Barmy old bat but sensible with it

If you spread your legs because he said ‘be nice to me and I’ll give you a job in a movie’ then I’m afraid that’s tantamount to consent, and it’s too late now to start whingeing about that,” said the feminist writer.

However, she also said this doesn’t excuse the behaviour of predatory men like Harvey Weinstein.

Quite, there is a dividing line there, isn’t there?

22 comments on “Barmy old bat but sensible with it

  1. I am not sure I see the dividing line. If you take a robust libertarian view, Weinstein has as much right to offer an actress a role in exchange for a blow job as she has to suggest it herself. Neither is to blame if one or other accepts or declines such an offer.

    Of course in the real world such transactions are rarely so frictionless. There is always a bit of bullying, intimidation and retaliation involved. Ask how much work Mia Sorvino has done lately.

    More importantly, who wants to live in such a society? You could just as well argue that a young unemployed lout standing on the street corner has every right to call every uncovered girl a slut and a whore who deserves to be raped. She has every right to ignore it, retaliate or run home in tears.

    However I do not want to live in a society where men browbeat women until they cover up. And I would prefer to live in a society where I can send my daughter out to do work experience without the risk of her being sexually exploited. We used to condemn the squire’s son who bedded the maid because that is a pre-condition for people being willing to send their daughters out to work as maids. The logical conclusion of the Weinstein approach is purdah.

  2. Germaine (which, by the way, is Islington rhyming slang for an ale, as in; “I say, Rupert, would you like a quick Germaine on the way home from Pilates?”) is breaking ranks at a rapid pace from the third wave feminists.

    See also her denial of basic biological “facts” that gender is a social construct.

    If this is how feminists end up in old age, overtaken by the narrative, one shudders to imagine what it would take to ostracise Laurie Penny in her later years.

  3. Incidentally I do love the way that the British take the mentally disturbed radicals and gradually soften their edges over the years, wearing them down, until they become National Treasures.

    The 78-year-old was named Australian of the Year in Britain during a gala event at Australia House in London

    Although maybe that is the Australians doing it. Compare with Bridgitte Bardot. Who started out a lot saner – as did pretty much everyone – but who has become more colourful with time.

  4. She said at the time: “just because you lop off your penis… it doesn’t make you a woman”.

    It must be one of the signs of the impending End of Times that Germaine Greer is one of the few people talking sense on gender.

    More so than the Telegraph for instance.

  5. “So Ms xxxx, what was it about the millionaire Hollywood lifestyle that stopped you speaking out until you became a star?”

  6. If I had bullied and intimidated someone into giving me a BJ, I think I would be having second thoughts about placing my tender bits anywhere near a set of indignant teeth.

  7. “Ask how much work Mia Sorvino has done lately”

    Thats because she’s old.

    She did lots of films after the Weinstein thing (which seems to be around 1994-1995), including big budget, big name films. The problem is that they were a string of flops. And she was never a “star”. She won a best supporting actress Oscar for a Woody Allen film.

    Weinstein didn’t own Hollywood. He ran a small studio specialising in Oscar bait.

  8. Dear SMFS,

    I suspect the rhyming slang wasn’t with ‘Greer’, but with ‘Defoe’. Oh you poor innocent!

  9. Bemused,

    Bullied? Intimidated?

    I wouldn’t trust women over this. Few women like to admit they fucked for money.

    Sarah Pulley, the actress turned director described her interview with Weinstein in polite and transactional terms.

  10. one shudders to imagine what it would take to ostracise Laurie Penny in her later years.

    She’s already on a warning and backpedalling rapidly having gone to a Milo rally and not reported back that it was full of foaming-at-the-mouth Nazis.

  11. “She’s already on a warning and backpedalling rapidly”.

    That is one of the joys of watching the left; eventually they always eat their own. The Spanish Civil War being a stunning and sad example.

    Good luck with the book, fellah.

  12. If she says, “No,” he’s a clumsy oaf.

    If she says, “Yes,” he’s a predator.

    Note that the use of the word ‘predator’ is invalid. They use it for the impact, but it doesn’t really apply. Ipso facto, whenever you see ‘sexual predator,’ bullshit follows.

  13. The problem here is that it’s not just “a job in a flim”. It’s more that if she says “no”, she doesn’t get her break in film at all and remains a waitress for the rest of her natural.

    It’s high level blackmail, so I’m not sure it really qualifies as consent. That’s the problem.

    It also explains the conspiracy of silence but does not excuse the way that everyone seemed totally chummy with Weinstein and the like when they knew this was going on. If all these metoo actresses had quietly refused to have anything to do with him or his studio (and told him privately why), I suspect it would have stopped a lot quicker…

  14. The Pedant-General – “The problem here is that it’s not just “a job in a flim”. It’s more that if she says “no”, she doesn’t get her break in film at all and remains a waitress for the rest of her natural.”

    That seems fairly consensual. I just don’t think it should happen. We would be better off if it didn’t. Although where to draw the line? Geena Davis starred in at least two films directed by her then husband/boyfriend Renny Harlin – Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight. The former being endearingly bad and the latter being pretty good as it happens. Both made by someone who clearly loved her. James Cameron directed Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2 and at some point they hooked up.

    However one of the accusations here is retaliation. What if she says no and he says she will never work in this town again? As allegedly happened to Mira Sorvino. Now she did win an Oscar in a Woody Allen film that Weinstein produced (so she must be fairly well acquainted with low life film people) but it was almost her first film. She has done nothing of note ever since. Is she just a bad actress whose career was puffed by Weinstein because she blew him? Perhaps. But maybe she might have been great if he had not blacklisted her.

    The way to be sure is to make sure producers don’t do that sort of thing.

  15. The Pedant-General said:
    “It’s high level blackmail, so I’m not sure it really qualifies as consent. That’s the problem.”

    Blackmail is a threat to make your position worse than it is. The allegations (mostly) aren’t of that, but of a promise to make her career better. That’s an offer, not a threat; it’s prostitution, not blackmail.

  16. Well said, Richard.

    “It’s high level blackmail, so I’m not sure it really qualifies as consent. That’s the problem.”

    It’s not a problem.

    The whole #metoo shtick is part of the Leftard women’s pretend world.

  17. @ Richard
    Blackmail is demanding money (or value) as a reward for choosing not to report a crime.You are extending the meaning, but not as far as the feminists

  18. The Pedant-General,

    “It’s high level blackmail, so I’m not sure it really qualifies as consent. That’s the problem.

    It also explains the conspiracy of silence but does not excuse the way that everyone seemed totally chummy with Weinstein and the like when they knew this was going on. If all these metoo actresses had quietly refused to have anything to do with him or his studio (and told him privately why), I suspect it would have stopped a lot quicker…”

    Actually, it wouldn’t. There’s a glut of actresses that want those roles and in generally so little variance in quality that it doesn’t matter. It’s why the whole “this happens in every industry” is such bullshit. It happens where there’s a glut of women. Like ballet and cinema. Not in nursing or programming.

    And the reason there’s a conspiracy of silence is mostly because the press buried stories about Weinstein. The reason I suspect it’s come out now is that the press is too wide now. You can’t buy all the press.

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