Sweet

Sir Gregory is currently the Master of Trinity College, Cambridge, which has now has produced 33 Nobel Prize winners — three more than Sweden. If it were a country, it would be ranked just after France, at number five in the rankings.

40 comments on “Sweet

  1. Totally unacceptable skewing by the patriarchy. The Nobel prize allocators must be removed immediately and re-educated, so that appropriately woke prize assignments can be made.

    Of course, had it been Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, all would be OK.

  2. The Nobel prize for economics is announced next Monday.

    I am sure that a certain Ely based self-proclaimed economics guru will wake up with an anticipatory thrill that morning.

  3. Surely can’t be long before this demonstrably elitist, racist and sexist body is subject to intense pressure to issue gender and culturally appropriate Nobel prizes with suitably amended criteria to qualify.

    AndrewC

    A Nobel is one of the many things on Murph’s bucket list. He also has a posthumous wish for a blue plaque to be affixed to the wall of that unimpressive end terrace to record his one time residence there.

  4. I once gave German friend a tour of Cambridge and mentioned Trinity’s achievement on the Nobel front. He sighed and said, “But most of those Nobel Prize winners were not British!”

  5. @TJ

    “Can we nominate him for an Ignoble prize…”

    No. The Igs are for research that makes you laugh and then makes you think, but not if the thinking is “what a twat”.

  6. Heh, you reckon Trinity “produced” Niels Bohr? I don’t think a year there, a rather unsuccessful year at that, makes him a product of Trinity.

    Gifted graduates go to Trinity, no doubt of that. Being wealthy, prestigious and having the best staff does that. You get to continue to hire the best.

    But they’re not all “products” of Trinity — it’s like saying Man City has the best player development program based on its field success and the number of its players who represent their countries. I think the club’s deep pockets is rather more relevant (though playing alongside other great players is also undoubtedly a draw too).

    Mind you, the present fellow does actually qualify as entirely one of Trinity’s.

  7. @ Theophrastus
    Trinity is a magnet for brilliance from around the whole world, not just England (the cleverest Scot I knew at school made a policy decision to go to St. Andrew’s instead).
    It is the ratio of Nobel Prize winners to all those attending Trinity since the Nobel Prize was established – not their nationality – that is significant.
    Wki has a list of Nobel Prize winners by country with lots and lots of them annotated “born somewhere else”.
    Your German friend had a good point – that the UK, as a whole, does not match up to Oxbridge in intellectual standards. The follow-up from that is another question.

  8. “Theophrastus

    I once gave German friend a tour of Cambridge and mentioned Trinity’s achievement on the Nobel front. He sighed and said, “But most of those Nobel Prize winners were not British!””

    I could have put him down with the witty response;

    “Fuck off, Jerry, who won the war?”

  9. “I could have put him down with the witty response; “Fuck off, Jerry, who won the war?””

    Jerry: “The Americans.”

    🙂

  10. @ NiV
    The Yanks only joined in WW2 after the Germans no longer had a chance of winning. Pearl Harbour was after Britain had (with Poliosh help) won the Battle of Britain and Hitler had invaded Russia
    If you look at military strength in 1939 the British Empire and Commonwealth came top, closely followed by Germany, with the USA far behind.

  11. @NiV

    What is it with you SJWs, always trying to downplay the role of Britain in history?

    No Britain, no second front. It was a team effort. UK, USA, USSR. Why not take pride in that? The UK had a pivotal role. Almost like you’re embarrassed by the RAF flattening Dresden, Hamburg and Berlin.

    It’s bizarre that most Germans would accept the UK’s role in crushing them but there are Brits too sqeamish to be proud of it.

  12. It is obvious that Nobel is actually short for Neoliberal and as a result all its “laureates” ( laurels of course only beibg given to men) should be immediately no platformed.

  13. I get pissed off with the claim that the Russians won WW2 and we and the USA were just an adjunct.

    Russia had a pact with Germany and that gave Hitler the opportunity to Blitzkreig the west. They only became our allies once Hitler betrayed them (probably before they betrayed him) and that was on the basis of our enemy’s enemy being our friend.

    Furthermore, the USA provided a massive amount of supplies (depending on your source the amount varies):

    Lend-Lease provided the soviets with 400,000 jeeps, 12,000 armoured vehicles, 11,400 aircraft and 1.75 million tons of food (wiki) through three corridors. The arctic convoy, the pacific convoy, and the Persian convoy routes. It’s estimated that 27% of the supplies came through the Persian route, which could sustain 60 front line divisions (http://www.history.army.mil/book…). Doing some simple calculations, we see that all supplies provided by the US could sustain 222 divisions of the Soviet Union over the four years of lend-lease.

    By comparison, by late 1941 the soviets fielded 401 divisions (wiki). By the end of the war, there were 550 divisions (Mark L Urban, Soviet Land Power). So, lend-lease could have supplied between 40-55% of soviet forces at varying times in the war. Of course, not all the supplies were used for active forces, and a significant portion of food was diverted to relieve the siege of Leningrad (today St. Petersburg).

    Furthermore 1000’s or Brits, Americans and other nationalities died keeping those supply routes open and creating diversionary fronts.

    Yes, millions of Russians died, but they certainly weren’t doing it for our benefit and many of those were shot in the back by their own commissars.

  14. BiND

    Not to mention that we and the US fought the Japanese at the same time, which the USSR couldn’t be bothered to do until a couple of weeks before the A bomb was dropped.

    And the USSR did bugger all bombing and not a lot at sea.

    Most of the USSR tactics were based around hoping the Germans would run out of bullets before the USSR ran out of peasants.

  15. 7/8s of German division months were in the East. For Germany, WWII was between the Soviets and the Germans. The Soviets were helped by the Western Allies, but they won the war. Ask any German.

    The Americans, British and Commonwealth countries defeated the Italians and Japanese. And helped the Soviets.

  16. @ Gamecock
    I presume you mean “ask any East German” brought up on a diet of pro-Soviet propaganda. The Russian Air Force didn’t do much to defeat the Luftwaffe, the Russian navy did zilch, the Russians didn’t fight the Germans in Africa, they didn’t fight the Japanese at all.
    WW2 was between the British and the Axis powers from the fall of France until Hitler invaded Russia.

  17. John77, after the fall of France, the war was rather quiet apart from North African sideshows. Hitler had won.

    Then he invaded Russia. And declared war on the USA.

  18. “Most of the USSR tactics were based around hoping the Germans would run out of bullets before the USSR ran out of peasants.”

    By January, 1943, the Soviets were toying with the Germans. The German set piece attack on the Kursk Salient was a joke to the Soviets. They had entire armies – plural – in reserve, waiting for the German offensive to slow.

    In summer 1944, as the Western Allies slogged it across northern France, the Soviets camped outside Warsaw, only a few hundred miles from Germany.

    Germany got into a war of attrition with a country that was vastly larger than them.

    But they had their chances. If Hitler had overruled Boch and Guderian, and prevented the Moscow attack in December, 1941, they would have been in excellent position in the Spring of 1942. An attack to the southeast into the Caucasus to cut off Soviet oil supplies from Baku may have been fatal. Another chance came when the generals failed to convince Hitler that his attack on Stalingrad was politics, and a strategic blunder. Perhaps Hitler still thought he was going to win the war, and could afford such a gamble.

    In the end, I’m embarrassed that we allied with the Soviets. Just as evil as the Nazis, yet more barbaric.

  19. “In summer 1944, as the Western Allies slogged it across northern France, the Soviets camped outside Warsaw, only a few hundred miles from Germany.”

    Eh? After the Normandy breakout the Western Allies swept across northern France faster than their logistics could reliably support, and were in Germany by mid September. The Soviets were still camped outside Warsaw at the start of 1945.

  20. @ Gamecock “In the end, I’m embarrassed that we allied with the Soviets. Just as evil as the Nazis, yet more barbaric”

    Indeed.

    Fascism rightly has left a stain on human history and yet communism, just as evil, just as totalitarian, just a destructive seems to have been given a free pass. It’s perhaps the Left’s greatest propaganda trick.

    Both put the state before the individual, as today does socialism. Somehow aligning a party that actually called itself National Socialists as right wing has to be the Left’s other great propaganda trick.

  21. “Diogenes

    John77, after the fall of France, the war was rather quiet apart from North African sideshows.”

    Apart from the RAF handing the Luftwaffe the first big kicking it had received and the Royal Navy effectively ending any German aspirations to mount a surface campaign.

  22. “What is it with you SJWs, always trying to downplay the role of Britain in history?”

    Do you really think your colleague Jerry was an SJW?


    PS. Hint for those born with no sense of irony – it was obviously a joke. You had expressed pride in the victory of England over the rest of the world in Nobels, your German colleague pointed out that most of those victories had been won with foreign assistance, and you responded with “Who won the war?” The set-up was just too perfect, and I couldn’t resist giving Jerry’s obvious punchline. Who says the Germans have no sense of humour?

    I also thought, with both Limeys and Septics here (and one for Stalin, it turns out), it might restart the post-war war over who takes credit, which could be entertaining. Well, at least that bit worked! 🙂

  23. Back to Nobel prizes: Germany won far fewer of these after they kicked the Jews out.
    The countries they went to saw an increase in prizes won.

    Anyway, it’s a futile comparison. Most seem to be collaborative efforts by teams from various places, gathering at the centres of excellence for the discipline.

  24. Could an argument be made that Germany won the peace thanks to America?

    It was deliberate US policy, thanks to the “special relationship” that the UK has with the UK.

  25. ”Could an argument be made that Germany won the peace thanks to America?”

    I think Germany (in the sense of existing as a nation) was saved by the cold war. If Russia had been a normal ally (as per France) rather than the new, bigger enemy, then I’ve little doubt that Germany would have been split up and deindustrialised. Everyone, including the Americans, was initially unsympathetic to the Germans. But it didn’t take long for the political requirement of the need for success for each new ideoligal part.

    Plus, of course, the British chose socialism and the Germans chose free markets. It didn’t take long for a devastated Germany to overtake.

  26. @ Jonathan
    With more diversity the answer is NIL. Trinity specialises in brilliance, not race. As Jerry said “many of them were not British” and brilliant foreigners are presented with more alternative choices (Heidelburg, Harvard, Yale, MIT, Berkeley, Florence, Moscow …) while the English just have Oxford (Imperial for Engineers), the Scots have St Andrew’s and the Irish have TCD. So you must expect most of Trinity’s Nobel prize-winners to be British.
    If there was a Nobel Prize for Mathematics, Trinity might still beat France …
    Without the specialisation in brilliance they would not be able to foster the rapid learning that enables their geniuses to reach the limits of previous knowledge within an academic lifetime as the teacher would have to keep stopping to help the slower guys/gals. When I was young every ultra-clever boy mathematician wanted to get a scholarship to Trinity (unfortunately their exam clashed with the entrance exam to my father’s college) so they are *seriously* bright. I’ve met and talked to some of wife’s friends from Trinity and when Charles was discussing one of his maths topics *I* was struggling to follow (not Statistics – a speciality in a subject that I hadn’t covered after my second year, but OTOH the others who also had different specialities didn’t seem to have problems).

  27. @ Theophrastus
    When I was young (a little after the stone age) Heidelberg and St Andrew’s were prestigious. Heidelberg ranks 64th in your link and St Andrew’s comes out at 165th on one scoring system, 21st on another.
    The second genius I met was a Romanian with a PhD from Heidelberg.
    I may be wrong, but I wasn’t joking

  28. There aren’t many German* universities that are equal to a British Russell Group one. In part, this is because they are mainly teaching establishments, with the research activity taking place at one of 100+ Max Planck Institutes (and similar),

    * or many EU unis, for that matter

  29. My father was in PAIFORCE during WWII. He somehow managed, to relieve the tedium, to wangle escort duty on a trainload of vehicles from Tehran up into the Caucuses. He said that when they got there, they shared food and cigarettes with a group of Soviet soldiers until the commissars got wind of it and chased them off at machinegun-point, while the Soviet soldiers quailed. They were our fucking jeeps—badly needed— and the disgusting commies should have been grovelling in gratitude. Instead they acted as if we were doing them a favour. He used to maintain that was all you needed to know about the USSR and the people who ran it.

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