Robert Reich is losing his mind

Imagine that an impeachment resolution against Trump passes the House. Trump claims it’s the work of the “deep state.” Fox News’s Sean Hannity demands every honest patriot take to the streets. Rightwing social media call for war. As insurrection spreads, Trump commands the armed forces to side with the “patriots.”

Or it’s November 2020 and Trump has lost the election. He charges voter fraud, claiming that the “deep state” organized tens of millions of illegal immigrants to vote against him, and says he has an obligation not to step down. Demonstrations and riots ensue. Trump commands the armed forces to put them down.

If these sound far-fetched, consider Trump’s torrent of lies, his admiration for foreign dictators, his off-hand jokes about being “president for life” (Xi Xinping “was able to do that,” he told admirers in March. “I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll give that a shot some day.’), and his increasing invocation of a “deep state” plot against him.

Sigh.

38 comments on “Robert Reich is losing his mind

  1. Reminds me of how he was grilled about if he would accept the election result and Hilary was high and mighty about it (expecting to win)

  2. Why would Reich think the military would side with Trump? *They are the Deep State*.

  3. Actually I think the conflict is between the spooks (CIA) and the military, Its interesting the NSA, via Admiral Rogers, sided with Trump.

    Maybe the military couldn’t ignore the stink form the spooks any more…?

  4. Demonstrations and riots ensue. Trump commands the armed forces to put them down.

    When I see people write things like this, I realise that far from being things they don’t want to happen, they are things they are desperate to happen. He’s just writing about his ultimate fantasies here. Just imagine the opportunities to “take care of” people you don’t like!

  5. ” A Leftie’s wank phantasy in three paragraphs.”

    Yup, projection as ever. This is what the Left would like to do (indeed do do in places like Venezuela) so assume their opponents would do likewise.

  6. So he despises Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister of Canada who in a televised interview, proclaimed his admiration for the Chinese political system, whereby they can make a decision at the highest levels and it becomes fact. 🙂

  7. Demonstrations and riots ensue. Trump commands the armed forces to put them down.

    I am having trouble seeing the down side. This is a dystopian fantasy?

    As Martin Niemöller probably would say if he were alive today,

    First they came for the Social Justice Warriors, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Social Justice Warrior.
    Then they came for the Grievance Studies professionals, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Grievance Studies professional.
    Then they came for the transsexuals, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was busy kicking back with some cold beers in my garden and life was pretty damn near perfect.

    The idea that Reich, Macron, Canada’s Zoolander and all the other Soy Boys in the world could deal even with the bitter angry ex-wives of the 300 million legal gun owners in America is a joke. Hell the Republican party could probably send in their twelve year old daughters to deal with them.

  8. A US president can’t “not stand down”, you cease to be president at the appointed hour regardless of your beliefs or anything else. Even if the president-elect is dead you don’t fail to cease to be prez, the vice-prez-elect is the president. Even if the former prez if holed up in the White House and armed to the teeth, he still has ceased to be the president.

  9. Trump should get the purges out of the way now and have Robert Reich go on a one-way helicopter ride. It would save so much time later on.

    But seriously, can you picture Reich when Trump crushes it in 2020? If you think they’re unhinged now, then they are going to surprise you.

  10. Imagine that Trump is impeached. That Trump goes (relatively) quietly to spend more time with his twitter feed, and America has President Mike Pence installed.
    In what parallel universe does Robert Reich feel happy with this outcome?

    I’m still bemused that the American liberals have flights of fantasy about impeaching Trump – it really won’t get them what they think they want!

  11. Steve Sailer has lots of fun baiting Reich, especially over his support of open borders her he is fanatical about keeping people out of his own manor, Malibu Beach.

  12. “Or it’s November 2020 and Trump has lost the election. He charges voter fraud, claiming that the “deep state” organized tens of millions of illegal immigrants to vote against him, and says he has an obligation not to step down. Demonstrations and riots ensue. Trump commands the armed forces to put them down.”

    I thought that had already happened? According to Dems Trump lost the popular vote at the election (overturned by the electoral college thing) as a result of fraud (tens of millions of illegal Russian immigrant bots!) and at his inauguration I seem to remember news footage of black-clad ninja rioters running around the streets ‘protesting’…

    So we already know what would happen. We’ve already seen it. Hardly a “far-fetched” scenario…

  13. Reich may be losing it, but Trump isn’t exactly a safe pair of hands at the moment. WTF was he thinking about when he brought up the idea of letting Russia back into the G7? Not even one of the 10 biggest economies in the world. So long as Russia keeps being as obstructive at the UN Security Council and generally setting out to undermine the West, Putin should be told to go hang.

  14. Alex, can I suggest that you misunderstand what he’s up too? That had nothing to do with Russia, and everything to do with throwing a bogyman into the G7 just before talks started.

  15. “WTF was he thinking about when he brought up the idea of letting Russia back into the G7?”

    I’d guess it was in exchange for something.

    I suspect a lot of the things Trump says and does are bargaining positions, that he can then be argued out of in exchange for something of more value. It’s a very old strategy.

  16. “Alex, can I suggest that you misunderstand what he’s up too? That had nothing to do with Russia, and everything to do with throwing a bogyman into the G7 just before talks started.”

    Screwing up the G7 meeting is probably not the smartest thing to do. And if that was part of a negotiation, he didn’t get much back. All it showed other G7 leaders is that he can be a bit of a jerk.

    As for NiV’s madman theory, that is a fine strategy when you are confronting your enemies. It isn’t so smart when you are dealing with NATO allies. My reaction, if I was one of the other G6 leaders, would have been to propose suspending the US from the G7.

  17. Alex,

    “My reaction, if I was one of the other G6 leaders, would have been to propose suspending the US from the G7.”

    The leaders of those nations are in no way brave enough to try such a thing. Trump has them over a barrel.

  18. “The leaders of those nations are in no way brave enough to try such a thing. Trump has them over a barrel.”

    I wouldn’t be so certain. There is or was a sales technique used by Goldman Sachs: if the buyer at a client won’t buy your product, go to their boss and get them fired. Similarly, the G6 leaders could simply announce that they won’t deal with Trump any more at the G6, but they would be happy to deal with other Americans who don’t have his attitude problem.

    If unanimous, that would fuel the fire in Washington, and would cause ructions both in the State Department, US Military and the CIA if they thought they might lose world cooperation.

  19. “There is or was a sales technique used by Goldman Sachs: if the buyer at a client won’t buy your product, go to their boss and get them fired.”

    Thing is, Trump’s boss is the American people. I am no expert on the Yanks, but I reckon that an attempt by the ‘G6’ to gang up on the USA would secure his position like nothing else.

    On the topic of the G7, why on earth are the moosefuckers part of it? If ever a nation needed chucking off the top table it is that one. I’d replace them with India, just to keep the Chinese on their toes.

  20. Why are that Canadians part of the G7? Because G7 membership requires a major economy and democratic rule of law/uncorrupted government. Also being an aid giver not a recipient.

    Excluding Trump from G7 meetings would send a strong message. That message would be “Your man is a flake, and we can get on better without him.”

  21. “As for NiV’s madman theory, that is a fine strategy when you are confronting your enemies. It isn’t so smart when you are dealing with NATO allies.”

    That would be funny – chucking the US out of NATO!

    The problem is that in some ways the G7 leaders *are* our enemies – they’re the EUrocrat, protectionist, leftist, mildly corrupt Blair-like political operators that infest the political classes.

    And they’ve got this game worked out down to a tee. They don’t have the actual military or economic clout to tell the United States what to do, but they get control anyway by defining the rules of international etiquette. “You can’t say that!” they say. “If you do you’ll come across as crass, stupid, controversial.” The political classes fear controversy like nothing else. So if you can stir up a Twitter storm and media ridicule every time a politician goes off message, they quickly learn to follow the narrative.

    The problem is, politicians assume that these reactions represent the views of the voters, rather than the views of the political and media elite. That the disconnect between the two has got so wide is why Trump won. It was at the core of his electoral strategy – he was selling to people who felt disenfranchised, so every time the media/political elite attacked him, he didn’t back off but instead attacked back. The attacks just made him even more popular with his political base, so he courted them, and provoked them. Portraying him as a volatile maniac helps him politically, precisely because of the sort of people who are calling him that. And it helps him in negotiating, as an obvious and genuine ‘loose cannon’ it makes everyone around a little more cautious about prodding him.

    He’s deliberately brash and aggressive and controversial, and refuses to fit in to the ‘polite’ behavioural limits they’ve tried to impose on him. You can’t get him to dance to your tune by making it the only politically or diplomatically ‘acceptable’ action, he is by now totally immune to all that, so you’ll have to give him something real.

    It’s like the NATO thing. Only 5 out of the 28 NATO members are paying the agreed contributions. The US pays, and everyone else gets a ride for free. But no American President ever did anything about that, because it would be the act of a maniac for the US pulls out from NATO, and leave most of these countries undefended! So the US can’t do anything to stop it, and tiny countries with no economic or military power of their own get to tell the US taxpayer to fund their defence for free.

    You can’t win that sort of fight by playing by their rules, and always only doing the polite, sensible, diplomatic thing. They’re not your friends.

  22. @NiV You misunderstand the purpose of the G7. It isn’t there to solve major problems or disputes, nor is it there to set one major country against another. It is all about motherhood and apple pie. It is there to show the rest of the world that leaders of the major western democracies can sit down in a room agree on simple matters – the bar is set pretty low so all can jump over it.

    The fact that Trump doesn’t realise that his role at these occasions is simply to glad hand and slap backs shows what a dick he is.

  23. “It is there to show the rest of the world that leaders of the major western democracies can sit down in a room agree on simple matters – the bar is set pretty low so all can jump over it.”

    That’s no problem. Just get the other G7 leaders to agree with Trump, and it’ll be glad hands and slapped backs all round.

  24. @NiV If Trump just stuck to the agenda and stopped insulting the rest of the party there wouldn’t be any disagreement. The problem is Trump can’t meet other politicians without trying to pick a fight with half of them. The rest of us might want to do the same, but we are grown up enough to realise that might not always be the best thing to do.

  25. “The rest of us might want to do the same, but we are grown up enough to realise that might not always be the best thing to do.”

    Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn’t. It may be as much a mistake not to pick a fight when you really need to, because that’s what people consider “grown up”, as vice versa.

    Trump has shown a long-standing policy of not letting conventional boundaries stop him from saying what he thinks needs to be said. Whether that policy is the right one, is wise, or will succeed, is for history for judge. But it’s not that he doesn’t know what he’s doing or that he’s breaking rules and stepping on toes unknowingly. It’s all deliberate, carefully considered, and a part of his long-term political strategy. He’s trying to carry across his skills and experience in the world of high-level business negotiations into the political sphere.

    It’s not what people are used to, and maybe it won’t work and won’t last, but I personally find it a refreshing change! I expect a lot of the people who voted for him do too. And if it works…

  26. but I personally find it a refreshing change!

    +1

    And stonkingly good fun to watch. And if it infuriates multiple broods of assorted bien pensants, what’s not to like.

  27. “And if it infuriates multiple broods of assorted bien pensants, what’s not to like.”

    But it won’t. They, even the ones more inclined to the Republican view of the world than the Democrat view will just ignore what he has to say until such time as he goes away. Trump’s tactics of (creepy) charm and intimidation may work well in a one-on-one with Kim Jong Un or other country heads, but in room full of leaders he just looks a prat, like a drunk spoiling for a fight in a bar.

  28. But it won’t.

    If you say so – I seem to manage a ringside seat most of the time? And some days I just can’t get the smile off my face…

  29. Alex,
    Not sure I agree with you here.

    Trump is suggesting re-admitting Russia because “we have a world to run”. Meanwhile, Merkel maintains links with Russia when it suits Germany (whether it undermines the G7 position or not).

    Trump is treating his fellow G7 leaders in public, as they treat each other in private.

    I thought his comment about making the G7 a free trade area was much cleverer. I think it a shame he distracted from it.

    .

  30. There’s an argument for keeping Russia on the top table because whether they’re one of the biggest economies or not, they are one of the militarily most powerful, and a country you want to keep (to some degree) on side. Or at least, feeling as if they are, and feeling as if they’ve got something to lose if they misbehave.

    However, I doubt Trump expected the suggestion to be taken seriously. My guess would be that it’s a case of “showing public support” in exchange for cooperation elsewhere; but on a topic chosen so that it will be words only, nothing material, since Russia isn’t in the G7 by definition. It’s a bit of empty diplomacy, aiming to keep relations open with Russia, give them something for them to feed their media headlines, but not give anything up more significant. The other G7 nations can be trusted to say “no”, and that makes it Russia and the US against the others, which allows Trump to take a stronger negotiating position.

    It’s all speculation. But it didn’t strike me as anything extraordinary for diplomatic flim flam.

    I agree that the free trade comments were very interesting! I’d long been disappointed that he seemed intent on reviving protectionist trade barriers and starting trade wars. Comments like this strongly suggest that this was another case of taking a negotiating position. Having spent the past year shouting at him that tariffs and trade barriers are bad, because of the protectionist position he took, what’s their argument going to be against dropping them all??

    Either it shuts them up, which would count locally as a minor political victory, or it could result in a big move towards global free trade, which would write Trump’s name in history! He offers to drop his tariffs if the G7 (and others maybe) drop theirs. If they refuse, Trump blames the results of his trade wars on them.

    We live in interesting times.

  31. “I suspect a lot of the things Trump says and does are bargaining positions, that he can then be argued out of in exchange for something of more value. It’s a very old strategy.”

    He seems to be about the only politician who understands this rather basic concept.

  32. “Rightwing social media call for war. As insurrection spreads, Trump commands the armed forces to side with the “patriots.””

    What’s the down side?

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