We should await Chris Snowdon’s take on this

Keep an eye on here.

The average Briton consumes 50 per cent more calories than they think they do, according to the first estimates from the Office for National Statistics.

The new data show that men are the worst at kidding themselves – typically consuming 1,000 more calories than they estimate every day – while women eat about 800 calories more than they account for.

My first take is:

The new PHE advice, in the One You nutrition campaign, will say adults should limit lunches and dinners to 600 calories each, with 400 calories for breakfast.

Those behind the campaign say overall recommended daily consumption levels are unchanged- at 2000 calories for women and 2500 for men – but that the guidance is a “rule of thumb” to help people cut back.

This is still markedly (like, 20%) lower than wartime minimum ration.

It still ain’t that we’re all eating more.

19 comments on “We should await Chris Snowdon’s take on this

  1. The average Briton consumes 50 per cent more calories than they think

    Absolute bollocks. Given the amount of exercise the average Britain does they’d put on half a stone in weight each month if they are that much.

    90% of “public health” “research” these days is deranged fantasy.

  2. So 2 lunches at 600 calories each and 400 for breakfast leaves 800 extra calories for men to find each day. That should cover a bottle of red and a couple of scotches.

  3. Why would I want fewer calories at the start of the day when I’m going to be most active and burn them off, then have a larger number in the evening when all I’m going to do is sit brain dead in front of the idiot lantern before going off to bed?

  4. Spokesman from PHE on R4 this morning said the amount of under estimation is about 35% and has been known for years. She said they even factored this in to their advice.

  5. I stopped visiting Snowdon’s blog because he came across as a nasty piece of work. Bad tempered, not too strong on reading comprehension, deaf to subtlety or sarcasm: has he grown up at all?

  6. As someone else suggested it–can’t remember who–shut PHE down and give their budget to the so called “Winter Crisis” NHS.

    Standard Ecks firing terms would apply.

  7. I don’t know how all of this makes any kind of sense. For years I was convinced I was overeating, after all I’ve been struggling to get below 15 stone.
    Last year in the run-up to some medical tests I forced myself to rigourously keep a food diary, noting and weighing every portion. I went onto the NHS website to find the calorific values to complete the spreadsheet, and it states I’m consuming 1500 kCal per day, and that’s including fish suppers, service station burgers, biscuits and bars of chocolate. So where’s the other 1000 kCal? or 2000 kCal?

  8. It is that they (I’m not) are eating more. The government might be telling you to eat 2500 kCal, but the WHO says the average Brit is chomping through 3400 kCal.

  9. The theory is that everyone burns a certain number of Calories (2500 for men, 2000 for women, say the experts), and you therefore have to eat that amount to maintain a stable weight.

    The experiment being reported measured the actual number of Calories burnt, and found it was about 3200 for men and 2400 for women. Since people eat pretty much exactly what they burn (with less than 1% difference), they deduce that they’re also eating this much, too. But when asked to track how many Calories they thought they were eating, they reported averages of 2100 and 1600 Calories respectively.

    This demonstrates that:

    1) The diet advice published by the heath Nazis for the past umpteen years was utterly and completely wrong, and all the people pushing this line evidently know jack shit about how diets affect weight.

    2) People know perfectly well how much they’re *supposed* to eat, and when asked about it in a survey make sure they give the ‘right’ answer so they don’t give the impression of rebellious .political incorrectness by not following the official advice.

    The idea that it incontestably demonstrates that the current ‘expert’ diet advice is totally wrong, and has been for years, without any of these ‘experts’ noticing, doesn’t seem to have permeated yet. Or perhaps it has, but they’re urgently spinning the line that the real story here is that people must have been lying to them about following their diet advice, which justifies their imposing even more repressive measures to force people to comply.

    As I’ve said many times before, how much you eat has very little to do with how fat you are. There are 20-year-olds who ate 4000 Calories a day and stayed thin, but the same person getting fat at 40 on half the Calories. Weight *change* (not weight itself) is due to the *difference* between input and output, and *both* of those are subject to the body’s complex energy management system.

  10. The diet advice published by the heath Nazis for the past umpteen years was utterly and completely wrong, and all the people pushing this line evidently know jack shit about how diets affect weight.

    Basically this. During a routine visit to the doctors back in 2003, we had the “You need to lose weight” conversation (despite the obvious irony of her being a head shorter than me and at least 10KG heavier).

    At that point I weighed 92KG / 203lbs / 14.4st) and not knowing any better I listened to her “eat less, move more” bullshit (aka CICO – Calories In/Calories Out) and did as I was told. Abandoned it after about 6 weeks because it made me depressed as hell and although my weight did drop, it then plateaued and rose back to pretty much where I started again.

    Almost exactly 15-years later I tried to lose weight, but this time I did my own research starting from the point “Why do 95% of all diets fail”, which led me to the very poorly funded research on insulin response and how the body fights against calorie restriction and why the standard advice from doctors is not only wrong, it is dangerous and counter-productive.

    Here I am 12-weeks later and 24.4kg / 53.8lbs / 3.8st lighter, specifically because I knew that what PHE and the rest of these idiots were wrong from the start.

    I Look and feel 20-years younger, have reversed my sleep apnoea, pre-Type II diabetes, mild hypertension and I don’t even snore anymore (verified by SnoreLab for Android which I’ve been using every night for nearly 3-years)

    The NHS, BMA, PHE and others are the last people you should listen to for advice on weight loss, since their advice will screw up your metabolism and leave you worse off.

  11. Here I am 12-weeks later and 24.4kg / 53.8lbs / 3.8st lighter, specifically because I knew that what PHE and the rest of these idiots were wrong from the start.

    So what did you do! Slowly reduce portions / permanent lifestyle? Cut the carbs (reduce the insulin yo-yoing)? Other (incl not related to food) / combos?

    The real test of course is always longer term?

  12. So what did you do!

    I did it in stages:
    1. No longer keep alcohol in the house, only drink at social gatherings and then very limited.

    2. No longer buy fast food, take away meals or processed food only raw ingredients and make everything personally by hand from scratch.

    3. Dropped all sugar and most carbohydrates (excluding fibrous fruit / vegetables) and anything containing artificial stimulants, colourings, flavourings and preservatives.

    4. Moved from eating 3 meals a day to 2 meals a day and finally down to just 1 meal a day (OMAD), fixed to within a 1 hour period every day (essentially 23/1 intermittent fasting)

    5. Moved to 5:2 Fast regime at the end of November, but found it too tame for me, so gradually increased the frequency and intensity at a pace I could handle. The first 72 hour fast was a nightmare of gnawing hunger and headaches, but after that all hunger abated and apart from periodic Grehlin waves which I placate with cups of green tea, I have not felt hungry since then.

    Currently doing One Meal A Week (OMAW) and fasting for the remaining 165hrs and it is actually very easy. I have plenty of energy and no longer suffer from the ups and downs that I used to get when I was eating large amounts of complex carbohydrates.

    Should hit my goals between April and May at which point I will switch to a balanced diet at a maintenance level of calories based upon my calculated TDEE, probably with 5:2 thrown in to keep the weight stable.

    Age: 51 (Male)
    Height: 173cm / 5″8′
    Weight at start: 116kg / 256 lbs / 18.3st / BMI 38 “Obese Class II (Moderate-Risk obesity)”

    Current weight: 91.6kg / 201.9 lbs / 14.4st / BMI 30 “Obese Class I (Low-Risk obesity)”

    Weight Lost: 24.4kg / 53.8lbs / 3.8st / 21.0% Body Weight

    Weight Target: 68KG / 149lbs / 10.6st / BMI 22 “Healthy” / Projected to hit around Mid April 2018

    Stretch Target: 60KG / 132lbs / 9.4st / BMI 20 “Healthy” / Projected to hit during Early May 2018

    Stretch Target 2: 55.4KG / 122.1lbs / 8.7st / BMI 18.5 “Healthy” / Projected to hit during Late May 2018

    A good introduction is available from Dr. Fung at Intensive Dietary Management.

    https://idmprogram.com/1-rule-fasting/

  13. OK, that is pretty ambitious, wrt targets..:) I can only wish you good luck (seriously)!

    But re content, that’s fascinating.

    Personally, I’ve always found the change of life style approach (more gradual) to be very effective over long periods of time, and it’s because it’s pretty much habitual, it’s not ever “a diet” after which one celebrates “a win” or anything like that.

    But some similar concepts to the above, re just not eating for periods and approach to carbs cals, but as I say a lot less extreme.

    Good luck with the transition from the above to “maintenance” – many will say that that’s the hardest part of all, especially as the metabolism is also rapidly re-adjusting (to fewer cals as one is ligher, needs less) at the same time.

    And thanks for the link.

  14. Eliminating three meals a day was one component of how I lost a lot of weight eight years ago, but eliminating sugar and carbs was impossible as a large part of my diet was the fruit and potatoes I grew in the garden. From memory I was averaging a few sandwiches a day and a cooked meal twice a week, very little meat, but the twice-weekly 12-mile cycling to the shops and social life was probably a significant factor.

    I think it may have impacted my decision-making abilities as on several things I moved from thinking through decisions to acting on impulse.

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