How hypocritical can Jessica Valenti get?

Republicans are very worried about “civility” these days. They’re mad that the Department of Homeland Security secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen, was forced to leave a Washington DC restaurant after being confronted by protesters, upset that Stephen Miller was called a fascist when the White House adviser was eating Mexican food, and horrified that the press secretary, Sarah Sanders, was asked to leave a Virginia restaurant by the establishment’s owner. Some young Trump supporters in DC are even down in the dumps that they can’t seem to get a date.

We’re told that the left is being intolerant at best, and at worst – as one Fox News contributor put it – a “mob” that is “approaching near anarchy”.

They haven’t seemed to consider the simplest answer: that when you do and defend terrible things, people don’t really want to be around you.

This is from the columnist who insists that calling her a silly cow is misogyny of such a high order that there are no comments allowed upon her Guardian pieces.

Is it mansplainin’ to point out that the sticks and stones rubric works the other way around?

28 comments on “How hypocritical can Jessica Valenti get?

  1. ‘when you do and defend terrible things’

    Evidence of such not required.

    Democrats are Nazis: Fascists who demonize their opposition.

    Democracy is dead. When one side won’t accept the results of an election, you don’t have democracy.

  2. ‘Sarah Sanders is the latest official to learn that there is a price to pay for enabling Trump’s cruel policies’

    ‘If you’re responsible for the jailing of Latino toddlers, you do not have the right to enjoy Mexican food free from protest. If you are defending internment camps where children are leaving with bedbug bites, lice and irreparable emotional trauma,’

    The Left believes their own press releases. Nothing has changed at the border. What has changed is who is president. What Obama did was fine; Trump not changing what Obama administration did is evil.

    Funny how that works.

  3. @Gamecock

    It’s not questioning the election result when Democrats do it.

    Remember all the hoo-haa in 2016 when Trump reserved the right to question the result? ‘It’s the end of democracy’, ‘we do not do thing like that in America’, ‘it’s not who we are’, etc., etc., ad nauseam. Hillary being the most vociferous; yet she has spent the past 19 months bleating about it.

    Donald J. Trump’s suggestions that he might reject the results of the American election as illegitimate have unnerved scholars on democratic decline, who say his language echoes that of dictators who seize power by force and firebrand populists who weaken democracy for personal gain.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/23/world/americas/donald-trump-rigged-election.html

    America has taken leave of its senses, assuming it had any in the first place.

  4. Protesting someone being in a public place isn’t “not wanting to be around someone” but harassment

  5. What Shibusa said.

    If all the other diners had got up and left, fair enough. They went there deliberately to harass. And if they keep it up, the police or Secret Service are going to have to shoot someone before long.

  6. America has taken leave of its senses, assuming it had any in the first place.

    Not all of America.

    This sort of shit wouldn’t fly in places like Central Ohio. Not at all. There are no little woke cunts causing trouble around here, because around here, men tend to stop people from harassing women in public. And often they do it rather forcefully.

    Civility isn’t dead, it’s just absent in places where progressives are. Thing is, progressives don’t venture out into the Red State Midwest all that much. Dumb as they are, even they know that if they tried harassing a woman in public in the Midwest, there’s an excellent chance they’d end up bruised, battered and with a gun in their face. After all, we’re bitter clingers, and one of the things we cling to are our guns.

  7. It is a measure of just how out of touch with reality the Valentis of the world are that they fully approve of this sort of thing.

    It is now late June, the mid-term elections are in November, and as of this moment the face of the Democratic Party is Maxine Waters and the message of the Democratic Party is violence.

    I have no doubt Valenti will be shocked and surprised when the Blue Wave failed to hit the beach in November.

  8. And if they keep it up, the police or Secret Service are going to have to shoot someone before long.

    Actually, when that time comes, and I’m afraid it will, the shots will come from an armed civilian. The only question in my mind is whether it will be fired by a individual intent on harassing or an individual being harassed.

  9. “people don’t really want to be around you.”

    But that’s not really what happened here, is it? “People” did not avoid their harassment targets. They converged on them.

    If you are seeking out others to harass and threaten them because their political beliefs differ from yours – – – YOU are the Nazi.

  10. I can’t believe you’ve missed the most important point.

    Valenti is right and on the right side, therefore ‘silly cow’ is plainly offensive and unwarranted. Trump supporters and staffers and clearly wrong and on the wrong side and are fair game…

  11. Well, presumably some restaurants can make a nice little niche for themselves by being welcoming to administration staffers.

    On the other hand, Mr Worstall has written of the merits of the Danish taxation system whereby most taxes are levied and services provided at the local living, meaning the local government officials are more likely to come into daily contact with their constituents and face their ire should they annoy them.

    In the case of Sanders being asked to lave the Red Hen restaurant, I assume the owner probably broke the law by refusing to serve her, but she was calm about it. Sanders was polite enough in return, though there is some fussing about her using her government account to tweet afterwards.

    But how opposed are we really to someone letting a government official know that you think they are a turkey and would just as soon they go away?

    And is it really a one way street? I don’t doubt there are plenty of redneck bars in Texas that would have told Hillary to scram.

  12. “How hypocritical can Jessica Valenti get?”

    Isn’t this like asking how big space is?

  13. So restaurant owners can pick and choose who to serve but cakemakers can’t. Have I got that right?

    The right to freedom of association was revoked in 1964 with the Civil Rights Act, one of the facets of freedom of association that was picked up as being particularly toxic being the right of restaurant owners to exclude black people from their establishments.

    If the Democrats want to bring back the right to freedom of association, I won’t complain, but it might be advisable for them to think through the consequences.

  14. Recusant. Presumably Ms Sanders could choose to sue the Red Hen if she chooses. One the other hand, it might not be as fun as it sounds.

  15. “If the Democrats want to bring back the right to freedom of association, I won’t complain, but it might be advisable for them to think through the consequences.”

    If your implication is that we will then return to a situation where restaurant owners routinely exclude black people, I don’t think is going to be a vote winner for non-Democrats…

  16. @ Recusant
    Pubs in the UK can refuse to serve customers without giving a reason to avoid arguments about how drunk and/or obnoxious a customer is that might last well past closing time. Doubtless the ECJ will find an excuse to make that illegal sooner or later. NB The cake-makers were not objecting to the customer, just the cake

  17. @ The Pedant-General
    That of course is the reason why Democrats woulkd want to bring it back – so that they could label all Republicans as racists.
    Those of us old enough to remember Ike and JFK know that it was the Democrats who were racist and the Republicans who were integrationist. It seems that Ms Valenti has never read “To Kill a Mockingbird”

  18. And yet Starbucks shuts their entire chain for an afternoon to do diversity and sensitivity training because a manager asked 2 non-customers to leave
    Going to be interesting when the Trump administration person harassed is gay/black/disabled/some other minority group

  19. For double standards try looking for the article that says the surfacing of a newspaper editorial from 15 years ago where Trudeau is accused of groping a journalist at a concert is definitely categorically not a metoo moment, it’s totally different and it’s only being brought up by nasty right wingers trying to score political points anyway, they even go so far to say it might be made up, lots of references to not being able to confirm things and ‘discrepancies’

  20. john 77 said:
    “Pubs in the UK can refuse to serve customers without giving a reason … Doubtless the ECJ will find an excuse to make that illegal sooner or later.”

    Hasn’t there already been a case in the last year; from vague memory a group of gypsies asked to leave?

    Ah, here we are:
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/881883/Discrimination-Irish-traveller-awarded-1-500-after-pub-would-not-serve-him

    Seems it’s been going on for a while:
    https://www.hospitalitylaw.co.uk/large-awards-for-travellers-refused-entry-to-pubs/

  21. @ RichardT
    So she was fined £1,500 *for giving a reason*. If she had just said “Bill, Jim, Tommy! This man is harrassing me, please escort him off the premises” she’d have been within the letter of the law. The Licensed Victuallers Association should advise members *never* to give a reason for refusing to serve someone unless it’s “you’ve had enough”

  22. “NB The cake-makers were not objecting to the customer, just the cake”
    I believe that is true. However, that isn’t what the judge said. Which means:
    1) the case has been meaningless in setting a precedent.
    2) the judge is an idiot at best.
    Maybe the appeal will make more sense of the matter.

  23. @john77

    Spot on with ” *never* to give a reason for refusing ” other than “not wanted on our premises”

    Applies to all licensed premises; licensee or his agent may refuse/bar entry to anyone or order them to leave premises.

    Rather difficult and unfair for plod/court/licensing-authority to hold licensee responsible for customer behaviour if not authorised to remove.

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