We can learn one thing from this

Poorer people eat food which is not good for them because it provides “comfort, solace and pleasure”, Michael Gove has said.

Gove has read his Orwell.

What will be interesting is to see how many people will scream about this – people who haven’t read their Orwell.

21 comments on “We can learn one thing from this

  1. “comfort, solace and pleasure”

    It is a remarkable assumption that the body does not know what it needs and wants. That someone sitting in Whitehall can commission a study by some Upper Middle Class frauds who have never done a real day’s work in their lives and *that* knows better than our taste buds and desires what is good for us.

    Remarkable.

    People have got fat because they have been listening to government advice. Which has been comprehensively wrong. The only sound thing the government should do is shut the f88k up. Aside from that they should tell people to eat a little of everything they like and do some moderate exercise. The rest is nonsense.

  2. Why do overweight people who are not poor (I.e. most of the overweight population) eat too much bad food then?

  3. Gove seems to have lifted the whole thing – Orwell and all – from an article in the Times a week or so ago, IIRC.
    Do him for plagiarism?

  4. What will be interesting is to see how many people will scream about this – people who haven’t read their Orwell.

    Even more people will scream about this despite having said the exact same thing the previous week.

  5. SMFS nails it.

    WTF does any of it have to do with that short-arsed, four-square-eyed, sell-out artisty little bullshitter anyway?

    Is he the FFC’s pretentious, sanctimonious bullshit expert? If so, he should be complaining about demarcation because the vile, stupid hag dispenses plenty of such herself and thus renders him superfluous.

    Which would at least be in line with the judgement of history upon Gove anyway.

  6. ” That someone sitting in Whitehall can commission a study by some Upper Middle Class frauds who have never done a real day’s work in their lives and *that* knows better than our taste buds and desires what is good for us.”

    Amen to that SMfS

    It always seems to me that government dietary recommendations are based around people sitting around in heated, air-conditioned offices punctuating their days with some occasional light word processing. The idea that the majority of employment is not in what might be called “administration” escapes them. Who the hell do they think administrators administrate?

  7. What gets me about this while “obesity is the fault of inequality” argument is that it totally misses the point that you only get fat if you eat too much. And no-one is being force-fed!
    So what if your diet is all take-away? You’ll get fat if you eat the whole portion all the time.
    Obesity is a volume thing. If you can afford to eat too much, you can clearly afford to eat less.

  8. ‘because it provides “comfort, solace and pleasure”’

    WTF: If you are rich, your food cannot provide comfort, solace and pleasure.

    WTF2: Poor are not allowed to have comfort, solace and pleasure.

  9. I thought I knew Orwell as well as anyone but I don`t recognise this . Orwell was writing at a time when obesity was almost unknown and malnutrition was a pressing problem in London`s East End .
    I think working people , especially men have got fat because their view of food is the same as it was,its cheaper ,and they do not work physically all day every day .

    Personally I am very fit indeed

  10. Personally I am very fit indeed

    “…Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer
    He’s also a fantastic swimmer
    And if you play your cards right
    Then he just might come round for dinner
    He’s Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer”

  11. “I think working people , especially men have got fat because their view of food is the same as it was,its cheaper ,and they do not work physically all day every day”

    They get fat because they eat too much. Ibid.

  12. @Gamecock, June 6, 2018 at 11:46 am

    WTF2: Poor are not allowed to have comfort, solace and pleasure.

    Gov’t says they’re not. They should live a miserable life. Hence punitive alcohol & tobacco taxes, the sugar tax on “pop” [confectionery next]; Scotland’s minimum alcohol price (eg was £1.99 now £5.00).

    imho It’s evil.

  13. Well, Newmania, you obviously don’t know your Orwell as well as anyone, as Tim was obviously referring to a famous passage from The Road to Wigan Pier.

    Would it not be better if they spent more money on wholesome things like oranges and wholemeal bread or if they even, like the writer of the letter to the New Statesman, saved on fuel and ate their carrots raw? Yes, it would, but the point is that no ordinary human being is ever going to do such a thing. The ordinary human being would sooner starve than live on brown bread and raw carrots. And the peculiar evil is this, that the less money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food. A millionaire may enjoy breakfasting off orange juice and Ryvita biscuits; an unemployed man doesn’t. Here the tendency of which I spoke at the end of the last chapter comes into play. When you are unemployed, which is to say when you are underfed, harassed, bored, and miserable, you don’t want to eat dull wholesome food. You want something a little bit ‘tasty’. There is always some cheaply pleasant thing to tempt you.

  14. “Poorer people eat food which is not good for them because it provides “comfort, solace and pleasure””

    Food is defined as “not good for them” precisely because it provides comfort, solace and pleasure.

    The easiest way to control good people is through guilt. You make up masses of ambiguous and inconsistent rules that are difficult or impossible to follow, so that the good will feel guilty about breaking them. A good man who has been falsely accused will fight for their principles to the death. But a good man who knows he is actually guilty will surrender in shame. Rules that everyone breaks sells the story that people are naturally / inherently bad, and need to be controlled by society to make them good. Selling the story that people breaking the rules are hurting themselves justifies society controlling them “for their own good”, and also paints those doing the controlling as working for the good, on the side of their victims, which further neutralises resistance.

    If you can persuade people they are fat, and that this is because they can’t control their own eating, then that justifies society taking totalitarian measures to control what they eat “for their own good and for the good of society”. Once that principle and precedent is set, the scope with which it may be applied can gradually be expanded.

    I don’t know whether Orwell ever said it explicitly, but there are numerous examples of the guilt principle in effect in his works.

  15. NiV – “If you can persuade people they are fat, and that this is because they can’t control their own eating, then that justifies society taking totalitarian measures to control what they eat “for their own good and for the good of society”. Once that principle and precedent is set, the scope with which it may be applied can gradually be expanded.”

    Soooooo …. even when NiV isn’t talking about trannies, he is actually talking about trannies?

  16. “Soooooo …. even when NiV isn’t talking about trannies, he is actually talking about trannies?”

    I’m always talking about liberty. Whether for the fat, or TGs, or smokers, or drinkers, or gun owners, or fox hunters, or racists/sexists/etc.-ists doing talks, or rich people, or whatever. I don’t make any distinction.

    The difference is – you do. You want to act like an SJW when it comes to things you don’t approve of, but complain like mad when they do the same thing to you.

    So yes, it’s all always ‘about trannies’. How you treat TGs is how you ought to be treated. How society treats TGs, and fat people, and all the other not-universally-popular yet harmless minorities, is how society ought to be judged.

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