34 comments on “‘Ang on a minute

  1. Indeed we have.

    Any and all predictions based on the it’s all CO2 conjecture are ignored shamelessly when they’re inconvenient.

    This is the simplest (but very far from the only) tell that said conjecture is bollocks.

  2. They should be glad they don’t live in North America, currently being buried under the white stuff by winter storm Xanto with another scheduled for next week. Plenty of record breaking cold. Of course it’s just a coincidence we’ve had a very inactive sun through cycle 24 as are the differences in temperature between day and night, summer and winter.

  3. Oh ye of little faith!

    Remember the mantra: late spring? snowstorms of unusual lateness? – silly boys, that’s **weather**, not ** climate**.

    Luckily, this can be used to explain everything.

  4. bloke in spain – “But why the photo of a group of MPs?”

    Because of Gerbill Moaning, a lot of villages have lost their idiots?

  5. Incidentally, over at the other place (where I will eventually register when I get around to it) there is an article on shipping pollution and global warming.

    That rung a bell. I dimly remember that back about a decade ago the New Scientist ran an article on evidence that shipping plumes actually cool the planet – there is some evidence that airplane contrails do too as the planet warmed slightly after 9-11. Thanks to the magic of our Evil Emperors of Mongo over at Google:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12658-shipping-smoke-plumes-cool-the-atmosphere/

    Besides, the cheapest option is simply to pump it over the side. An exhaust pipe some feet down would probably do just fine. CO2 is highly soluble in water.

  6. “Remember the mantra: late spring? snowstorms of unusual lateness? – silly boys, that’s **weather**, not ** climate**.”

    No thats wrong, the latest ‘argument’ is that its all climate change caused by CO2. Thus if it gets hotter, or colder, or wetter, or drier, or windier, or calmer, its all the fault of CO2. Its the perfect unfalsifiable theory. Any weather event that is off the very narrow average band of usual occurrences can be called an ‘extreme weather’ event, and thus is the result of climate change.

    And people say exactly that. Somewhere I read that when the US was experiencing that very cold winter a while back climate change shills were genuinely suggesting that the cold weather was the result of climate change and thus CO2 was to blame. Yes, the greenhouse effect creates colder weather, apparently.

  7. Anyone who believes that CO2 controls is the climate is ******.

    There is literally NO evidence, merely theories which the facts, as bloody-minded as ever, disprove over and over again.

    Computer modelling results are not facts.

    The scam is full of lies about every aspect:
    historically 400 parts per million is low. Below 200 is dangerous for life.
    Tony Heller at realclimatescience.com has demonstrated and continues to do so on a daily basis that the data is tortured to death to produce the desired result.
    More and more ‘data’ is estimated (imagine)
    Climategate
    IPPC people stating that it has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with economic redistribution to the third world (who of course control the UN).
    Global cooling changes to global warming changes to climate change (the climate has, of course always changed.

    I could (and frequently do) go on for ever….

  8. ‘Haven’t we been told for years now that spring is getting ever earlier as a result of climate change?’

    Yes. And this year, spring is late . . . due to climate change.

  9. Great Britain has weather, the rest of the world not surrounded by ocean currents has climate.
    So what we want to know is whether places like Minsk and Irkutsk ( similar latitude as the population centres of GB ) are having earlier springs. I don’t think those countries will be in the mood to share their data with us though.

  10. P.S There’s some wonderful cherry blossom out around here, and the magnolias are looking pretty good. By God the ground’s soggy though.

  11. It’s been several years since ‘Global Warming’ (too specific) morphed into ‘Climate Change’ (can mean anything we want).

  12. “It’s been several years since ‘Global Warming’ (too specific) morphed into ‘Climate Change’ (can mean anything we want).”

    The switch happened when the data showed no warming for over decade or more from the late 90s, even after the usual suspects had adjusted the data in their favour. Around the late 00s and early 10s there was a subtle shift from one to the other.

  13. Surely the planet should be warming because of a reduction in man-caused cooling? Since the industrial revolution we’ve been pumping out huge quantities of particles (soot, etc.) which we know cools the planet (by cloud formation, IIRC). In the last 30 years or so we’ve greatly cleaned up our act & lost this cooling effect so the planet should respond by recovering to its “non-pollution” temperature.

    I would expect the climate change models to account for this & show that CO2 is actually doing SFA.

    Perhaps someone with a little more knowledge can explain why I’m wrong here?

  14. By God the ground’s soggy though.

    I was fooled by a day of sunny warm weather yesterday to stride purposely across a field; before long I was striding with less purpose and more mud.

  15. Models can be easily adjusted to meet whatever is demanded of them. Data is routinely ‘adjusted’ and by a freak coincidence the adjusted data matches what people claim is happening.

  16. As the great John von Neumann (a man who knew a thing or two about computers) observed:
    If you allow me four free parameters I can build a mathematical model that describes exactly everything that an elephant can do. If you allow me a fifth free parameter, the model I build will forecast that the elephant will fly.

    I don’t know how many free parameters there are in global climate models, but it must be well into three figures.

  17. @Bongo, April 15, 2018 at 1:11 pm

    Great Britain has weather, the rest of the world not surrounded by ocean currents has climate.

    Madeira is similar to UK. The only aspect one can rely on is – like UK – winter is colder than summer.

    What’s Iceland like?

  18. We haven’t had a proper summer here this year. It’s supposed to get dry mid-December and then stay sunny and calm until May. Instead it’s been intermittently wet and windy and now the rainy season has started early. Is it La Niña? El Niño? Gerbil Wormening? Magnetic pole reversal? Nibiru? Space Bats? I have no idea. I suspect neither does anyone else.

  19. “All models are wrong, some are useful”. George E. P. Box

    “I don’t know how many free parameters there are in global climate models, but it must be well into three figures.”

    It will be enough to make sure that all those produced using tax payers money or produced by true believers all produce the same approved answers. If they don’t its axiomatic that they have been produced by neo liberal climate deniers.

    On the state of the weather or green keepers are really struggling to complete the spring renovation of the greens and get them fit for the season. By this time of the year we’d expect the greens to be speeding up and be quite true and they are dreadful.

  20. “… we’ve been pumping out huge quantities of particles (soot, etc.) …”

    “Huge”? What the fuck is huge? Volcanoes do huge. Forest fires do huge. We little piss ants do fuck all.

    AGW, climate change, glowball wormening are all gigantic ego events for people of no consequence whatsoever.

  21. “It’s been several years since ‘Global Warming’ (too specific) morphed into ‘Climate Change’ (can mean anything we want).”

    You have to be a high priest in the movement to know what ‘Climate Change’ means. All else must obey.

    Global Mean Temperature is potentially measurable. ‘Climate Change’ is not. The reason for the change.

  22. “You have to be a high priest in the movement to know what ‘Climate Change’ means.”

    And you can even buy indulgences, sorry, I mean ‘Carbon Credits’.

  23. @Fred
    I’m no climate alarmist, but CO2 emissions from volcanoes are less than 1% of those produced by humans (0.2Gt v 25Gt pa). If a supervolcano (like the one under Yellowstone) were to let go, this could change – but then we’d have more to worry about than climate change.

    What is true, is that human CO2 emissions are a relatively small proportion of the totality of emissions from all natural processes, but they are naturally balanced by absorption.

  24. Meanwhile here in New Zealand, our idiot coalition Government have just banned any further oil and gas exploration. The existing gas fields have about 10 years life left so it will be interesting to know how we are to charge all the electric cars we are meant to be buying.The greenies in government will also prevent any further addition to hydro dam building and have their eyes on the dairy sector because of all the cow farts.
    We also have a Minister who is demanding a zero road death toll by 2020. Oh the joys of MMP elections.

  25. @Chris Miller: no one has the faintest idea about CO2 production by volcanoes as most are under water and more continually being discovered eg the extra 90 running along and under the Western Antarctic Peninsula (the bits where ice has melted). Do not forget the spreading ridges which run about the globe a vast undersea range of volcanic emissions as new basalt becomes new ocean floor. I don’t know where you got your figures but I’ Certain they are a huge understatement.

  26. Johnd2008 – in fairness being unable to power vehicles will make achieving a zero road death toll almost inevitable so at least that is consistent.

    I must also point out that cows belching not farting is the main source of dairy emissions, usually I would let this pass but after the big toothed ones declaration the fuel duty was an excise and not a tax; thus raising it was not breaking an election promise I feel it is an important distinction to make.

  27. So…we were warned that the planet was heating up which became “Global Warming” (TM)

    Then mean temperatures actually went DOWN which became “Climate Change”(TM)

    Now we are informed that weather is not climate. If the two are not correlated why the fuck should we care?

  28. “Do not forget the spreading ridges which run about the globe a vast undersea range of volcanic emissions as new basalt becomes new ocean floor.”

    MMGW’s little sister is sea level rise. Driving my GT350 is causing sea level to go up 1.7 mm/yr (Oh, my!).

    It takes a special kind of stupid to think that man is influencing sea level when there is a 40,000 mile active volcano ridge in the oceans. MMGW and SLR are from the Deification of Man wing of the environmentalist movement.

    But as Fred Z says, in the grand scheme of things, we are pipsqueaks.

  29. no one has the faintest idea about CO2 production by volcanoes as most are under water and more continually being discovered

    We can measure the CO2 content of the atmosphere with exquisite accuracy, and there’s a very good match between the observed increase and the CO2 known to be emitted by humans. If there were a vast number of undiscovered volcanoes emitting additional CO2, we’d see it – and we don’t.

    There are many good reasons to criticise climate alarmism, but “anthropic CO2 emissions are dwarfed by volcanoes” isn’t one of them.

  30. Handy link answering question: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/01/northern-hemisphere-sees-in-early-spring-due-global-warming

    “Northern hemisphere sees in early spring due to global warming

    “While these earlier springs might not seem like a big deal – and who among us doesn’t appreciate a balmy day or a break in dreary winter weather – they pose significant challenges for planning and managing important issues that affect our economy and our society,” says one of the authors of the report, Dr Jake Weltzin, a USGS ecologist and national director of the USA National Phenology Network.

  31. @Chris Miller… We can measure the CO2 content of the atmosphere with exquisite accuracy,

    Indeed, we can measure the CO2 content of the atmosphere half-way up Mauna Loa, which is interestingly an active volcano, but I’ve seen results from ad hoc tests from other locations around the world that indicate that these levels are far from uniform.

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