30 comments on “The Sun rose this morning, Theresa to blame insists Jezza

  1. Crisis? What crisis?

    The only problem I see is that the refusal to defend sensible immigration policies – no matter how poorly carried out – will make it harder to carry out sensible immigration policies in the future.

    And by “sensible” I mean deporting everyone who has arrived since Windrush.

  2. The grovelling by May and her government over this is disgusting. Now they want to pay the ‘victims’ compensation? I’d say they’ve been more than compensated by being allowed to live here.

  3. “Theresa May to blame,” says Jeremy Corbyn. It’s why the term ‘Dog-whistle politics’ was invented. The guy’s a prick, has always been a prick, will always be a prick.

  4. It’s an interesting one. If the government lost all records of you, would you be able to prove from your own records that you and your family were not illegal immigrants? When it comes to illegal immigration, are you innocent until proven guilty, or guilty until proven innocent?

  5. To be fair, she was home secretary for quite a long time while this was going on so it does seem fair that she take some of the blame.

  6. Being fair to Theresa May is not a trend one would wish to initiate.

    But have to disagree with the title of the post.
    Jezza would, of course, claim credit for the sun rising. As he would all previous sunrises. Those being the legacy of past Labour governments in conjunction with word-wide people’s socialism. The sun does not rise over Amerika, which everyone knows cowers under the perpetual night brought by rampant capitalism.

  7. Some time after Theresa May arrived at the Home Office commentators started to suggest that the cessation of its regular output of small disasters was evidence that the institution was being brought under control. Instead, it seems that its hard-pressed staff would have been offering profuse apologies for disappointing expectations of regular small disasters because they working flat out on a really big one.

  8. It’s an interesting one. If the government lost all records of you, would you be able to prove from your own records that you and your family were not illegal immigrants? When it comes to illegal immigration, are you innocent until proven guilty, or guilty until proven innocent?

    Yes.

    Because I have not only the originals of our residency permits, but several photocopies of them. If they magically disappeared too, all my employers have copies that they could supply.

  9. I’m not sure the Government lost any records. It was more that rather than resort to relevant departments and check social security and tax records, they insisted individuals provide bank statements and rent books from 20-30yrs ago.

  10. So how long are government required to keep the paperwork for?
    Is it only government departments who can keep paperwork?

  11. @ NiV

    The simplest thing would be for the government to secure the border and then anyone in the UK would not need to be questioned on citizenship.

    And before any student (mass) debater says what about tourists – securing the borders means checking people in and then making sure they leave when they have to.

  12. @JuliaM

    Thanks Julia. As someone whose family came to Britain over 130 years ago to escape being murdered by our mahoundian friends, I’m eternally grateful that I’m allowed to live in the most tolerant country on the planet. And it really pisses me off when others aren’t.

  13. whose family came to Britain over 130 years ago to escape being murdered by our mahoundian friends

    Might that have been in Armenia?

    I have close relatives who are not allowed to come here to live despite being as culturally British as I am ( which is to say, very). I really can’t put into words how much I despise those who, although not culturally British at all, seem to think that they are doing us all a bloody big favour by coming here to receive our generosity.

    And how ever much I despise them, I despise race-hustling politicians even more.

  14. I’m a bit surprised they didn’t go after Sir Cliff – after all, he wasn’t born here was he? Shouldn’t a BBC reporter have een present at Immigration when he was refused entry?

  15. The largest increase in illegal immigration in Canada is Nigerians with US visas crossing the border, instead of sending them packing they are pouring money into helping them, hard to see how they qualify as refugees but that’s how they are being treated

  16. Even stopped clocks are right twice a day – I’m minded to throw Jez’s latest pronouncement into that category.

  17. “And how ever much I despise them, I despise race-hustling politicians even more.”

    It’s the sense of ‘Entitlement’ they exude that angries up the blood.

  18. As said the FFC is Jizza’s greatest asset.

    Although in this case I suspect a put up job by SCS shite looking to promote CM pro-migrant agit-prop.

  19. She was one of the longest serving Home Secretaries ever and demonstrated little sign of improvement over the two previous, also useless, Labour Home Secretaries. She is only Prime Minister due to the Remainiac tendency and for similar reasons so is her successor at the Home Office, Amber Rudd, who it is clear sees the role as merely a holding pattern for her ‘well deserved’ (not) #metoo driven procession to number 10. In fact with Jacqui Smith the three of them form a triumpherate of over-promoted, box ticking, quota driven inadequates at Home secretary. Alan Johnson made a brief, male, interruption, but basically the Home Office has been run by the sisterhood for over a decade now and is a testament to the value of quotas. Having said that, Lin Homer still makes them look extremely able and talented.

  20. “NiV

    It’s an interesting one. If the government lost all records of you, would you be able to prove from your own records that you and your family were not illegal immigrants?”

    I’ve got my birth certificate and that of my dad.

    My mum has her birth certificate.

    It shows where we were born.

    And the government would have to go some to lose all records of my family as we’ve been appearing on the national census at least as far back as 1821.

    This whole “Windrush” thing has been blown massively out of proportion by the usual shroud-waving, breast beating, virtue signalling, Tory bashing twats such as yourself as if it’s some sort of humanitarian crisis. I’ll bet if the so-called human tragedies were properly investigated there’d be fuck-all reality behind the claims.

    Meantime, as others have mentioned, we live in mealy mouthed, lilly-livered times where politicians fall over themselves to apologise to people they ought to be telling to fuck of, grow up and get things in proportion. There’s been a paperwork balls-up. Sometimes happens in the UK and is just about the worse thing you’re likely to suffer.

  21. @ Andrew C
    While the Windrush thing has been blown out of all proportion, it is very very far from there being “fuck all” behind the claims. The problem isn’t so much that there are queries over these people – but the way these people are declared illegal immigrants first, allow them to try and prove their case later.
    Once someone is declared an illegal immigrant then the shit really hits the fan for them. It is ILLEGAL to employ them even if they’ve been working for you for decades. It’s illegal to rent them a home even if they’ve been living in it for years. So there you are, nice and settled with a job and home – then suddenly you are out on your ear with no job, no benefits, no home.
    That really really isn’t the way to treat people.

    And yes, as already mentioned, Treasonous May was Home Secretary for a fair while – introducing many toxic policies and generally showing an attitude that everyone is guilty (especially men simply for being men) of something, they just haven’t decided what of yet.

  22. @ NiV
    “If the government lost all records of you, would you be able to prove from your own records that you and your family were not illegal immigrants?”
    YES
    Birth Certificates, Marriage Certificates, Baptismal records, but also – all, or most, of which should be available to the “Windrush Generation” – school reports, photographs, press cuttings (inc school magazines which feature most kids at some time in their school career), correspondence dating back before 1971, some aged passports identifying parents as subjects of Her Britannic Majesty, and, (less likely for “Windrush generation”) my father-in-law’s commission.

    In any case, the government has NOT lost all its records just a few of them. National Archives has a set of records almost duplicating those lost and there are Census records, stored away, for 1951,1961, …. 2011.

    Am I expected to believe that no-one, absolutely no-one, from your school can remember you?

  23. @ Mark T
    As an honest male I feel obliged to point out that it was a man, Charles Clarke, who commented that the Home Office that he inherited from David Blunkett was “not fit for purpose”.
    I consider that Jacqui Smith should have been prosecuted for obtaining money under false pretences, but apart from that there is no particular reason to denounce female Home Secretaries as worse than male – no woman Home Secretary has done as much ill as Woy Jenkins.

  24. The Home Office is unbelievably shit, an absolute world leader in incompetence. I wonder how many civil servants have been dismissed from the Home Office because of this? I estimate zero.

    It doesn’t matter who the Home Secretary is, it is unmanageable. There are no consequences for fucking up to the people who do the fucking up, they know the Minister will always get the blame. Is anyone surprised the whole thing is a mess?

  25. @ Simon

    “…but the way these people are declared illegal immigrants first, allow them to try and prove their case later.
    Once someone is declared an illegal immigrant then the shit really hits the fan for them. It is ILLEGAL to employ them even if they’ve been working for you for decades. It’s illegal to rent them a home even if they’ve been living in it for years. So there you are, nice and settled with a job and home – then suddenly you are out on your ear with no job, no benefits, no home.”

    They aren’t being ‘declared illegal’. Stop being dramatic. They are being asked to prove that they are legal.

    So should people be presumed legal immigrants and it then be up to the Home Office to prove conclusively that they are not?

    Really?

    Or should a decade of being here illegally grant you the right to stay? If you’ve never had the right to have that job or live in that home you should be given it for having evaded the authorities?

    And still, 95% of the stories seem to be about someone who knows someone who had something terrible done to them by the Home Office or someone who was threatened with something terrible which in the end didn’t happen.

    And yes, it’s all evil May’s fault. This being (apparently) a long-term fall out of a change introduced by the Immigration Act 1988 which Labour have had no chance to do anything about since.

    It looks like a cock-up of legislation that started in 1973 when commonwealth citizens who were here had a indefinite leave to remain and wives (but not husbands) had a right to join them, as did children. In 1988 the right of wives and children to come here was removed and anyone leaving lost their right to return after two years’ absence. A right old fuck up of rules that probably none of the people involved were aware of.

    Probably means quite a lot of people who THINK they are here legally actually aren’t.

    I’d be tempted to grant generous amnesties if people could show they arrived round about that time and have some sort of record showing they’ve been here.

    the Tories have been at fault here as they finally got around to actually implementing rules that had been around for decades but have done it in a shit manner.

    But Labour could have done something about this in the 13 years they were in power and didn’t so they can fuck off too.

    Meantime, like I say, let’s have the full facts behind these humanitarian crisis individuals before rushing to give them a barrow load of cash.

  26. “Birth Certificates, Marriage Certificates, Baptismal records, but also – all, or most, of which should be available to the “Windrush Generation” – school reports, photographs, press cuttings (inc school magazines which feature most kids at some time in their school career), correspondence dating back before 1971, some aged passports identifying parents as subjects of Her Britannic Majesty, and, (less likely for “Windrush generation”) my father-in-law’s commission.”

    And when you think about it, that’s actually stronger evidence than a record on a file that anyone could get hold of.

    “But Labour could have done something about this in the 13 years they were in power and didn’t so they can fuck off too.”

    Yeah. We wouldn’t be talking about immigration if government’s hadn’t gone big on it, then spent years pretending to do something about it, labelling people racists etc.

  27. Windrush passenger lists are searchable at the National Archives website, online. I know because my family left the UK in 1951 (actually on the Windrush) and I’ve since seen the listing.

    Nobody is worse treated than forces families by immigration law. My dad was born in India, his father was in the Army. Three of my siblings were born in Imperial India, now Pakistan. One of my brother’s kids was born in Malta before independence. She is British on all sides. But had a hell of a time getting a passport when she grew up. Third generation Army kid. Not Maltese, not Pakistani (would even my brother be allowed to be Pakistani having been born before the country existed?)

    A complete mess, never taken into account in any of the laws which so pathetically failed to keep anybody out.

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