28 comments on “It is to laugh

  1. “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”

  2. “I am a Libertarian-ist,
    But freedom drives me round the twist,
    Little folk are much too twee
    Unless they do what they are told by Mee”

    The return of Sir Simon* eh? Having belaboured O’s arse to the point of boredom the cunt is back to tell wretched little oiks everywhere how they are going wrong and why he and his womi fuck-buddies know so much how your life should be run.

    Go home Sir S and get O to piss on you. It would be a vastly more productive user of your time than smearing your dictatorial ordure over the already malodourous Guardian. And it would be less humiliating than exposing your jumped-up womiccumalobus arrogance to the world.

    *Yes, I remember that last time Sir Scumbag was featured on the blog a pervert pointed out that the character in the “Story of O ” is called Sir Steven. But it is much too good a trope to ignore so artistic licence rules.

  3. Before we are too harsh on ‘Sir’ Simon, we must consider that he simply has no idea what the word libertarian means.

    I’ve not really taken any notice of the FOBT debate; I know Guido keep banging on about it. But now I know Jenkins is agin ’em, then it is clear they are a good thing.

  4. Guardian pop-up:

    ‘We’re changing how we communicate with you.’

    Communication is two-way. Professional journalists don’t know the meaning of ‘communicate.’ Or they just lie.

    No ‘or’ to it. They just lie. Openly, seemingly gratuitously.

  5. ‘I’m a libertarian, but still I say betting curbs are long overdue’

    This is actually a victory. ‘I’m a libertarian’ is a declaration of orthodoxy. He’s not a libertarian, but his feeling that he should say he is is a nod to the validity of libertarianism.

    It’s a start.

  6. The statement is an interesting one because what is the opposite? I am a prod-nosed control freak? It doesn’t sound anywhere near as nice.

    It is an odd fact that the libertarians seem to have the higher ground here. Everyone prefers, in general, more liberty and freedom. It is just worthless because in virtually every specific case people want more regulation. At least for their pet peeve. Or if it is to Save The Children.

  7. I’m a libertarian BUT

    I believe in free speech BUT

    I am against private schooling BUT

    I want more houses built BUT

    I’m against racial discrimination BUT

    No doubt there are more.

  8. Here’s one.

    I’m not sure about the wisdom of capital punishment BUT I’ll make an exception for Tony Blair. Nt that that’s one you’ll ever hear on the Beeb or read in the G.

  9. Everyone prefers, in general, more liberty and freedom.

    Well, it’s a nice thought, but I’m not convinced it’s correct.

    Everyone likes to say they are in favour of liberty and freedom but the evidence suggests otherwise.

  10. It’s not so much that Guido banged on about them, as much as he carried paid advertorials from the casino funded campaign against them. Which shows a great deal of cunning on stuff campaign’s part, putting thinly veiled propaganda where a large proportion of MPs and path hacks would be sure to see it.

  11. “Didn’t some fuckwit once describe themselves as a “libertarian paternalist”?”

    That was those “Nudge” wankers

  12. @dearieme,

    The Eddard Stark quote is apposite here:
    “Everything before the word ‘but’ is horseshit”

  13. I almost choked on my tea when I read that this morning, and annoyingly they’d closed the comments by the time I got up. More and more you need to be up at dawn to be able to comment on the Grun articles.

    He’s no way a libertarian because I know that I am not a libertarian, I am a liberal: do what you like as long as it doesn’t harm others. The definition and measurement of “harm others” is then what is (should be) the core of discussions, not the “stop people doing stuff”.

  14. “Everyone prefers, in general, more liberty and freedom.”

    Preferences are, in order:
    1. *We* get to tell *everyone else* what to do.
    2. More liberty and freedom.
    3. Somebody else tells *us* what to do.

    The reason libertarians never get elected is that everyone invariably votes in the optimistic hopes of getting option 1, and always end up with option 3.

  15. The definitions of what is harmful to others keeps extending. I’ve read that fatties are more likely to have fat friends, and because this link might be causal, you must be cajoled into thinness under threat of being made poor by the government, because you are reducing the healthy life chances of your fellow humans.

  16. Bongo,

    That’s not the way it will work.

    It will become mandatory to have a certain %age of bloated “friends” unless you, yourself, are at least 80%+ of an Abbot (105mm not either monk nor Jeremphialiast – although she’s probably a good proportion of the mass of an artillery piece in her , shudders, grundies.)

  17. NiV – “The reason libertarians never get elected is that everyone invariably votes in the optimistic hopes of getting option 1, and always end up with option 3.”

    Indeed. And at the moment Option 3 is your tranny friends and their refusal to accept reality. I would accept the libertarian option but that is not available. The question is whose Option 3 is on the menu.

  18. @SMFS & dearieme

    I’m a libertarian BUT

    Not if you:

    Are Goth, TV/TS – Save The Children

    Are a biker

    Park your car outside my house….

  19. “Preferences are, in order:
    1. *We* get to tell *everyone else* what to do.
    2. More liberty and freedom.
    3. Somebody else tells *us* what to do.

    The reason libertarians never get elected is that everyone invariably votes in the optimistic hopes of getting option 1, and always end up with option 3.”

    Kip’s Law.

  20. “More and more you need to be up at dawn to be able to comment on the Grun articles.”

    That’s because they are going broke. The bandwidth costs of downloading substantially more comment than original article is killing them.

    Plus the authors are ever more resentful of the popularity of the comments and their painfully accurate criticisms.

  21. “Indeed. And at the moment Option 3 is your tranny friends and their refusal to accept reality. I would accept the libertarian option but that is not available. The question is whose Option 3 is on the menu.”

    At the moment you’re still trying to figure out how to vote for option 1 to stamp on this new TG trend. You’re going to get option 3, which is society stamping on the transphobes.

    Option 2 gives more liberty and freedom to everyone. That includes you, but it also includes the transgender. So long as you put 1 ahead of 2, you’re always going to end up with 3.

    Until people put 2 ahead of 1, nothing will change.

  22. “Licence they mean when they say Liberty”

    If someone with a better memory can give the exact quote, I shall be grateful – meanwhile just take the point.

  23. I did but prompt the age to quit their clogs
    By the known rules of ancient liberty,
    When straight a barbarous noise environs me
    Of owls and cuckoos, asses, apes, and dogs;
    As when those hinds that were transformed to frogs
    Railed at Latona’s twin-born progeny,
    Which after held the Sun and Moon in fee.
    But this is got by casting pearl to hogs,
    That bawl for freedom in their senseless mood,
    And still revolt when Truth would set them free.
    Licence they mean when they cry Liberty;
    For who loves that must first be wise and good:
    But from that mark how far they rove we see,
    For all this waste of wealth and loss of blood.

    On the Same, John Milton.

    Of course, always when authoritarians are justifying why they need to take our freedoms away, ‘Liberty they mean when they cry Licence…’

    Who gets to decide which is which? You? (Option 1.) Or them? (Option 3.)

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