Why would that be then?

In the line of dire: let’s call time on Clint Eastwood’s macho movies

When peeps get all pretentious about it, when we’re talking about art rather than just a bit of dress up, we’re told that the movies should reflect and illuminate life.

Macho is a part of life – most assuredly it is, as the feminists keep telling us. So, why shouldn’t there be movies about it?

29 comments on “Why would that be then?

  1. The Hollywood veteran’s stoic war films provide the same one-sided scenario every time

    If this was a reason to not make films then Hollywood would barely have released a film a year. There must be another reason…oh yes, it’s because he’s another sneering middle class wanker.

  2. It’s interesting to me that there’s a market, in America, here and elsewhere, for American war movies that are about American contemporary war heroics – 13 hours, Sole Survivor, Zero Dark Thirty, American Sniper. Granted, they often have their ambivalances and shadings. But still.

    However, there is – judging by the near total absence (with the honourable exception of the excellent Kajaki, which bombed) of such films being made – no British market for films about British contemporary war heroics.

  3. “The intention is to project the US as the strong, dependable world policeman when in real life – especially given the present commander in chief – it’s more like Eastwood’s Dirty Harry: brutal, macho, not overly concerned with the rules, and overcompensating for something with its penchant for big guns.”

    This last bit reminds me of an exchange I heard somewhere…

    Q; Why do you use such a large gun?
    A: Because when I shoot someone, I want them to stay dead.

  4. Hm. Trump’s swaggering around threatening armageddon seems to have put the Norks back in their box though, hasn’t it?

  5. The Hollywood veteran’s stoic war films provide the same one-sided scenario every time

    Except Flags of Our Fathers/Letters from Iwo Jima which came in two parts precisely so both sides of the story could be told. Cracking journalism there.

  6. It’s interesting to me that there’s a market, in America, here and elsewhere, for American war movies that are about American contemporary war heroics – 13 hours, Sole Survivor, Zero Dark Thirty, American Sniper.

    I went to see American Sniper in Paris – original version, French subtitles – expecting it to be half-empty. Packed to the rafters with French, who seemed to enjoy it.

  7. “let’s call time on Clint Eastwood’s macho movies”

    translation:

    “Please stop making films which make me ashamed of my cowardice and weakness”

  8. Packed to the rafters with French, who seemed to enjoy it.

    Well, of course. They’re French. The only military heroism they know is vicarious. 🙂

  9. Rob – “There must be another reason…oh yes, it’s because he’s another sneering middle class wanker.”

    +1. I question the sanity of anyone who looks at Hollywood and thinks the problem is too much manliness. For instance, I believe the formerly crazy-hot Rose McGown is accusing Jabba the Weinstein of “rape” (oddly even the Guardian is using quotation marks – legal advice?) that consisted of him holding her down and performing oral sex on her while pleasing himself manually.

    Well. It ain’t exactly James frickin’ Bond is it? I mean, what the f**k is wrong with these people? Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto etc etc, but I have to say this is all completely out of my frame of reference. I could not understand less if Weinstein enjoyed watching two female dogs sniffing each others backsides while downing a chardonay with Meryl Streep.

    The problem with Hollywood is too many pretentious wankers and not enough Cliff Eastwood.

    Roué le Jour – “You’ll prise my copy of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly from my cold, dead hands.”

    +1.

  10. Well, of course. They’re French. The only military heroism they know is vicarious.

    There’s probably something to that. In a society shorn of any route to celebrating military heroics of their own (Napolean’s are not to be spoken of) they turn to those of others. Which suggests men like military heroics, and will find them where they can. Who knew?

  11. I assume this bearded fvcking hipster luvvie would prefer us all to watch wall to wall Mike Leigh films in grim semis up North with 3 flying ducks above the mantelpiece before topping ourselves through boredom.

  12. JuliaM,

    Actually, Woody Allen did rather well a few years ago. The one with Colin Firth, Midnight in Paris and Vicky Christina Barcelona made huge profits compared to cost (Allen’s films are fairly cheap).

    I recommend the Paris/Barcelona films (and Match Point).

  13. So why doesn’t this guy crowdfund the movie he wants? Gap in the market, plenty of Anti American Guardian readers. Do it for a few million if you’re clever with stuff.

    The problem is that Hollywood had dipped their toes into this territory (like Green Zone) and noone cares. Welders going out with their mates don’t want a politics lesson. The only people who care about directly political cinema are Guardian readers. That doesn’t mean you can’t be obliquely political like The Dark Knight or The Incredibles but you can’t beat people over the head.

  14. SMFS–Cliff Eastwood?

    Hell Yes.

    That final shoot-out in “Summer Holiday” was one of the best ever put on celluloid.

  15. per the guardian the top two films of 2017

    Call Me By Your Name
    Beautiful, sundrenched romance directed by A Bigger Splash’s Luca Guadagnino, chronicling the affair a teenager (Timothée Chalamet) and a visiting American grad student (Armie Hammer) in 1980s Italy. Read the full review

    2

    Moonlight
    Heartrending account of a black teenager’s struggle to come to terms with his gay identity – potentially difficult material handled with an almost miraculous lightness of touch by director Barry Jenkins. Read the full review

    ie gay propaganda. Who wouldn’t prefer these to dirty harry or the man with no name?

  16. “That doesn’t mean you can’t be obliquely political like The Dark Knight or The Incredibles ”

    Maybe I am being dim, but I read The Incredibles’s political message as absolutely nothing that your average leftist would support:
    – “When everyone is special, no-one will be”: The _Baddy_ is proposing “All Shall Have Prizes” and it’s clearly bunk.
    – Importance of the traditional family
    – importance of being true to yourself
    – Baddies in general need a sound thump rather than molly-coddling

    I grant you that there is a cartoon-caricature of an evil insurance company but we can’t have everything and it’s a bit part rather than core to the message.

  17. It will be a cold day in hell before I let some noodly-armed mangina dictate my movie-watching. Right now I’m re-watching Band of Brothers. That’ll put hair on your chest.

  18. The only thing I want to learn from a film review is whether the film reviewer thinks it’s any bloody good. A point on which the Giradanu singularly fails to deliver.

    But then it’s an Eastwood film – it will be very well made, tightly shot, with great cinematography and a strong storyline. I had my doubts about whether a good film could be made about Sully, but I was wrong (and Tom Hanks hasn’t made a bad movie in a long time).

  19. @Edward Lud, January 30, 2018 at 10:39 am

    Hm. Trump’s swaggering around threatening armageddon seems to have put the Norks back in their box though, hasn’t it?

    Yep. Mr Trump didn’t forget Mr Reagan bombing Libya (from UK) – it put Gaddafi back in his box.

    Appeaser Theresa does not understand strength – Girl Talk at Davos

  20. Talking about propaganda in the The Incredibles reminds me of something I always found amusing. As the US has the party colours the “wrong” way around, every time they colour the good guys blue and the bad guys red it has entirely the opposite meaning in the rest of the world than it does at home.

  21. As Ted Bundy said, “there’s no actual evidence that watching violent misogynistic films has any effect on a person’s character”.

  22. Of course, he didn’t actually say that but it would have been really funny if he had said it, with a straight face, to some feminazi like Harriet Harpie.

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