Tempus fugit etc

How to be the PERFECT Muslim wife: Imam instructs women must make themselves available to their husbands whenever they demand intimacy and sex before marriage is banned, reveals documentary

Yes, I’m very happy about the change myself. But 60 years ago this would have described near any European nation.

Just an observation, not a recommendation.

16 comments on “Tempus fugit etc

  1. …which seems to supoprt the prudery cycle hypothesis. Go back beyond my grandparents (yes, someone in the family is into that stuff), and everyone dropped their first sprog <9 months after the paperwork was done.

  2. But along came the Pill, abortion, and antibiotics to treat STDs. And they’re unlikely to go away again (well, the antibiotics are losing their effectiveness; but the rest seems to be here to stay). It has all had quite an impact on sexual behaviour.

  3. The problem is not really that the Muslims think that wives should be sexually available to their husbands or that pre-marital sex is wrong. Those are perfectly mainstream positions that a significant percentage of British people still hold to today.

    The problem comes with the normalisation of rape, child abuse and kidnap, domestic violence, at least to a point, and so on. Islamic law is a bit more extreme than they are letting on here. For instance, Islamic law is so bad that the Iranian government apologised for someone pointing out how bad it actually is:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5339519/Iran-TV-apologises-telling-women-kiss-abusers-feet.html

    I don’t think many people in Europe were claiming that a generation ago.

  4. Andrew M – “But along came the Pill, abortion, and antibiotics to treat STDs. And they’re unlikely to go away again”

    Strangely enough these all have been available to Muslims too. Yet they have moved in the opposite direction. The grandparents of today’s Egyptians, for instance, lived in much more liberal environs. And abortion has always been available to Muslims. Birth control too.

    Something else is going on in the West.

  5. I don’t remember the bit where rapists got to marry their victim to save her from being murdered by her family for the sake of the family’s honour. Must have been before my time…

  6. Imam instructs women must make themselves available to their husbands whenever they demand intimacy and sex before marriage is banned

    Marriage is going to be banned? When? Looks like there will be a rush on for intimacy and sex before this deadline then. If so it is only fitting that the Imam instructs the wife to be prepared. Make the best of it!

  7. @BiG

    Back in the day, sleeping together was fine after engagement so as to ensure you were actually compatible (i.e. you could reproduce) so a pregnant bride was not uncommon. Bastardy being a matter of born out of wedlock, not conceived out of it.

  8. Were we stoning women to death for adultery 60 years ago?

    I would have thought that the sex/marriage ideas of Islam applied to consenting adults are ones we could accept. It’s the rest of the batshit crazy stuff that worries me.

  9. @Clarissa, very true. But back in my day Christians were very much against sex before marriage. For Catholics it was totally unacceptable for a long time. Even my priest feigned a raised eyebrow in marriage prep as we were very obviously “living in sin”.

    Now they don’t care so much but the rest of society is seemingly heading back to prudery.

  10. Bloke in Germany – Christians are still against sex before marriage.
    Its an ongoing thing for some centuries. Sometimes society is in step with them on that and sometimes not in step.

    The Americans came up with the idea of purity pledges, to me its a daft thing but means something to those who campaign for it. Higher pregnancy rates – and its not just girls who take the pledge.

  11. Imam instructs women must make themselves available to their husbands whenever they demand intimacy and sex before marriage is banned

    Did he say anything about the husband’s duty to give her a lift to primary school though?

  12. Back in the day, sleeping together was fine after engagement so as to ensure you were actually compatible (i.e. you could reproduce) so a pregnant bride was not uncommon. Bastardy being a matter of born out of wedlock, not conceived out of it.

    And lack of pregnancy after sufficient time was considered a good reason to break off the engagement and both parties to go find someone else more “compatible”.

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