Official insistence that people are idiots

Coffee shops can be as unhealthy as fast food chains and use misleading names to make their food seem less calorific, according to the Government’s top nutritionist.

Muffins with names such as “lemon and poppy seed” mislead customers into believing they are healthy and should come with bigger calorie content signs, Dr Alison Tedstone has suggested.

She said that while consumers understand that the main products in fast food chains can be highly calorific, in coffee shops “often you’ve got no idea”.

Why actually have democracy if people are too stupid to understand that muffins might have a calorie or three hundred in them?

This is logically true too. The stupider they think we are the less reason there is for a democracy in which we get to choose who they are, no?

33 comments on “Official insistence that people are idiots

  1. Why actually have a democracy in which “the Government’s top nutritionist” is stupid enough to think people need labels on food to be able to control their weight, or that the labels on food are sufficiently accurate to do so, or that individuals know numerically how many Calories they need to eat anyway?

  2. The primary nonsense is the government employs nutritionists at all. Let alone has a top one. The country is not on rationing* & there’s no requirement to decide what would be the most effective allocation of meat or sugar. There is literally nothing for a nutritionist to do but nag. The Ecksian solution should be implemented forthwith..

    *Be interesting to know if the post is a wartime legacy that’s simply continued because no one’s got around to abolishing it.

  3. People want to be fooled. You hear women joking with each other in the queue, “ooh I’ll get the blueberry muffin, it’s one of my five a day, wink wink”. They’ll just have fewer chips at dinner time to compensate.

    Men are just as bad, telling themselves that the boy racer / midlife crisis car will actually save them money compared to whatever old banger they’re currently driving, because reasons.

  4. “The stupider they think we are the less reason there is for a democracy in which we get to choose who they are, no?”

    I’m sure they’d agree that it would be a better system when they get to do all that choosing, too.

  5. “Why actually have a democracy in which “the Government’s top nutritionist” is stupid enough to think people need labels on food to be able to control their weight, or that the labels on food are sufficiently accurate to do so, or that individuals know numerically how many Calories they need to eat anyway?”

    Because it doesn’t work?

    Also unintended consequences. I can’t find it but Freakonomics one commented that in New York when they insisted that all menus have calories on them they found that poor people were maximising their calorie/$ when purchasing.

    I don’t have a problem with government paying for research in to these things and publishing that research on the basis of “this is the current thinking”, but all too often we find that they were wrong. So forcing restaurants to spend money that may even be counter productive and increases the price I have to pay isn’t something I support.

  6. I don’t think it has anything to do with wanting to be fooled, Andrew M, not in my circles anyway. I think it has more to do with people rejecting the notion, by making a joke about it, that the government should be dishing out nutritional advice, especially advice that the chief nutritionist extracted from their backside rather than scientific literature.

    I’ve never heard anyone claim that their new performance car will save them money. Usually, by the time you’ve reached middle age, you’re passed caring about fuel consumption, if you ever were. I don’t look at fuel consumption when buying a car, just as I don’t drive around looking for the cheapest fuel.

  7. The political scum and their hangers-on make a fucking mess out of every thing they touch.

    Lets see the so-called start a program of bring that to light instead of sucking the dick of nannying control.

    For as always with scum control is their agenda.

  8. Her contempt for you is monumental.

    If they believe you aren’t capable of knowing a muffin is fairly high in calories, the natural next step for them is to believe you aren’t capable of making decisions on important political matters.

    As, in fact, many did say so after the Brexit result.

  9. BiND,
    “Unintended consequences.”

    Yup. When the canteen at one place I worked* colour coded the choices from green through red to black all us stroppy IT bastards loaded up with black label dishes on principle. The trial period was not extended.

    * Standard Telephones and Cables

  10. Ted,

    Fair point, but probably more a case of what all the fools [neo-liberals?] said would happen came to pass.

  11. There is a body of sound nutritional knowledge. You could learn it in a morning. The rest is all fashionable rubbish.

  12. Dearieme, quite, how the hell they stretch it to a degree is beyond me. Presumably they have courses on How to be an obnoxious, interfering busybody.

  13. Right, bis. When I read ‘top nutritionist,’ I cringed, for I knew it meant there was more than one.

    ‘Coffee shops can be as unhealthy as fast food chains’

    Cute little No True Scotsman fallacy. Indeed, it signals that all that follows is BS.

  14. “Her contempt for you is monumental.”

    But, but…she cares! Competitively. And for a living. At our expense.

  15. “names such as “lemon and poppy seed” mislead customers”

    Do they not contain lemon and poppy seeds then?

    “Coffee shops can be as unhealthy as fast food chains”

    Coffee shops can be as dangerous as chemical works, if you order an extra hot black Americano and then pour it in your eye.

  16. “Muffins with names such as “lemon and poppy seed” mislead customers into believing they are healthy . . . ”

    Couple things here.

    1. How? How do they mislead? I read the article and the closest to an explanation is ‘they contain ingredients usually associated with healthy food’. Why would lemon and poppy seeds (or pumpkin seeds) be associated with healthy foods?

    2. None of these things are inherently unhealthy. If I have a low-sugar or low-calorie diet then having a big old fatpill isn’t going to hurt me at all. Its the *diets* that are unhealthy, not the foods that compose them.

    ‘joe public’ knows this. That’s why they don’t listen to you.

    Also, seriously editors? You missed this? What are you paid for again?

    “joe public”

  17. Also, why, in 2018, could you not look this stuff up online? You can at least make a good approximation – that pre-packaged muffin in the coffee shop is going to be as full of sugar as the one in the vending machine. They’re probably sourced from the same company, just packaged differently.

    Also, who in the hell *ever* thought that you got ‘health’ food from a frickin’ coffee shop. Not even the ‘quaint little cafes in Italy you discovered on your gap year’ ever served ‘healthy’ snacks alongside the espresso.

  18. “Bloke in Wales
    September 15, 2018 at 6:27 pm

    if you order an extra hot black Americano

    Is that like ordering an extra hot latino?”

    Its like ordering an extra hot latina, then making her dye her hair blonde, stay out of the sun, and put in blue contacts – what was the point?

  19. If I buy a poppy seed anything it’s because I like the taste of poppy seeds, nothing to do with healthy or calories.

    Dr Alison Tedstone should open a coffee shop in a green grocer’s [sic] and see if it’s wanted instead of moaning & nannying.

  20. It seems to me that most of my calorific intake in middle age consists of various forms of alcohol, chiefly beer.

    If the number of bars and pubs in Birmingham is anything to go by, then the health fascists can put every restaurant and fast food place out if business and it still wouldn’t make a difference to waistlines.

  21. Dr Alison Tedstone is a lying sack of shite, suggesting that foods are ‘healthy’ or ‘unhealthy.’

    Food is food. Dr Tedstone, Chief Nutritionist at Public Health England, should know that. She should be summarily discharged for bringing public embarrassment to PHE.

    Oh . . . wait . . . PHE never gets embarrassed? Dr Tedstone can say whatever she wants to, and it doesn’t matter?

    Never mind.

  22. Latest from PHE:

    Kellogg’s All-Bran, Bran Flakes and Special K to be classed as evil junk food and ads on children’s TV banned

    Absolute lunacy – I eat All-Bran & Bran Flakes (since <7) because I need to,

  23. Kellogg’s All-Food, Bran Food, and Special Food are . . . food.

    Dr Tedstone should be shaken and told that all problems she perceives are with PEOPLE, not food.

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