge and memory of what has gone before on my various posts . If you missed the original postings or your memory is poor you also might struggle to grasp what is being said.

    For example my references to the disgusting “NewRemainiac” as “Facepainter” or “Facepaint” for example might puzzle you (despite the fact I have been doing so since the creep appeared soon after June 23rd 2016). You would require knowledge of the backstory to get the reference. Which is true of lots of writing that has been in progress for a while.

    The fact that you have not encountered or have not been able to keep up with or remember all the various “tropes” I use is not my failing or fault. DC comics doesn’t post a notice of explanation every time they refer to Batman as the “Caped Crusader” or the “Dark Knight”. The company obviously thinks it reasonable that people with basic memory and comprehension will pick up the conventions as they go along. So do I.

  22. Ah, and the truth comes out. You’re nothing but another authoritarian arsehole who doesn’t believe in democracy. …Brexit has been wonderful in exposing the likes of you, if nothing else it has shown you up as the fascists you really are………

    Mob rule and democracy are not the same thing anyway what makes you think Fascists don`t like democracy . It was the fact that so many people voted for them that obliged conservative forces in Europe to make a deal with them .

  23. Yeah Jim cos Facepaint and his well-off London Bubble friends know so much better than the Riff Raff like you or I . So just do what he and his friends tell you. And shut your trap before you touch your forelock.

    Facepaint doesn’t even tried to hide his TinGodhood. He just tries to divert attention from his arrogance by talking a lot of irrelevant shite about fascism.

    Piss off back to JackalHearts blog or ConHome maybe NewRemainiac. They have a lot more tolerance for your lies and bullshit and you will find lots of fellow-travelling trash over there.

  24. @ Newmania (and to remind Jim)
    Those old enough to remember will know that not far short of 50% of the electorate voted Labour in 1950 and 1951 despite the Attlee government refusing to join the ECSC as Sir Winston Churchill recommended.
    Harold Willsoon had to indulge in trickery to get Labour to support staying in the EEC in 1975.

  25. @MrEcks
    I’m somewhat mystified at your referring to Newmania as the face painter. Unless you’re privy to info I’m not. Jackart’s a somewhat precious individual, inclined to spit his dummy & throw Teddy at the slightest dissent at his point of view. Not to mention his bicycle fetish. He’d more likely to peddle furiously back to the safe haven of his own blog than hang around to be soundly abused here.
    There was a Newmania used to make his presence felt on the old Biased BBC site, some years ago. But I seem to remember him/her as being more of the hanging, drawing & quartering tendency regarding the political establishment.

  26. BiS–New Remainiac used to hang out occassionaly at JackalHearts blog. Long before Brexit was on the cards.

    JackalH, tho’ a ReMainiac, used to have a photo of some thug on the blogfront with his face painted in Union Jack colours. This is because JH is a sports faux patriot. The kind of prick who drives around with Cross of St George flags on his car and Union Jacks up his face for fucking Rugby matches. When however, the time comes to do something for his nation for real ie 23/6/16 he brazenly pisses on his country by voting ReMain and encouraging others to do the same.

    I don’t know or care if NewTreason is a sports fan–but “Facepainter”( contracted from the original phrase of attack “painting your face Union Jack colours”) seems to me a term of contempt that suits the arrogant. supercilious bastard to a T.

  27. “since the creep appeared soon after June 23rd 2016”

    Remainiac / Facepainter etc

    Newmania is the same EU patsy that tried to pass himself off as Ersatz Steve a few months before the referendum – which became obvious as soon as he re-appeared after the referendum.

    I remember well some of the things he slipped up on at the time, ie when he went “off message” by accident.

  28. “Mob rule and democracy are not the same thing”

    Its only mob rule when you lose isn’t it? If it had been 52/48 to Remain it would have been a stunning example of democracy in action of course. Was it Mob Rule when 50% of the electorate voted for socialism and the Welfare State in 1945? That was as big a change to the British way of life as leaving the EU might be, more so I’d say. I don’t recall anyone saying then that the mob didn’t know what they were voting for and should be ignored………its the usual leftist irregular verbs again:

    I have a democratic mandate
    You are a populist
    He is inciting Mob Rule (or He is literally Hitler, for modern tastes).

  29. No Mr Ecks
    Jackart’s a member of Two-Wheeled Menace who go around with their arses higher than their elbows. The Lycra Cowboys. Car drivers are his sworn enemies.

  30. BiS–I concede to your greater knowledge of the fellow but the point is valid none the less. He likely has a Cross of St George flag on the bike. And whitewall tyres as well.

  31. Mr Ecks your reply to my 4th comment about your English was pretty good English. So I know you can do it.
    Makes your posts a lot more readable.

  32. Martin: To paraphrase The Big Lebowski (the Millionaire Lebowski): “I cannot solve your problems Sir: only you can”

  33. Troubling
    A poll by Sky News has found an increasing majority of Brits support bringing the railways into public ownership

    Some 60% of Britons support bringing the country’s rail network back into public ownership, while 20% oppose it. Nine percent were neutral, while 11% answered ‘don’t know’.

    Blame lies with MSM for refusing to report why rail fares have been rising – decreasing Gov’t subsidy ie all tapayers subsidising the minority of train commuters.

    CCHQ also to blame for being inept, for decades, at pushing their message.

    eg Blair/Brown moved all DWP Benefits to expensive 0845 numbers, no MSM/Con complaints
    IDS reversed and moved all back to 01/02/03 numbers, no MSM/Con gratitude.

  34. And you have to pay train drivers twice what it costs to hire a coach driver who has a steering wheel to control and more dangers to face.

    I still don’t understand why the TOCs want to achieve driver only operation. It makes no sense considering that we’re on the brink of automated driving tech. Guard only operation is the way to go. Imv, of course.

  35. Pcar–I wouldn’t trust Sky to tell me the time of day. Polls that are perhaps meant to boost the perception that all is going Corbog’s way.

  36. I can understand your dilemma, Mr Ecks. When I first stumbled across chez Jackart, the graphics led me to believe I’d chanced upon a backdoor to the BNP central planning committee. But he turns out to be a card-carrying member of the Tory Party, who does something insignificant in finance. Nevertheless, if anyone’s reading this drives a skip lorry, I surmise he does his daily commute in from south of the River. You know your duty.

Leave a Reply

Name and email are required. Your email address will not be published.

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.